Good read in the Boston Herald about Colts draft success...

[omahacolt]

polians worst pick ever was easily jonathan welsh

sure dammy said he was a 5th round pick. which is true, but we also gave up a 4th the next year to get him. polian compared him to robert mathis hahhahah. that guy was horrible

[Levante]

Originally Posted by BlueStampede

Agreed. He knows what he's doing for the most part and I love what he's done. It's scary to think he could actually do better. I think last year was one of his best drafts yet from top to bottom. I hope we see another like it this year.

I agree Blue... it is scary that we think he can do better.

Last year's draft so far has proven to have been scary good.....

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by BlueStampede

Reading comprehension FTW!

I understood everything you wrote, that doesn't change the fact that by listing those players and saying that they were all "bad picks", you're setting your expectations of 4th-7th rounders FAR too high. 75% of all NFL starters come from the first 3 rounds of the draft. That said, Polian is FAR better than average at producing quality starters from rounds 4-7 and UDFA. If you really think his mid-round drafting is "average" because of a few misses, go take a look at most team's track records in that area of the draft. Unless of course, you define "mid-round" as round 3 only, in which case he's horrible there.

Originally Posted by BlueStampede

The argument began after I commented on someone saying Polian is brilliant in the middle rounds. I contested this by saying he wasn't. I never said the entire drafts were/are failures. Read again.

Over his tenure in Indianapolis, I'd be shocked if the Colts are not at least among the best, if not the best, in the NFL at producing starters from Day 2 and UDFA.

Originally Posted by BlueStampede

I never said the busts from early drafts should still be contributing to today's team. Doesn't change that they were bad picks. Read again.

Every pick is not going to be a hit. That was and is my point. There are only 22 starting spots on a team, and each team usually has about 7-10 draft picks per season. Considering the Colts also get a lot out of UDFA, it's not going to be easy for a draft pick to earn a roster spot at times, let alone compete for a starting job.

Originally Posted by BlueStampede

Your interpretation of contributing and mine are different. Players that saw ample playing time due to lack of talent in front of them doesn't necessarily make them any good. It just means they were better than what we had. Sometimes not saying much at all. A lesser of two evils. Do we not recall the atrocious defenses we put on the field not too long ago?

So the only players that contribute in your mind are the stars? The Peyton Mannings, Marvin Harrisons, Reggie Waynes, Bob Sanderses, and Dwight Freeneys of the world are the only ones who are worthwhile? A guy like Michael Coe blocking a punt, or T.J. Rushing running back a punt for a TD (not to mention playing Dwayne Bowe VERY well when he got a shot against KC) doesn't contribute?

Originally Posted by BlueStampede

And please stop using Jason David as part of your argument? That automatically disqualifies you. Thanks for playing.

He was still a starter for a championship team as a 4th round pick. Yes, he sucked at times (I still remember clearly as day him missing that jam on Chad Johnson in 2005), but what you fail to realize is a great deal of 4th round picks contribute a lot less to their teams than what David contributed to the Colts.

Originally Posted by omahacolt

polians worst pick ever was easily jonathan welsh

sure dammy said he was a 5th round pick. which is true, but we also gave up a 4th the next year to get him. polian compared him to robert mathis hahhahah. that guy was horrible

Sweet Pea was a MUCH worse pick IMO. At least they realized it right away, wasn't he cut the next season?

[BlueStampede]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I understood everything you wrote, that doesn't change the fact that by listing those players and saying that they were all "bad picks", you're setting your expectations of 4th-7th rounders FAR too high. 75% of all NFL starters come from the first 3 rounds of the draft. That said, Polian is FAR better than average at producing quality starters from rounds 4-7 and UDFA. If you really think his mid-round drafting is "average" because of a few misses, go take a look at most team's track records in that area of the draft. Unless of course, you define "mid-round" as round 3 only, in which case he's horrible there.



Over his tenure in Indianapolis, I'd be shocked if the Colts are not at least among the best, if not the best, in the NFL at producing starters from Day 2 and UDFA.



Every pick is not going to be a hit. That was and is my point. There are only 22 starting spots on a team, and each team usually has about 7-10 draft picks per season. Considering the Colts also get a lot out of UDFA, it's not going to be easy for a draft pick to earn a roster spot at times, let alone compete for a starting job.



