The Daniel Jones effect is difficult to quantify

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Pez

Good points, If Jones becomes Jones and we need a backup to step up, I would just rather see what we have in Riley Leonard.

If I was having difficulty doing my job that was paying me $7M a year, I would have a veritable fleet of people and non-people resources helping me fill in the gaps in my skill set. The return on investment is staggering.

With all AR's resources and 3 years to bring them to bear, he has managed a 5-7 record. I don't see where he is entitled to the "benefit-of-the-doubt" that the colts org is granting him.

Where do you get 5-7? He's 8-7.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Where do you get 5-7? He's 8-7.

Might be talking about HOU and TEN from '23 and PIT from '24. He played on 31%, 33%, and 19% of the snaps in those games respectively but they go down as wins for him and not the backup.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Where do you get 5-7? He's 8-7.

8-7 as a starter is correct. 5-7 in games where he's played the most snaps.

The net 3 difference is:

- The Houston win in 2023 where Minshew went 19 for 23 compared to ARs 6 for 10.
- The Tits win in 2023 where Minshew went 11 for 14 compared to ARs 9 for 12.
- The Steelers win in 2024 where Flacco went 16 for 26 and AR was 3 for 4.

8-7 as a starter, sure, but Minshew should get two of those wins and Flacco should get one, that's where I get 5-7.

I don't like the guy, you cant expect me to not use statistics to my advantage.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Pez

8-7 as a starter is correct. 5-7 in games where he's played the most snaps.

The net 3 difference is:

- The Houston win in 2023 where Minshew went 19 for 23 compared to ARs 6 for 10.
- The Tits win in 2023 where Minshew went 11 for 14 compared to ARs 9 for 12.
- The Steelers win in 2024 where Flacco went 16 for 26 and AR was 3 for 4.

8-7 as a starter, sure, but Minshew should get two of those wins and Flacco should get one, that's where I get 5-7.

I don't like the guy, you cant expect me to not use statistics to my advantage.

If AR doesn't play against Houston in 2023, the Colts lose. Yes, he left early, but he left with a 14-0 lead in a game that ended 31-20. Regardless, he's in his age 23 season this year, there's still a lot of time for him to become a good QB.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

If AR doesn't play against Houston in 2023, the Colts lose. Yes, he left early, but he left with a 14-0 lead in a game that ended 31-20. Regardless, he's in his age 23 season this year, there's still a lot of time for him to become a good QB.

You beat me to it. Also, he left the Tits game w/ ~4 minutes left in the 1st half and with a 10-6 lead. Not that Minshew didn't do a good job in relief and deserves a Save, but I don't think you take away the win from AR there either.

Some other thoughts on the discussions in the thread:

Jones was definitely much better in week 1 than I thought he'd be, and I'll eat that crow. Hope he can keep this level of play up. We'll see how he does against a better D where there's now some game film on how Steichen wants to use him.

I'd be shocked if we trade AR, and I don't think we should at this point. We'd only save ~$4M in cap space. Now if Jones proves this year that he should be our guy and we decide to move on from AR in the offseason then so be it (this will save us ~$5M in cap space for '26).

Something else with trading AR is that we'd probably bring in a 3rd QB for emergency QB duties. Not seeing where Bean signed anywhere, so I guess we could just bring him back to at least the PS.

[Dam8610]

Ballard outlined his plan. It's the Smith/Mahomes strategy the Chiefs did. Let's hope it works out as well.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Ballard outlined his plan. It's the Smith/Mahomes strategy the Chiefs did. Let's hope it works out as well.

I hope Ballard has the balls to go through with this, if AR does his part.

[Colts And Orioles]

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(vs. BRONCOS, 9/14)


This was the second consecutive game in which the Colts had 0 punts and 0 turnovers ....... I don't know whether or not that's a record for professional football (1920 - Present.)


As an aside, the Colts did turn the ball over on downs twice today, but that does not fall under the turnover category.

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