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Why the fuck do the contract terms matter at this point?
Since you asked so nicely, I’ll tell you. The terms of the contract matter because we have a salary cap, and a good general manager needs to consider cap implications no matter how much cap space is presently available. I suspect you’ll say that we have so much cap space that we shouldn’t worry about it. It’s the same logic that drives lottery winners bankrupt a few years after winning. You ALWAYS have to consider the cap when evaluating a contract. While it is nice to have lots of cap space, a few bad deals and you’re back struggling against the cap like everyone else. I’ve explained this in detail in other threads, and won’t repeat it here, but essentially, the playing field is level as everyone has the same salary cap. It’s how you spend your allotted money that makes all the difference (and please don’t tell me that it’s all about drafting well or having a good QB – those are simply the other side of the same coin).

It seems to me that Houston is a risky signing. The degree of risk is in large part a function of the contract price. The guy is past his prime, he’s been plagued by injuries over the last few years, and he’s now changing teams and being asked to change his position. Not saying that it’s not a risk worth taking, given his history, but the risk is much greater if, for instance, his contract is fully guaranteed Kirk Cousins-style contract. If the Colts have the option of exiting after the first year (like with Hankins) then the risk is reduced.

This is not the type of signing that Ballard has made in the past. While he has brought in some veterans, they’ve mostly been low cost, serviceable role players. Ballard has emphasized youth and development. So it also concerns me that this is a departure from what I thought was his gameplan. Now, I realize he has a history with Houston, and that 30 is not over-the-hill for a pass rusher, so I remain hopeful. It also might be that Ballard is not satisfied with Turay’s development progress, and doesn’t foresee getting anyone in the draft who can immediately help. I don’t know. It’s just a striking departure from Ballard’s past strategy, so I expressed some concern.
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Chaka I appreciate your concern but do not share it. Yes Houston has some red flags. I'm assuming everyone in free agency does. His are not that large and even though he is changing position he has played quite a bit with his hand in the dirt. He should be a big help on pass rush. As far as Ballard changing his approach with this I'm not so sure. Everything I've read about Houston says he is great in the locker room. It is a two year deal that does nothing to hinder the build for this team. He helps out in one of our greatest needs. He does't fix it but he helps. It seems like a good signing.
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Since you asked so nicely, I’ll tell you. The terms of the contract matter because we have a salary cap, and a good general manager needs to consider cap implications no matter how much cap space is presently available. I suspect you’ll say that we have so much cap space that we shouldn’t worry about it. It’s the same logic that drives lottery winners bankrupt a few years after winning. You ALWAYS have to consider the cap when evaluating a contract. While it is nice to have lots of cap space, a few bad deals and you’re back struggling against the cap like everyone else. I’ve explained this in detail in other threads, and won’t repeat it here, but essentially, the playing field is level as everyone has the same salary cap. It’s how you spend your allotted money that makes all the difference (and please don’t tell me that it’s all about drafting well or having a good QB – those are simply the other side of the same coin).

It seems to me that Houston is a risky signing. The degree of risk is in large part a function of the contract price. The guy is past his prime, he’s been plagued by injuries over the last few years, and he’s now changing teams and being asked to change his position. Not saying that it’s not a risk worth taking, given his history, but the risk is much greater if, for instance, his contract is fully guaranteed Kirk Cousins-style contract. If the Colts have the option of exiting after the first year (like with Hankins) then the risk is reduced.

This is not the type of signing that Ballard has made in the past. While he has brought in some veterans, they’ve mostly been low cost, serviceable role players. Ballard has emphasized youth and development. So it also concerns me that this is a departure from what I thought was his gameplan. Now, I realize he has a history with Houston, and that 30 is not over-the-hill for a pass rusher, so I remain hopeful. It also might be that Ballard is not satisfied with Turay’s development progress, and doesn’t foresee getting anyone in the draft who can immediately help. I don’t know. It’s just a striking departure from Ballard’s past strategy, so I expressed some concern.
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This is not the type of signing that Ballard has made in the past. While he has brought in some veterans, they’ve mostly been low cost, serviceable role players. Ballard has emphasized youth and development. So it also concerns me that this is a departure from what I thought was his gameplan. Now, I realize he has a history with Houston, and that 30 is not over-the-hill for a pass rusher, so I remain hopeful. It also might be that Ballard is not satisfied with Turay’s development progress, and doesn’t foresee getting anyone in the draft who can immediately help. I don’t know. It’s just a striking departure from Ballard’s past strategy, so I expressed some concern.
I think it’s entirely possible that Ballard simply saw a guy on the market that fit an immediate short term need that he knew wouldn’t upset the locker room culture he wants. Pass rushers typically take time to develop so Houston adds some current ability with little risk. In this case, it’s not really a departure from his previous method. More like a rare exception.

What I hope is that Ballard is actually tweaking his methods to match the current team situation and make up. He made comments late last season that the team developed a lot quicker than he expected. And in a recent radio interview he mentioned the team needing to learn to win and alluded to some of the early season losses as not about talent. The optimistic side of me wants to combine those two things with the Houston signing and say Ballard realizes the team can win now and that you shouldn’t waste that always playing for tomorrow. That a more even balance between now and the long term is needed.

The reality is that it’s probably just the first one - a rare exception and not a shift in philosophy.
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He was supposedly effective as a run defender though as recently as last year. I don't know what Ballard and Reich's plans are for him, maybe he will not start. But if he's the best overall DE on the team, and he might be, then I'd expect him to play more than just obvious passing downs. It's not like Sheard/Turay/Lewis/whoever is so great that they're guaranteed a starting spot.
I envision him starting at RE next year. No reason not to at 6'3" 260, and as you mentioned good run defense in addition to pass rush ability.

