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[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Why does Indy media suck so bad at understanding football. Gilmore is a journeyman who wants to win a title. He was a rental. Facyson was not the 2nd best corner, Rogers was. Facyson was bad. This year would have been Rogers, Moore and a rookie starting. Now it’s probably Flowers Moore and a rookie. Yeah they are going young at the position group.

Yannick had inflated numbers, he didn’t move the needle at crunch time. He didn’t apply pressure at key moments. Mostly opportunity sacks. 2nd down in n the middle of the 1st quarter type stuff. The guys from San Fran has much better analytics. Maybe he bombs, but he was a much more effective rusher at part time last year than Yannick was full time. No one has heard of him bc he is from a west coast NFC team.

The line is better with the removal of Pryor. In fact, it started to improve as the year went on after he was removed. That is how bad he was. He should have never been put at LT. Also Kelly has been a mess mentally, Quinton was more hurt than we knew, and they had a rookie on the left side. The rookie has been improving, Quinton is healthy, and hopefully Kelly is mentally healthy. Smith was awful at the beginning of the year, but he recovered and was a top five RT by the end of the year. So that leaves competition at RG. Best man wins.

The WRs were bad bc the QB was bad. Pierce was a rookie. Not much after those two. But downs was a good draft pick and should be a good player.

JT when healthy is one of the top backs in the league. TE has a lot of developing young guys.

So he says worst ever roster. Let’s look at the 2015 colts randomly.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...015_roster.htm

On defense they have Vontae Davis and old Mathis. That’s it, nothing else. There are two all pros and multiple pro bowlers on this defense.

On offense they have old Frank Gore. JT is just slightly better I would say. At WR they have Hilton. Moncrief, Andre Johnson, and Philip Dorsett. That group is awful except for TY. I would take the upside of this group.

There is one big difference that matters though. That teams had Luck and this one has a rookie QB. Otherwise, no, it was better. Indy media is the worst.

On top of all of this Doyel somehow doesn't recognize that maybe we're now building for the long haul instead of tanking. Also, he's flipped his opinion on JT as last week he was 100% behind the Colts not paying him, but now he's super whiney about JT not being on the field.

I do agree with his concern on the OL. Ballard's putting too much trust on the current starters improving/rebuonding and staying healthy.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

On top of all of this Doyel somehow doesn't recognize that maybe we're now building for the long haul instead of tanking. Also, he's flipped his opinion on JT as last week he was 100% behind the Colts not paying him, but now he's super whiney about JT not being on the field.

I do agree with his concern on the OL. Ballard's putting too much trust on the current starters improving/rebuonding and staying healthy.

Yeah so many of them are going back on the "pay a RB notion". All last year they were complaining about the contracts to non-premium positions and they would say "Well you know who is next? Jonathon Taylor, they are going to pay him and you shouldn't do it."

Now they aren't paying him and everyone is making a stink about that. Not to mention the fact he is STILL injured. Who would sign a RB with a mysterious lingering injury like that?

As for the oline thing, I'm ok with it because the line was getting better at the end of the year with Raimann improving and Pryor out of the lineup. Q was really hurt, with him healthy it should be better and with Raimann making a second-year jump. Kelly is still a risk to me, but that seems more mental which he has talked about. I think they are betting on the players returning to form. But we will see, he's made mistakes before.

To me CB is the group that is gonna have a rough season. Too much youth. They are going to get beat a lot. But they should come out better for it. Lots of youth but lots of talent too.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Yeah so many of them are going back on the "pay a RB notion". All last year they were complaining about the contracts to non-premium positions and they would say "Well you know who is next? Jonathon Taylor, they are going to pay him and you shouldn't do it."

Now they aren't paying him and everyone is making a stink about that. Not to mention the fact he is STILL injured. Who would sign a RB with a mysterious lingering injury like that?

As for the oline thing, I'm ok with it because the line was getting better at the end of the year with Raimann improving and Pryor out of the lineup. Q was really hurt, with him healthy it should be better and with Raimann making a second-year jump. Kelly is still a risk to me, but that seems more mental which he has talked about. I think they are betting on the players returning to form. But we will see, he's made mistakes before.

To me CB is the group that is gonna have a rough season. Too much youth. They are going to get beat a lot. But they should come out better for it. Lots of youth but lots of talent too.

To be somewhat fair to JT we have given out a shitload of money to non-premium position players who aren't as good as him. But yeah if he's actually hurt then he can't actually think we'd sign him before proving he's over his injury.

Regarding the OL at the very least we should be concerned with the depth there. If Pinter is back to OC full time then we're probably ok there, but other than that all we really have is a 4th round rookie for OT and a UDFA rookie at OG.

Agree that the CBs are going to struggle. I can see us spending another higher round draft pick on CB in '24.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

To be somewhat fair to JT we have given out a shitload of money to non-premium position players who aren't as good as him. But yeah if he's actually hurt then he can't actually think we'd sign him before proving he's over his injury.

Regarding the OL at the very least we should be concerned with the depth there. If Pinter is back to OC full time then we're probably ok there, but other than that all we really have is a 4th round rookie for OT and a UDFA rookie at OG.

Agree that the CBs are going to struggle. I can see us spending another higher round draft pick on CB in '24.

JT definitely has a point, as I said in another post, I’m not as hard on him as I initially was. It’s not fair to him at all that RBs are a depreciating stock. But his demands are just unrealistic. No team is going to pay him what he wants. Much like the Bell situation his hard ball stance is probably just going to hurt him and he isn’t the weapon Bell was in the passing game. The injury just reinforces the situation against him.

Depth is not great at OL, Dan Skipper is in there offering some experience. Seems they want to develop the draft picks over bringing in a vet to supplant them. I would not be surprised if they added some guys during cut down days.

But the secondary is much more devoid of experience. That will be a sore point all year as we play all those young guys. Lots of potential in that group but it will be rough going for awhile.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

JT definitely has a point, as I said in another post, I’m not as hard on him as I initially was. It’s not fair to him at all that RBs are a depreciating stock. But his demands are just unrealistic. No team is going to pay him what he wants. Much like the Bell situation his hard ball stance is probably just going to hurt him and he isn’t the weapon Bell was in the passing game. The injury just reinforces the situation against him.

Depth is not great at OL, Dan Skipper is in there offering some experience. Seems they want to develop the draft picks over bringing in a vet to supplant them. I would not be surprised if they added some guys during cut down days.

But the secondary is much more devoid of experience. That will be a sore point all year as we play all those young guys. Lots of potential in that group but it will be rough going for awhile.

Like you, I am not down on the guy. I like what he brings to the field. he is one of the few difference makers at the position. That said, he needs to realize the market for his position is not good at all. I think he comes to that realization in a week or three and tries to make the relationship work.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Like you, I am not down on the guy. I like what he brings to the field. he is one of the few difference makers at the position. That said, he needs to realize the market for his position is not good at all. I think he comes to that realization in a week or three and tries to make the relationship work.

Yeah, I actually think they will work it out too. But he needs to realize he isn’t resetting the market. Saquan tried and failed. Dalvin Cook tried and got released. The RB market is dead. If he gets a decent deal I hope he jumps at it bc it probably won’t be much better anywhere else.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Yeah, I actually think they will work it out too. But he needs to realize he isn’t resetting the market. Saquan tried and failed. Dalvin Cook tried and got released. The RB market is dead. If he gets a decent deal I hope he jumps at it bc it probably won’t be much better anywhere else.

The Colts need to put healthy bonuses for yards gained, TDs, pass receiving, ect. Reward him if he has a great year.