Colts draft RB DJ Giddens - Round 5, Pick 151

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

The any is the fact that has already been pointed out to you that JT is right around the league average in fumbles. So now it has also been pointed out to you that Derrick Henry and Edge have inopportune fumbling occurrences.

I also pointed out fumbles by Bettis and AP that were much more inopportune than anything from JT, Edge, or Henry.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

I also pointed out fumbles by Bettis and AP that were much more inopportune than anything from JT, Edge, or Henry.

On this end you are speaking to the choir my friend. On the other end, i fear that your speaking to a narcissist.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

That was actually easier than I thought.

2024 @Pitt - Henry lost a fumble on the opening drive on Balt's side of the field, which Pitt converted to a FG. This spotted the Steelers 3 points in what ended up being an 18-16 win for them over Balt.

Also, if we're pinning the 2020 loss vs. Balt. on JT's 1st quarter fumble then we should pin these Tits losses in 2022 on Henry:

- 36-22 loss to the Jagoffs where he lost 2 fumbles (game that Commish linked)
- 19-14 loss to the Texans where Henry lost a fumble while in FG range, which HOU then converted the TO into a FG




This is highly debatable.




It doesn't get any more obvious and objective than Chaos' earlier post showing that JT has a lower fumble rate than 8 of the 10 greatest RBs of all time.

I acknowledged that he improved his overall fumble rate from college. His fumbles hurt the team, though, as does his piss poor pass pro, as does his inability to improve at the elements of being a RB that aren't running the ball.

By getting caught up on the fumble piece, you're missing the point, which is that JT is a good player who could be great if he was willing to put in the effort. The improved fumble rate even plays into that argument. He got better at a skill when he tried to improve it. So why can't he get better at pass pro or receiving? I feel like the answer is lack of effort, especially with the pass pro, because RB pass pro is pretty much all about effort. It's a learned skill, not an ability which a player can cover a lack of technique up with athletic gifts.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

On this end you are speaking to the choir my friend. On the other end, i fear that your speaking to a narcissist.

That term is almost as overused as gaslighting.

So, for the third time on this thread, yes, JT improved his overall fumble rate from college to the pros, good on him. He also cost the Colts their 2024 season with a completely unforced, boneheaded fumble that was caused by nothing more than arrogance and lack of effort. And that, to me, embodies exactly what JT has been for the Colts since he entered the league: an extremely talented good player who won't put in the effort to become great. It showed up in the fumble against Denver, it shows up in Steichen not trusting him on 3rd downs, and it seems like Giddens was drafted as an eventual JT replacement, but one who can stay on the field on 3rd down.

[Mr. Session]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

How much does JT have to cost the team before you see him as a problem?

You're hilarious.

[Colts And Orioles]

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I was wrong in 2012 when I predicted that Case Keenum would have a longer and more distinguished career than Andrew Luck would.

I was wrong ...... no nuanced rebuttals, no interjections, no asides ...... I was just wrong.

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[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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I was wrong in 2012 when I predicted that Case Keenum would have a longer and more distinguished career than Andrew Luck would.

I was wrong ...... no nuanced rebuttals, no interjections, no asides ...... I was just wrong.

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I was completely wrong about Zach Allen. I thought he'd amount to nothing and wash from the league in 3 years or less. Dude was second team All-Pro last year, and unlike Zaire Franklin, actually earned it.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I was completely wrong about Zach Allen. I thought he'd amount to nothing and wash from the league in 3 years or less. Dude was second team All-Pro last year, and unlike Zaire Franklin, actually earned it.

So, what you're saying is...I was wrong once, but now I have no faults?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

So, what you're saying is...I was wrong once, but now I have no faults?

If you're right as often as you're wrong in talent evaluation, you're likely Hall of Fame caliber, and that's if you have all the information NFL teams have.

I have plenty of faults, but there’s no point in me talking about them to anyone but my therapist. Better to just fix them in every other case.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I acknowledged that he improved his overall fumble rate from college. His fumbles hurt the team, though, as does his piss poor pass pro, as does his inability to improve at the elements of being a RB that aren't running the ball.

By getting caught up on the fumble piece, you're missing the point, which is that JT is a good player who could be great if he was willing to put in the effort. The improved fumble rate even plays into that argument. He got better at a skill when he tried to improve it. So why can't he get better at pass pro or receiving? I feel like the answer is lack of effort, especially with the pass pro, because RB pass pro is pretty much all about effort. It's a learned skill, not an ability which a player can cover a lack of technique up with athletic gifts.

You're preaching to the choir on JT's receiving and pass pro. In fact I'm of the opinion that he has actually regressed as a receiver. Remember when we'd all be pissed off at Wentz for not throwing to JT more?

But I do like to call out BS when I see it, and your insistence that JT has fumbling issues is BS as we've objectively proven.

I have plenty of faults, but there’s no point in me talking about them to anyone but my therapist. Better to just fix them in every other case.

I'm no therapist, but I'm pretty sure that admitting when you're wrong is healthy for you.