Analytics- Ryan V Wentz

[nate505]

I went from being completely "meh" on the Ryan signing at first to being downright thrilled that he's here. Mostly because I thought at the time he was over the hill, but now I believe he's not as over the hill as I perceived him to be.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by nate505

I went from being completely "meh" on the Ryan signing at first to being downright thrilled that he's here. Mostly because I thought at the time he was over the hill, but now I believe he's not as over the hill as I perceived him to be.

This isn't like signing Rivers, who never had an arm to begin with. Ryan has also never had an injury history, so there is plenty of tread left on the tires.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

This isn't like signing Rivers, who never had an arm to begin with. Ryan has also never had an injury history, so there is plenty of tread left on the tires.

People like to bring up the comparison with Rivers to the Colts in 2020, which is understandable. But I keep looking more to an example like Manning to Denver in 2012.

Manning turned 36 in March before the 2012 season (Ryan just turned 37). He wasn't the same athlete he was in IND, but even with his age and neck/nerve issue, he had plenty in the tank to lead roster that was just missing a QB (and the offense was stellar for three seasons).

Denver's D was solid and the offense had some guys that didn't explode onto the scene until Manning arrived. Demaryius Thomas was a third-year guy with a career high of 551yds and Eric Decker was a third-year guy with a career high of 612yds. They had 1400+ and 1000+ respectively in 2012.

I'm not claiming Ryan is as good as Manning or that we have a Thomas-Decker tandem or claiming any other 1:1 comparisons with those teams... I'm just saying there are some similarities. There's no reason to think Ryan is old/broken and can't make an exponential difference for individual players and the team as a whole.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

People like to bring up the comparison with Rivers to the Colts in 2020, which is understandable. But I keep looking more to an example like Manning to Denver in 2012.

Manning turned 36 in March before the 2012 season (Ryan just turned 37). He wasn't the same athlete he was in IND, but even with his age and neck/nerve issue, he had plenty in the tank to lead roster that was just missing a QB (and the offense was stellar for three seasons).

Denver's D was solid and the offense had some guys that didn't explode onto the scene until Manning arrived. Demaryius Thomas was a third-year guy with a career high of 551yds and Eric Decker was a third-year guy with a career high of 612yds. They had 1400+ and 1000+ respectively in 2012.

I'm not claiming Ryan is as good as Manning or that we have a Thomas-Decker tandem or claiming any other 1:1 comparisons with those teams... I'm just saying there are some similarities. There's no reason to think Ryan is old/broken and can't make an exponential difference for individual players and the team as a whole.

IF the O line stays relatively healthy, the run game will make it hard to double any one receiver. Plus, the running backs need to be targeted early and often. Ryan has a history of distributing the ball to the open guy.

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

People like to bring up the comparison with Rivers to the Colts in 2020, which is understandable. But I keep looking more to an example like Manning to Denver in 2012.

Manning turned 36 in March before the 2012 season (Ryan just turned 37). He wasn't the same athlete he was in IND, but even with his age and neck/nerve issue, he had plenty in the tank to lead roster that was just missing a QB (and the offense was stellar for three seasons).

Denver's D was solid and the offense had some guys that didn't explode onto the scene until Manning arrived. Demaryius Thomas was a third-year guy with a career high of 551yds and Eric Decker was a third-year guy with a career high of 612yds. They had 1400+ and 1000+ respectively in 2012.

I'm not claiming Ryan is as good as Manning or that we have a Thomas-Decker tandem or claiming any other 1:1 comparisons with those teams... I'm just saying there are some similarities. There's no reason to think Ryan is old/broken and can't make an exponential difference for individual players and the team as a whole.

Manning also went 1-1 in Super Bowls with the Donkeys!
I will be extremely ecstatic if Ryan went 1-1 in Super Bowls with the Colts! Of course it would be orgasmic if he went 2-0, or 3-0. Hey a guy can dream....

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

People like to bring up the comparison with Rivers to the Colts in 2020, which is understandable. But I keep looking more to an example like Manning to Denver in 2012.

Manning turned 36 in March before the 2012 season (Ryan just turned 37). He wasn't the same athlete he was in IND, but even with his age and neck/nerve issue, he had plenty in the tank to lead roster that was just missing a QB (and the offense was stellar for three seasons).

Denver's D was solid and the offense had some guys that didn't explode onto the scene until Manning arrived. Demaryius Thomas was a third-year guy with a career high of 551yds and Eric Decker was a third-year guy with a career high of 612yds. They had 1400+ and 1000+ respectively in 2012.

I'm not claiming Ryan is as good as Manning or that we have a Thomas-Decker tandem or claiming any other 1:1 comparisons with those teams... I'm just saying there are some similarities. There's no reason to think Ryan is old/broken and can't make an exponential difference for individual players and the team as a whole.

I agree. But, Ryan has a stronger arm than the 2012 version of Manning.

[Pez]

I am homer-level excited about Ryan as well.

I am really reminded a lot of some of the comments made last year and perhaps the year before, that we really need a QB to "make the layups."

I hope that we are moving forward with the same level of expectation with Matt Ryan. If that's the case, then I think Ryan can certainly fit that bill from a physical perspective, but more importantly from a mental perspective.

I was never on board with Rivers on 2020, and all of us knew 3-4 weeks in that Wentz was not the guy in 2021. From what I think this team should expect from it's QB, Ryan can fit the bill for years.

[Ironshaft]

Originally Posted by Pez

I am homer-level excited about Ryan as well.

I am really reminded a lot of some of the comments made last year and perhaps the year before, that we really need a QB to "make the layups."

I hope that we are moving forward with the same level of expectation with Matt Ryan. If that's the case, then I think Ryan can certainly fit that bill from a physical perspective, but more importantly from a mental perspective.

I was never on board with Rivers on 2020, and all of us knew 3-4 weeks in that Wentz was not the guy in 2021. From what I think this team should expect from it's QB, Ryan can fit the bill for years.

I am not trying to sound smart but I went to Training Camp last year with my 19-year-old son and after seeing Wentz throw about ten passes in helmet and shells and plain miss two of his throws and under-throw/overthrow a couple of more, I turned to him and said "he is not the guy."

There is just something missing from Carson Wentz that the great QBs have.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Ironshaft

I am not trying to sound smart but I went to Training Camp last year with my 19-year-old son and after seeing Wentz throw about ten passes in helmet and shells and plain miss two of his throws and under-throw/overthrow a couple of more, I turned to him and said "he is not the guy."

There is just something missing from Carson Wentz that the great QBs have.

You saw it long before my blue tinted glasses let me see it. Just watching him hold the ball for soooo long and knowing that this is not how our offense is supposed to work. But but but it will be fine he missed camp, he missed preseason, Frank will set it right...

In the end, it took Jonathan Taylor to get us in a position to make the playoffs after 1-4 start, it just wasnt quite enough to protect us from Carson Wentz.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Ironshaft

I am not trying to sound smart but I went to Training Camp last year with my 19-year-old son and after seeing Wentz throw about ten passes in helmet and shells and plain miss two of his throws and under-throw/overthrow a couple of more, I turned to him and said "he is not the guy."

There is just something missing from Carson Wentz that the great QBs have.

I had serious doubts about the guy after reading through the eagles boards and Philly articles. I didn’t like his inaccuracy and other red flags, my gut was telling me no. But hey they swung and missed, it happens. Also fans want to be optimistic before a season, so I was hoping my gut was wrong.

I have none of those worries with Ryan. I think it was one of the best moves of the off-season.