Hey Dam

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

And yet your hero advocated for his acquisition in Indy. Go figure.

1) Pagano is not the GM, his job is not talent acquisition.

2) The 2012 Colts were rebuilding, they needed a body to take reps at safety. Zbikowski was essentially a warm body, nothing more.

3) No one in the Colts organization ever thought of Zbikowski as anything more than a placeholder.

You are really reaching for evidence to support your argument and still coming up short.

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

1) Pagano is not the GM, his job is not talent acquisition.

2) The 2012 Colts were rebuilding, they needed a body to take reps at safety. Zbikowski was essentially a warm body, nothing more.

3) No one in the Colts organization ever thought of Zbikowski as anything more than a placeholder.

You are really reaching for evidence to support your argument and still coming up short.

And yet, he advocated and got his guy. And the guy sucked. Badly. Worse than replacement level player would have.

That's the point. Pagano does nothing in particular well.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

And yet, he advocated and got his guy. And the guy sucked. Badly. Worse than replacement level player would have.

That's the point. Pagano does nothing in particular well.

that isn't true


he gives dam boners very well.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

And yet, he advocated and got his guy. And the guy sucked. Badly. Worse than replacement level player would have.

That's the point. Pagano does nothing in particular well.

This is a reach at best.

To sum up your argument: "A bad player, who everyone knew was bad going in, played badly and was released, so that means Pagano is bad at things."

I just don't follow the logic.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

This is a reach at best.

To sum up your argument: "A bad player, who everyone knew was bad going in, played badly and was released, so that means Pagano is bad at things."

I just don't follow the logic.

pagano wanted to bring in a known bad player.

how do you not get this?

[Butter]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

pagano wanted to bring in a known bad player.

how do you not get this?

Does not fit his narrative.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Butter

Does not fit his narrative.

What narrative? That looking at the facts and circumstances behind an outcome is important? Because that's all I've been doing here.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

pagano wanted to bring in a known bad player.

how do you not get this?

It was 2012, they just cut half the roster and had about half the cap in penalties (that last part may be exaggerated slightly, but a good chunk of that team's cap figure was penalties). They weren't expecting to compete and they needed someone to play safety. He was a body that they likely were looking to replace immediately. If you expect every single player the team signs or drafts to be successful, you're going to be disappointed.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

It was 2012, they just cut half the roster and had about half the cap in penalties (that last part may be exaggerated slightly, but a good chunk of that team's cap figure was penalties). They weren't expecting to compete and they needed someone to play safety. He was a body that they likely were looking to replace immediately. If you expect every single player the team signs or drafts to be successful, you're going to be disappointed.

Hahaha you are saying this. About guys to defend pagano. But rip grigson in the same breath.

Holy shit two face

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Hahaha you are saying this. About guys to defend pagano. But rip grigson in the same breath.

Holy shit two face

Your criticism lacks merit. Pagano isn't in talent acquisition, so the only thing we could really be talking about with Zbikowski in relation to Pagano is his development, or lack thereof. That said, they have a saying in the analytical world for this sort of thing: garbage in, garbage out.