Doyel: Reality is setting in on the Colts'

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by rm1369

It amazes me that people believe Reich suddenly forgot how to design / run an offense. Before this season Reich was either a HC or OC for 8 seasons. In 4 of them (50%) his teams were top 9 or better in pts scored. Yet you all believe the issue with the Colts offense is that it was Franks and not the cluster fuck of an OL coupled with a geriatric QB. Claim he had lost the team. Claim he couldn’t motivate them (although that’s a hell of an indictment on Ballard’s supposed culture focus). But claiming the offensive issues lie in the design instead of the OL and QB is fucking retarded.

And I’ll point out after the Raiders game the narrative was Saturday simplified the offense. It was discussed as how much smarter Saturday was than Reich. Now I’m seeing that’s not the case. It’s all back to being Reich - especially as the team is being called out for how simplistic its offense is.

man, you totally missed my point. I was calling out Doyel for thinking we could install a whole new offense in-season. Teams just don't do that.

[CletusPyle]

It is sad to see what this franchise has become. If we had to do it all over again, perhaps we should have kept Peyton, traded the Luck pick for a treasure chest and drafted Ryan Tannehill to play behind Peyton for a few years like Aaron Rodgers did behind Favre. This team would be in much better shape right now!

I know to some of you this is blasphemy, but Luck totally fucked this franchise, I wish we had never drafted him!

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

It is sad to see what this franchise has become. If we had to do it all over again, perhaps we should have kept Peyton, traded the Luck pick for a treasure chest and drafted Ryan Tannehill to play behind Peyton for a few years like Aaron Rodgers did behind Favre. This team would be in much better shape right now!

I know to some of you this is blasphemy, but Luck totally fucked this franchise, I wish we had never drafted him!

It was the right call at the time. Luck was a phenomenal quarterback, but his body was beaten into submission, and he was not willing to put himself at greater risk. i don't blame him, even though we want our modern gladiators to fight to the death.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

It was the right call at the time. Luck was a phenomenal quarterback, but his body was beaten into submission, and he was not willing to put himself at greater risk. i don't blame him, even though we want our modern gladiators to fight to the death.

Doesn't change the fact he fucked our franchise.....I expected plenty of pushback, no worries!

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

Doesn't change the fact he fucked our franchise.....I expected plenty of pushback, no worries!

I was addressing the idea of looking back and wishing for something different. Had anyone known the future, we would have traded the picks. But not knowing the future, it was the right call at the time.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I was addressing the idea of looking back and wishing for something different. Had anyone known the future, we would have traded the picks. But not knowing the future, it was the right call at the time.

It's hard to argue with their decision at the time, but it isn't like there weren't a lot of people that thought we should keep Peyton. I suppose those people could argue it was not the right decision, since it is very likely the Colts win at least one more Super Bowl. I have to be honest, I was in favor of drafting Luck myself, but the franchise has not recovered since he quit right before the season! Maybe if he had quit at the end of the 2018 season it would not have done as much damage?

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

It's hard to argue with their decision at the time, but it isn't like there weren't a lot of people that thought we should keep Peyton. I suppose those people could argue it was not the right decision, since it is very likely the Colts win at least one more Super Bowl. I have to be honest, I was in favor of drafting Luck myself, but the franchise has not recovered since he quit right before the season! Maybe if he had quit at the end of the 2018 season it would not have done as much damage?

I don't recall anyone thinking we could win another SB with Peyton. Especially with all of the question marks concerning his neck. Plus our team was starting to age, and the wheels fell off under Grigson. Maybe if Polian had not let his idiot son take over the direction of the team, but he did.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

It is sad to see what this franchise has become. If we had to do it all over again, perhaps we should have kept Peyton, traded the Luck pick for a treasure chest and drafted Ryan Tannehill to play behind Peyton for a few years like Aaron Rodgers did behind Favre. This team would be in much better shape right now!

I know to some of you this is blasphemy, but Luck totally fucked this franchise, I wish we had never drafted him!

This franchise failed to protect him and failed to teach him to protect himself.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

I know to some of you this is blasphemy, but Luck totally fucked this franchise, I wish we had never drafted him!

I know what you mean. And in hindsight, with the early retirement, you could say that.

Really, though, what fucked us for the long haul was the Grigson/Pagano hires. Grigson was handed 10 picks @ #1 overall in 2012. Got some players there. But beyond that, you could count on one hand the number of good players he drafted in 4 seasons. And Chuck was Chuck. Luck carried both their asses and gave them more credit/time than deserved. They did not build or leave much talent around him and helped shell-shock him into early retirement.

I for one am fairly concerned that Irsay is about to take us down a similar path. The move from a lower energy type HC (Dungy, Caldwell, Reich) to more of a Ra-Ra type (Pagano, Saturday, whoever in the future). And the bigger worry for me is again going from a Polian type (Ballard) to another Grigson type.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

man, you totally missed my point. I was calling out Doyel for thinking we could install a whole new offense in-season. Teams just don't do that.

And I’m pointing out there is no need to install a whole new offense. The offense wasn’t the issue - the players are. A bad OL and a geriatric QB. The OL will likely continue to improve incrementally with Raimann taking his lumps. It’s simplistic based on the scaling down and the inability to throw deep due to the OL and QB - not the scheme.

And I’m curious, if you think the team needs to install a whole new offensive system and that will take time, then WTF was the point of firing Reich? If they need a new system AND can’t install it quickly then how do they win this season? Are you admitting that firing Reich was giving up on this season?

Regardless what is it you want the local media to write? What the fuck is the positive they should focus on? You want fluff pieces saying how Saturday is a coaching genius at 1-2? How the hiring of a coach with no experience and an OC with no experience straight out of high school are the wave of the future? This is a poorly constructed team, playing poorly, coached by talented yet inexperienced people, and ran by a guy meddling more and more. It’s a shit show and the coverage should be exactly that. Doyle’s job isn’t to provide positive PR for the team, it’s to accurately cover them. The piece seemed pretty accurate to me.