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[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

The way a QB's front foot points when he throws a football is an objective data point. Levis's front foot, from a mechanical perspective, points the wrong way when he throws. It is a biomechanical fact. He hasn't played a down in the NFL, but most of the throws he's made in college and at the combine reflects his front foot pointing the wrong way.

Will you stop focusing on only Levis mechanics? Mechanics can be fixed, look at what was done with Jalen Hurts.

My problem with Levis is that he sounds like he thinks he's already a finished product. If that is the case, then Levis issues can't be fixed.

If the Colts draft Levis and he proves humble enough to be coached tough and improve everything about his game, then I'm on board.

Obviously Stroud and Young are the most finished products right now and I think they will be good in the NFL.

I have expressed my preference in Stroud, because he is the safest pick. But that doesn't make me right though, because I haven't talked to these players and figure out who really gets what it takes to become great.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Will you stop focusing on only Levis mechanics? Mechanics can be fixed, look at what was done with Jalen Hurts.

My problem with Levis is that he sounds like he thinks he's already a finished product. If that is the case, then Levis issues can't be fixed.

So he has a pigeon toe and may not be coachable. Is there a QB the Colts have had recently that had those problems? Maybe this guy?

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Will you stop focusing on only Levis mechanics? Mechanics can be fixed, look at what was done with Jalen Hurts.

My problem with Levis is that he sounds like he thinks he's already a finished product. If that is the case, then Levis issues can't be fixed.

If the Colts draft Levis and he proves humble enough to be coached tough and improve everything about his game, then I'm on board.

Obviously Stroud and Young are the most finished products right now and I think they will be good in the NFL.

I have expressed my preference in Stroud, because he is the safest pick. But that doesn't make me right though, because I haven't talked to these players and figure out who really gets what it takes to become great.

The thing you have to realize about Dam (and most of us do) is that whatever he sees or thinks he sees on this film that he watches is in his mind exactly how it's going to play out in the NFL. No one will ever improve or pan out if he thinks they're going to be a bust, and if they do turn out to be a good player it's b/c of the talent around them or that they somehow get lucky every week for an entire season(s). On the other hand if any player who he thinks is going to be good but ends up being a bust then it's entirely the player's team and coaches' fault.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Levis mechanical issues are not just limited to his pigeon toe footwork. He's also at times a heel clicker and JT O' Sullivan also pointed times where he would take a hop step before throwing a pass. Maybe just a poor QB coach, I don't know.

There is not a generational talent in this QB class, and even you know that.

Levis is a mechanical mess. If he's also uncoachable, he's a bust waiting to happen.

As for your other statement, I don't trust the general consensus on QB evaluations. I think Stroud and possibly Young have the potential to be top 5 QBs in the NFL.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I tend to agree with you on this. My question is if Will Anderson is there do you take him and hopefully get your pass rush or do you take a chance on a QB? You need both to have a realistic chance at a title.

If the Colts are at 4 with Stroud, Young, and another player off the board, but Will Anderson on the board, I think it makes sense to draft him. He's got an incredibly high floor and ceiling.

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

The thing you have to realize about Dam (and most of us do) is that whatever he sees or thinks he sees on this film that he watches is exactly how it's going to play out in the NFL. No one will ever improve or pan out if he thinks they're going to be a bust, and if they do turn out to be a good player it's b/c of the talent around them or that they somehow get lucky every week for an entire season(s). On the other hand if any player who he thinks is going to be good but ends up being a bust then it's entirely the player's team and coaches' fault.

Past performance is the best indicator of future results. That's not to say a player can't improve, but why would you bake improvement into their evaluation? You can't guarantee it. Learning a new skillset at a higher level of competition is an incredibly difficult thing to do. Projection is done to determine a player's ceiling. There's a floor, too. Anthony Richardson as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Will Levis as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Bryce Young as is is likely a top 25 starter in the NFL. CJ Stroud as is is likely a top 20 starter in the NFL.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Levis is a mechanical mess. If he's also uncoachable, he's a bust waiting to happen.

As for your other statement, I don't trust the general consensus on QB evaluations. I think Stroud and possibly Young have the potential to be top 5 QBs in the NFL.



If the Colts are at 4 with Stroud, Young, and another player off the board, but Will Anderson on the board, I think it makes sense to draft him. He's got an incredibly high floor and ceiling.



Past performance is the best indicator of future results. That's not to say a player can't improve, but why would you bake improvement into their evaluation? You can't guarantee it. Learning a new skillset at a higher level of competition is an incredibly difficult thing to do. Projection is done to determine a player's ceiling. There's a floor, too. Anthony Richardson as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Will Levis as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Bryce Young as is is likely a top 25 starter in the NFL. CJ Stroud as is is likely a top 20 starter in the NFL.

WTF are Young and Stroud top 5 QB's in the NFL or top 20 to 25 QB's. You have really contradicted yourself here.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

WTF are Young and Stroud top 5 QB's in the NFL or top 20 to 25 QB's. You have really contradicted yourself here.

He's saying with no improvement, those guys rank in the 20's. But with natural improvement he expects them to be top QB's in the league.