Jamal Adams requesting trade away from Jets

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Not interested in Adams. The game is phasing out thumpers. He has two career interceptions. We need more secondary turnovers, not less.

Using INTs to judge pass defense is like using sacks to judge pass rush. It's a good indicator, but also incomplete. Adams also has 25 PDs in 3 years for an average of 9 per year between PDs and INTs. Add in the 6 FFs, 12 sacks, 28 TFL, and 23 QB hits, and Adams seems more like a defensive playmaker than a thumper. To me, that word describes a good run defender who is a liability in pass coverage and offers little else aside from the good run defense. Adams doesn't seem to be that to me.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

They also have a good young QB and have made the playoffs consistently.

Good is debatable, let's see how he does without Hopkins.

[smitty46953]

Landon Collins was supposed to set the market for safeties last year.
When Collins signed a 6 year, $84,000,000 contract with the Washington Redskins, including a $15,000,000 signing bonus, $44,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $14,000,000. Believe he is highest paid safety in league right now. Adams is damn good but not worth $20M per. IMHO

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Using INTs to judge pass defense is like using sacks to judge pass rush. It's a good indicator, but also incomplete. Adams also has 25 PDs in 3 years for an average of 9 per year between PDs and INTs. Add in the 6 FFs, 12 sacks, 28 TFL, and 23 QB hits, and Adams seems more like a defensive playmaker than a thumper. To me, that word describes a good run defender who is a liability in pass coverage and offers little else aside from the good run defense. Adams doesn't seem to be that to me.

Good is debatable, let's see how he does without Hopkins.

Adams has 25 pds and only two int’s. That doesn’t strike you as low for a defensive playmaker? A defensive playmaker who just doesn’t make those defensive plays in the passing game. I consider Derwin James and Fitzpatrick defensive playmakers, guys that make plays at the los and in the backfield. What Adams seems to be is a guy who needs to play close to the los to make plays and is averaging almost a hundred tackles a season. Sacks, pressures, and tfl’s are great but he seems like a thumper to me. Maybe a lb playing safety. He does certain things well, I just don’t see it as what we need at the moment.

Regardless, whether we perceive him as good/overrated a lot of the players and league think he is a promising young QB.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Adams has 25 pds and only two int’s. That doesn’t strike you as low for a defensive playmaker? A defensive playmaker who just doesn’t make those defensive plays in the passing game. I consider Derwin James and Fitzpatrick defensive playmakers, guys that make plays at the los and in the backfield. What Adams seems to be is a guy who needs to play close to the los to make plays and is averaging almost a hundred tackles a season. Sacks, pressures, and tfl’s are great but he seems like a thumper to me.

Regardless, whether we perceive him as good/overrated a lot of the players and league think he is a promising young QB.

Derwin James had 16 PDs + INTs in his best year. Adams had 13. That's not a huge difference. Then factor in that James hasn't forced a fumble in the NFL, has 7 TFLs, 3.5 sacks, 6 QB hits, and missed most of 2019, and it strikes me as odd that you'd call James a playmaker and Adams a thumper. Adams creates far more positive defensive plays. Honestly looking at Adams's height and weight, he might even be able to be an effective LB or big nickel for the Colts in a hypothetical trade scenario. He's not worth $20 million, though.

I've seen enough of Watson that I'm unconvinced that he's anything better than average, and his receiver group took a HUGE hit losing Hopkins. Players and the league often overvalue certain players for varying reasons.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Derwin James had 16 PDs + INTs in his best year. Adams had 13. That's not a huge difference. Then factor in that James hasn't forced a fumble in the NFL, has 7 TFLs, 3.5 sacks, 6 QB hits, and missed most of 2019, and it strikes me as odd that you'd call James a playmaker and Adams a thumper. Adams creates far more positive defensive plays. Honestly looking at Adams's height and weight, he might even be able to be an effective LB or big nickel for the Colts in a hypothetical trade scenario. He's not worth $20 million, though.

I've seen enough of Watson that I'm unconvinced that he's anything better than average, and his receiver group took a HUGE hit losing Hopkins. Players and the league often overvalue certain players for varying reasons.

James has only played his rookie year, his sophmore season ended early bc of injury. Still he was able to surpass Adams int total in just his rookie year. I call Adams a thumper bc he makes his best plays near the los, not in the secondary or both. I think Sanders was a thumper, its not a negative term. He was decent in space and could break on the ball if he wanted to, although he dropped a few he should have caught, but he played best coming down to the los and was known as a big hitter like Adams is. If thats what we wanted our SS to do then I think he would be a good get, not for 20 million of course. I think they want guys that can make breaks on the ball in the air and cause turnovers in the passing game and play the run. If you want a safety that can blitz off the edge, make plays in the backfield, and knock the hell out of guys, then Adams should be your guy. Personally I would make him a will lb, I bet he would do well in this style of defense as a will.

As for Watson, I don't necessarily disagree, but the guy is 24 and I think he has a much more positive rep around the league than that.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

James has only played his rookie year, his sophmore season ended early bc of injury. Still he was able to surpass Adams int total in just his rookie year. I call Adams a thumper bc he makes his best plays near the los, not in the secondary or both. I think Sanders was a thumper, its not a negative term. He was decent in space and could break on the ball if he wanted to, although he dropped a few he should have caught, but he played best coming down to the los and was known as a big hitter like Adams is. If thats what we wanted our SS to do then I think he would be a good get, not for 20 million of course. I think they want guys that can make breaks on the ball in the air and cause turnovers in the passing game and play the run. If you want a safety that can blitz off the edge, make plays in the backfield, and knock the hell out of guys, then Adams should be your guy. Personally I would make him a will lb, I bet he would do well in this style of defense as a will.

As for Watson, I don't necessarily disagree, but the guy is 24 and I think he has a much more positive rep around the league than that.

We just disagree on what the term "thumper" means, I think. I hear that, and I think David Harris, Bart Scott, or any other number of 3-4 ILBs that were one dimensional run stoppers. For me, a "thumper" is going to struggle in coverage and not be able to do much of anything outside the box.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Wow. Seahawks trade two 1st round draft picks to Jets for Jamal Adams.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287118553179729935

The #Jets held firm on their star and planned to do so until they got a huge offer. And this is huge. Good work by GM Joe Douglas here.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287118070729904129

A massive haul for the #Jets: Star safety Jamal Adams goes to the #Seahawks along with a 4th rounder in 2022... in return Seattle sends . . . . a 1st rounder, a 3rd and ANOTHER 1st in 2022 to NYJ — and safety Bradley McDougald. Crazy.

[Butter]

Wow, nice haul for the Jets, have to assume those will be late firsts still seems solid considering keeping him long term seemed unlikely for them.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

Wow. Seahawks trade two 1st round draft picks to Jets for Jamal Adams.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287118553179729935




https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287118070729904129

Only a n elite QB or an elite pass rusher is worth 2 first round picks. Utterly stupid move on the Seahags part!