Senior Bowl Discussion

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Yeah, while Edge over RW was the correct move I still wish BP had extended Faulk and traded the pick to the Saints for their next 2 drafts. We could have traded back up a couple of spots and picked Champ Bailey or stayed put and drafted Torry Holt. Then reloaded just about everywhere else with the ridiculous amounts of picks we would have had.

He couldn't extend Faulk. Faulk wanted to be the focus, and that's not how that offense needed to be run. Faulk would take too many negative plays trying to bust the big one, while Edge would go get 3 yards to keep things moving forward. Edge didnt get pissy if Manning would pull the ball on play action and throw deep to Marvin.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by JAFF

He couldn't extend Faulk. Faulk wanted to be the focus, and that's not how that offense needed to be run. Faulk would take too many negative plays trying to bust the big one, while Edge would go get 3 yards to keep things moving forward. Edge didnt get pissy if Manning would pull the ball on play action and throw deep to Marvin.

I don't remember Faulk being a problem, but being over 20 years ago you could be right. I did read recently that BP said he really wanted to keep Faulk and draft Champ Bailey, but that Faulk was going to hold out for a new contract and BP wouldn't be able to make that work with the Colts cap situation. Of course we spent a ton reloading in FA that year and Edge got a big rookie deal as well, so that could be selective memory on BP's part.

[Luck4Reich]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

I don't remember Faulk being a problem, but being over 20 years ago you could be right. I did read recently that BP said he really wanted to keep Faulk and draft Champ Bailey, but that Faulk was going to hold out for a new contract and BP wouldn't be able to make that work with the Colts cap situation. Of course we spent a ton reloading in FA that year and Edge got a big rookie deal as well, so that could be selective memory on BP's part.

He wasnt a problem other than he wanted to renegotiate his contract with 2 years left. Polian refused to do so let Faulk go and drafted Edge.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

I don't remember Faulk being a problem, but being over 20 years ago you could be right. I did read recently that BP said he really wanted to keep Faulk and draft Champ Bailey, but that Faulk was going to hold out for a new contract and BP wouldn't be able to make that work with the Colts cap situation. Of course we spent a ton reloading in FA that year and Edge got a big rookie deal as well, so that could be selective memory on BP's part.

It's about the team. Give the ball to faulk on 1st and ten and if the hole wasnt there he would bob and weave and take a 3 yard loss. Now it's on Manning to go fix it.

You give Edge the ball on first down and fights to get 3 yards. Now it's second and 7 and the QB doesn't need to pull it out of his ass. Edge would get you 3 yards falling out of bed and NEVER bitched about getting the ball.

He played a year with TWO high ankle sprains. He bitched about not getting his bonus, but he made every freaking game. Thats why Jim payed him his bonus, he played every game and played for the team

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by JAFF

It's about the team. Give the ball to faulk on 1st and ten and if the hole wasnt there he would bob and weave and take a 3 yard loss. Now it's on Manning to go fix it.

You give Edge the ball on first down and fights to get 3 yards. Now it's second and 7 and the QB doesn't need to pull it out of his ass. Edge would get you 3 yards falling out of bed and NEVER bitched about getting the ball.

He played a year with TWO high ankle sprains. He bitched about not getting his bonus, but he made every freaking game. Thats why Jim payed him his bonus, he played every game and played for the team

Do you guys remember the offense that Faulk was a part of with the Rams? I loved Edge but Faulk was every bit as valuable to an offense as he was. Just a different kind of back, not really an in between the tackles type of guy. If there was an issue with him in that offense it was on our coaching staff and how they used him, not on his ability. He tore it up in LA and they took home the trophy.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Do you guys remember the offense that Faulk was a part of with the Rams? I loved Edge but Faulk was every bit as valuable to an offense as he was. Just a different kind of back, not really an in between the tackles type of guy. If there was an issue with him in that offense it was on our coaching staff and how they used him, not on his ability. He tore it up in LA and they took home the trophy.

St Louis.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by JAFF

It's about the team. Give the ball to faulk on 1st and ten and if the hole wasnt there he would bob and weave and take a 3 yard loss. Now it's on Manning to go fix it.

You give Edge the ball on first down and fights to get 3 yards. Now it's second and 7 and the QB doesn't need to pull it out of his ass. Edge would get you 3 yards falling out of bed and NEVER bitched about getting the ball.

He played a year with TWO high ankle sprains. He bitched about not getting his bonus, but he made every freaking game. Thats why Jim payed him his bonus, he played every game and played for the team

Maybe in '96-'97 and at the start of '98, but I remember that once the O started clicking in Peyton's rookie year Faulk seemed to buy in and he had a hell of a year.

At any rate I'm not saying that Faulk was a better fit than Edge b/c he wasn't. What I am saying is that Faulk, Bailey/Holt, extra picks in several rounds of the '99 draft, and the 2nd overall pick and an extra 3rd rounder in the '00 draft would have been better than Edge, Peterson, and Scioli.

[Chromeburn]

So Brett Kolman reviews the senior bowl and the top ten players at it. Good watch.

And then he drops this bomb; the Colts love Jordan Love. Apparently the Colts really want Jordan Love and it is the worst kept secret right now.

Brett Kolman Video Link

[smitty46953]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

And then he drops this bomb; the Colts love Jordan Love. Apparently the Colts really want Jordan Love and it is the worst kept secret right now.

Brett Kolman Video Link

I hope all the talk about Jordan Love is smoke and mirrors. Ballard went to Notre Dame once and never mentioned Nelson again (publicly) until the pick was announced.

Personally out on a limb prediction but I see Dolphins trading the 1.05 & 2.07 to the Lions for the 1.03 to insure that they get Tua Tagovailoa. Then the Lions trading the 1.05 to the Colts for the 1.13 & 2.02 and the Colts take Justin Herbert leap frogging the Chargers @ 1.06 to do so? Give Herbert this season or part of it to learn and step in for Jacoby next year or earlier should Brissett falter.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by smitty46953

I hope all the talk about Jordan Love is smoke and mirrors. Ballard went to Notre Dame once and never mentioned Nelson again (publicly) until the pick was announced.

Personally out on a limb prediction but I see Dolphins trading the 1.05 & 2.07 to the Lions to insure that they get Tua Tagovailoa. Then the Dolphins trading the 1.05 to the Colts for the 1.13 & 2.02 and the Colts take Justin Herbert leap frogging the Chargers @ 1.06 to do so? Give Herbert this season or part of it to learn and step in for Jacoby next year or earlier should Brissett falter.

I’m not particularly sold on Love either. I’m not a scout though. The main thing I want is for them to target and get who they believe can be a franchise guy and not just accept “the best available” that falls to them at QB. If they really think it’s Love, I’m fine with it. I personally like your scenario as I prefer Herbert to Love and I like them moving up to get their guy.