Fuck the Pats

[Pez]

Originally Posted by sherck

Two articles on NFL.com today:

First one ranks the top 15 offenses in the league....Colts are not even in the list other than at the end as an "honorable mention."

Second article listed the 2016 division winners in reverse order of whom is most "safe" to repeat and who is most vulnerable to getting beat out in 2017. HOU was listed as most vulnerable but TEN was identified as the team to do so with no mention of the Colts.

Keep swimming under the radar. Just keep swimming, swimming.....

Cheers,

I love the idea that we are under the radar and I have a large sense of optimism that we will win our division and a playoff game this year.

What I don't have is any sense whatsoever of persecution... What evidence does the press have to put the colts into the top half of the league, or that we will win our division? I see none... I see a team with massive holes, poor coaching and an culture that things saying "we have to get better" is ok.

As soon as they can PROVE otherwise by example, then I will feel like my team is being persecuted / underrated.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Pez

I love the idea that we are under the radar and I have a large sense of optimism that we will win our division and a playoff game this year.

What I don't have is any sense whatsoever of persecution... What evidence does the press have to put the colts into the top half of the league, or that we will win our division? I see none... I see a team with massive holes, poor coaching and an culture that things saying "we have to get better" is ok.

As soon as they can PROVE otherwise by example, then I will feel like my team is being persecuted / underrated.

How is a top 10 scoring offense that essentially returns all its key contributors not evidence of a top 15 offense?

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

How is a top 10 scoring offense that essentially returns all its key contributors not evidence of a top 15 offense?

I would start by saying 8-8.

Then I would probably try to get the witness to mention 3rd place in the AFC south.

I would probably close with the fact that the Texans more or less tried to give us the division late in the season and the colts, despite being a top ten scoring offense, could not execute.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Pez

I would start by saying 8-8.

Then I would probably try to get the witness to mention 3rd place in the AFC south.

I would probably close with the fact that the Texans more or less tried to give us the division late in the season and the colts, despite being a top ten scoring offense, could not execute.

This is as stupid as people who said Brady is better than Manning because Championships.

Yes, the defense sucked. What does that have to do with the fact that you will not find 15 better collections of offensive talent anywhere than what the Colts have?

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

This is as stupid as people who said Brady is better than Manning because Championships.

Yes, the defense sucked. What does that have to do with the fact that you will not find 15 better collections of offensive talent anywhere than what the Colts have?

I get what you are saying But it's a lot different. People are comparing Tom Brady to a massive and proven body of work that was Manning's time with the Colts and Denver. There's no real solid proof that Brady is better then manning or vise versa, so homer fans have to draw on technicalities as evidence.

8-8 and third place in the weakest division in football is not a technicality. Are there 15 teams worse than that?

You are acting as if I don't recognize that there is any offensive talent on this team. That's not the case. My original point was that sports columnists are not underrating the colts if they think they will finish 3rd in the AFC south next year.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Pez

I get what you are saying But it's a lot different. People are comparing Tom Brady to a massive and proven body of work that was Manning's time with the Colts and Denver. There's no real solid proof that Brady is better then manning or vise versa, so homer fans have to draw on technicalities as evidence.

8-8 and third place in the weakest division in football is not a technicality. Are there 15 teams worse than that?

You are acting as if I don't recognize that there is any offensive talent on this team. That's not the case. My original point was that sports columnists are not underrating the colts if they think they will finish 3rd in the AFC south next year.

I never said anything about where the team will finish in the standings. Offenses and teams are not the same thing. It's possible to have a great offense on a mediocre or bad team, because there are three phases to the game, and if your defense is atrocious (as the Colts defense was last year), it can drag down the overall team performance quite a bit (as it did last year). I'm not arguing that anyone should be picking the Colts to win the AFC South (though I could easily see that happening), my argument was very simply that you won't find 15 offenses in the NFL with the talent or proven performance of the Colts offense. To refute that argument would require naming 15 NFL offenses that would meet those qualifications. Arguing against the 2016 team's overall performance is entirely irrelevant to my argument.

[natagu23]

Tom Brady is better than Manning.

Hate to say it but he just is. Last year's Superbowl did it for me.

Yes, it was a epic choke by the Falcons, but a lot of it had to do with Tom Brady's aura.

In the 2nd half you know the Falcons were like "oh sh*t! Here comes Tom Brady and those lesbians."

Manning, for as great as he was never instilled that kinda fear to opposing teams on the big stage.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I never said anything about where the team will finish in the standings. Offenses and teams are not the same thing. It's possible to have a great offense on a mediocre or bad team, because there are three phases to the game, and if your defense is atrocious (as the Colts defense was last year), it can drag down the overall team performance quite a bit (as it did last year). I'm not arguing that anyone should be picking the Colts to win the AFC South (though I could easily see that happening), my argument was very simply that you won't find 15 offenses in the NFL with the talent or proven performance of the Colts offense. To refute that argument would require naming 15 NFL offenses that would meet those qualifications. Arguing against the 2016 team's overall performance is entirely irrelevant to my argument.

Thanks for clearing up the fact that there are three phases to the game. In the 40 years that I have been an NFL fan that one has always stumped me.

Yes, the Colts round out the top 10 in offensive yards gained per ESPN. I wont insult you by asking if that means they are a top 10 offense.

You used the term "proven performance" in stating that I needed to name 15 offenses. Is net yards gained really "proven performance?" Can I use Rushing yards as "proven performance?" (The colts were 23rd)

You are asking me to quantify the proven performance of 15 offenses including their level of talent. Should we rank talent over passing yards? Is receiving talent worth more of less than Offensive Line talent? What if I rate Jack Dolye a 94, but you still really cant dance to it?

There is no way any one can do this, not me, not you, not sherck. This is why they play the games. Last year the colts managed to lose as many as they won.

[Pez]

and fuck the pats

[Indiana V2]

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