So the only players that contribute in your mind are the stars? The Peyton Mannings, Marvin Harrisons, Reggie Waynes, Bob Sanderses, and Dwight Freeneys of the world are the only ones who are worthwhile? A guy like Michael Coe blocking a punt, or T.J. Rushing running back a punt for a TD (not to mention playing Dwayne Bowe VERY well when he got a shot against KC) doesn't contribute?



He was still a starter for a championship team as a 4th round pick. Yes, he sucked at times (I still remember clearly as day him missing that jam on Chad Johnson in 2005), but what you fail to realize is a great deal of 4th round picks contribute a lot less to their teams than what David contributed to the Colts.



Sweet Pea was a MUCH worse pick IMO. At least they realized it right away, wasn't he cut the next season?

You still don't get it. I have no interest in furthering this argument.

I'll end by saying:

I LOVE YOU MR. POLIAN AND I'LL HAVE YOUR BABIES IF YOU LET ME!

Originally Posted by Coltsfan in CA

Peyton of course since we all know BB is a dick. He barely even looked at him leaving the field after the AFCCG let only pay for food.

Who's we? Don't lump everyone else in with you unless your sure they want to look stupid also. What difference does it make if he never looked at him. What if he gave him a kiss? Would he be a great guy then? You've never met BB. Never talked to BB and never will. This goes for Dungy,Brady and Manning. You have no idea what kind of guy any of them are you idiot.

[sanders4:21]

BB has a bad outlook on life ever since he was exposed for what he really is. He knows he will never get in the hall now that his cheating has been exposed, so he thinks he has to act like the cum guzzler he is. no point in trying to hide something that obvious.

[Colts*Blue]

Originally Posted by 12281423

Who's we? Don't lump everyone else in with you unless your sure they want to look stupid also. What difference does it make if he never looked at him. What if he gave him a kiss? Would he be a great guy then? You've never met BB. Never talked to BB and never will. This goes for Dungy,Brady and Manning. You have no idea what kind of guy any of them are you idiot.

Does that stop Pats fans from throwing Manning under the bus whenever they feel the urge? Seriously, all fans pass judgement.

For example, people love or they hate Bob Knight. He's one of the winningest coaches of all time, he does amazing things for the IU library, there's never been a hint of recruiting scandal in his history, but he can be the world's biggest dick toward the media and he's a tough guy with his players. So he polarizes opinion.

No one is as one dimensional as a fan can make them seem. That said, BB does act like a most of the time that he's in the public eye. His public behavior makes him pretty easy to hate.

[dogs66]

He's the coach of the Cheatriots! I get irritated just watching their waterboy. I don't care who wears Patsies ****, they all suck. When they leave NE or get out of football, then we can discuss if they are decent people. Until then.........NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Originally Posted by Colts*Blue

Does that stop Pats fans from throwing Manning under the bus whenever they feel the urge? Seriously, all fans pass judgement.

For example, people love or they hate Bob Knight. He's one of the winningest coaches of all time, he does amazing things for the IU library, there's never been a hint of recruiting scandal in his history, but he can be the world's biggest dick toward the media and he's a tough guy with his players. So he polarizes opinion.

No one is as one dimensional as a fan can make them seem. That said, BB does act like a most of the time that he's in the public eye. His public behavior makes him pretty easy to hate.

His public behavior gets very,very exaggerated by non-fans. The comparison with Knight is close but Knight was much worse(publicly). I've read accounts of Knight being a great guy in his personal life. I have seen first hand on a few occasions that BB is very personable and quite funny away from the game. Like Knight he is also very charitable. Your right about the one dimensional view people have. They have no idea one way or the other what these guys and others like them are.

[Colts*Blue]

Originally Posted by 12281423

His public behavior gets very,very exaggerated by non-fans.

That's not unique to BB.

BUT:

We can only judge by what we see and what we see is a guy who leaves his team on the field when they're losing, who won't make eye contact with an opposing coach when he loses, does not even shake hands on occasion when he loses, is an absolute toward the media most of the time, didn't apologize for cheating until several months after it happened and only then apparently because of unflagging attention and demand for it.

I stand by my previous statement. His public behavior makes him easy to hate.

If he didn't behave badly, then no one could exaggerate anything. He's his own worst enemy.