If the Colts Sign Baker

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

If we give up less to get Mayfield than what we got in return for Wentz then it's worth the risk IMO. He had a bad year last year, but he was hurt. Before the shoulder injury he had improved every year despite their organization being a dumpster fire.

Decent argument.

[rcubed]

Per zak keefer

“Mayfield wanting the Colts is just one side of the equation, remember.
More important: Do the Colts want Mayfield?
To date, I haven’t heard anything to suggest they do. It doesn’t mean a deal won’t happen — the Colts’ options are limited, remember — but I see it as unlikely, based on conversations Friday. Over the last few months, the Colts were determined to move on from Wentz, convinced that he wasn’t the right fit as franchise quarterback. It’s hard to see them believing Mayfield would be — even as a stopgap — while they continue to look for their quarterback of the future in the draft.”


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[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Per zak keefer

“Mayfield wanting the Colts is just one side of the equation, remember.
More important: Do the Colts want Mayfield?
To date, I haven’t heard anything to suggest they do. It doesn’t mean a deal won’t happen — the Colts’ options are limited, remember — but I see it as unlikely, based on conversations Friday. Over the last few months, the Colts were determined to move on from Wentz, convinced that he wasn’t the right fit as franchise quarterback. It’s hard to see them believing Mayfield would be — even as a stopgap — while they continue to look for their quarterback of the future in the draft.”


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Yeah, I could see that. Like I've said before if we can get him for less than what we got in return for Wentz then it's worth the risk IMO. The more I think about it the more I don't want us to have a throw away year this year. Especially if it's so we can draft Stroud, since being an OSU guy he'll either suck or get hurt non-stop if we draft him.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Yeah, I could see that. Like I've said before if we can get him for less than what we got in return for Wentz then it's worth the risk IMO. The more I think about it the more I don't want us to have a throw away year this year. Especially if it's so we can draft Stroud, since being an OSU guy he'll either suck or get hurt non-stop if we draft him.

There are more guys than just Stroud. Also seems every year a Qb emerges from the pack like Burrow.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

There are more guys than just Stroud. Also seems every year a Qb emerges from the pack like Burrow.

O'Connel from Purdue will likely go late in the first round of 2023...kid can play!

[IndyNorm]

Maybe it's b/c we're staring down the barrel of a throw away season, but the more I think about it the more I'd like to see us take a chance on Baker as long as the price is right draft pick wise (as mentioned less than what we got for Wentz). Here are some thoughts on his shortcomings:

His inconsistency: A lot of his inconsistency the first 2 years could be chalked up to incompetent coaching staffs. While Gregg Williams seemed to right the ship a bit as the interim after Jackson was fired, Jackson and Kitchens were obviously in way over their heads. How do you think things would have gone if we had canned Clappy halfway through '17 and then brought in Chud as the HC in '18? When the Browns hired a competent coaching staff Mayfield had a really good year in '20. Then in '21 he was playing injured from week 2 on. Also, every QB who has played under Reich has improved, so we have that going for us too.

Drama: For starters it's the Browns, really don't need to say more but I will. Obviously he could have handled things much better, but I'm guessing a lot of the drama was OBJ's fault. OBJ has shown what a giant douche he can be in NYG, and I could definitely see him deciding he wanted out of Cleveland and stirred up all kinds of shit to make that happen sooner rather than later. Again, just guessing on my part, but it's totally plausible.

Contract: Could be wrong, but the fact that Baker specifically wants to come here should give us leverage when it comes to his contract. This should help in either convincing Baker to play out his contract and if he performs then get an extension or extending him to a more team friend incentive driven deal. For the former Ballard has shown that for the most part if you produce and are good in the locker room he'll pay to keep you, so it shouldn't be hard to convince Baker of that. And the Browns are stupid, so maybe Ballard convinces them to eat a portion of his '22 salary to save on his cap hit.

Anyway, just my .02.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

O'Connel from Purdue will likely go late in the first round of 2023...kid can play!

No he wont. Hes tough, but doesnt have the arm talent for the first round

[Puck]

Made it through Sunday No Baker Im good to date

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Per zak keefer

“Mayfield wanting the Colts is just one side of the equation, remember.
More important: Do the Colts want Mayfield?
To date, I haven’t heard anything to suggest they do. It doesn’t mean a deal won’t happen — the Colts’ options are limited, remember — but I see it as unlikely, based on conversations Friday. Over the last few months, the Colts were determined to move on from Wentz, convinced that he wasn’t the right fit as franchise quarterback. It’s hard to see them believing Mayfield would be — even as a stopgap — while they continue to look for their quarterback of the future in the draft.”


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See, now this makes more sense. If the Colts don’t really want him, then they’re not offering much at all for him. Kind of like the Eason situation. They gave him a fourth round grade and he was still there in the 4th, so they drafted him.

I’m guessing Ballard made the best offer he was comfortable making, which isn’t much, and the Browns are holding out for more. Which they’ll probably end up getting.

This seems like the most logical explanation for what’s going on.