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Since you asked so nicely, I’ll tell you. The terms of the contract matter because we have a salary cap, and a good general manager needs to consider cap implications no matter how much cap space is presently available. I suspect you’ll say that we have so much cap space that we shouldn’t worry about it. It’s the same logic that drives lottery winners bankrupt a few years after winning. You ALWAYS have to consider the cap when evaluating a contract. While it is nice to have lots of cap space, a few bad deals and you’re back struggling against the cap like everyone else. I’ve explained this in detail in other threads, and won’t repeat it here, but essentially, the playing field is level as everyone has the same salary cap. It’s how you spend your allotted money that makes all the difference (and please don’t tell me that it’s all about drafting well or having a good QB – those are simply the other side of the same coin).

It seems to me that Houston is a risky signing. The degree of risk is in large part a function of the contract price. The guy is past his prime, he’s been plagued by injuries over the last few years, and he’s now changing teams and being asked to change his position. Not saying that it’s not a risk worth taking, given his history, but the risk is much greater if, for instance, his contract is fully guaranteed Kirk Cousins-style contract. If the Colts have the option of exiting after the first year (like with Hankins) then the risk is reduced.

This is not the type of signing that Ballard has made in the past. While he has brought in some veterans, they’ve mostly been low cost, serviceable role players. Ballard has emphasized youth and development. So it also concerns me that this is a departure from what I thought was his gameplan. Now, I realize he has a history with Houston, and that 30 is not over-the-hill for a pass rusher, so I remain hopeful. It also might be that Ballard is not satisfied with Turay’s development progress, and doesn’t foresee getting anyone in the draft who can immediately help. I don’t know. It’s just a striking departure from Ballard’s past strategy, so I expressed some concern.
It's a 2 year deal. This has no long term cap implications and is basically a 1 year deal with an option. In the short term, it helps the Colts meet the 89% four year rolling average threshold, and gives the team an opportunity to see if they can bring him back to his peak form, which would at least temporarily solve the team's need for an elite pass rusher. There's no downside here.
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Great deep dive analysis article from The Athletic on Justin Houston:

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Every​ list of difficult offseason questions for​ the​ Kansas​ City Chiefs​ begins​ with what they should​ do​ with Justin Houston.​​

Ever since Houston received a massive contract following his outstanding 2014 season, he has been under more intense scrutiny than any player in Kansas City besides the quarterback. After a brutal knee injury in 2015 affected him well into 2016, fans began to question the wisdom of Houston’s deal. He was healthy in 2017 and played at a high level, but the questions did not go away.

Now the Chiefs face a dilemma in 2019 with Houston set to cost $21.1 million against the cap. Kansas City could save $14 million by cutting the pass rusher. As such, there are quite a few calls for the Chiefs to do just that, adding with the argument the fact that Houston missed multiple games with a hamstring injury last season.

Any decision about Houston should start with a simple question: How good a player is he now? To determine this, box-score analysis is close to useless. Instead, it’s necessary to examine every snap and look at what Houston did, charting wins/losses and neutral plays as well as stuffs, effective double-teams, chips drawn and pressures/hits/sacks. For a more detailed explanation on those terms, click here. Because we’ve reviewed Houston’s film previously in this manner, we can compare his 2018 numbers to his 2017 numbers and determine whether he’s trending downward. We can also compare him to fellow pass rusher Dee Ford, another important contract decision the Chiefs must make this offseason.

Notes: “Chips” were a new addition this year, as it seemed relevant to count how often teams used a running back or tight end to help with Houston. Additionally, it’s worth mentioning that “losses” for defensive players are going to outnumber “wins” almost every time. That’s simply the nature of their roles.

One of the first takeaways from Houston’s numbers this season is that his win rate remains very high. In fact, it was higher than his 2017 season and significantly higher than Ford’s was in 2018. This goes against the now-prevalent narrative that Houston is no longer an impact player or has lost his effectiveness. While there’s an argument that Houston received less attention from defenses this year, an examination of the number of chips and double teams he drew show that he still received plenty of extra attention from teams.

The reality is Houston continues to be an extremely good pass rusher and an effective run defender. Perhaps the best example of this came against the Los Angeles Rams, arguably the toughest matchup the Chiefs’ edge rushers faced this season. The Rams sent multiple blockers after Houston throughout the day, and his primary opponent, Andrew Whitworth, is one of the better left tackles in football. Despite this, Houston had a highly productive game.

Houston collected a sack, two hits and three pressures despite the difficult matchup, and it’s representative of what makes him so valuable: Tougher opponents don’t prevent him from making plays. This trait sets him apart from most pass rushers in that he isn’t dependent on beating up lesser opponents.

Houston has changed his pass-rush approach over the past year. Where he once was a combination of speed and power off the edge, he seems to have lost a step and no longer has the freakish athleticism he once did off the line. As a result, he has adapted to become a power/technique rusher. He wins in a variety of ways, starting with his favorite move: a combination of dip-and-rip and swat moves.

Houston usually initiates contact when rushing the passer, using his long arms to keep tackles from getting inside his pads. His favorite method of winning to the outside is to establish contact, then swat the tackle’s hands aside with one or both of his hands. He then dips his inside shoulder and transitions into a “rip” move around the corner.

Because of Houston’s combination of strength, technique and functional bend around the corner, this is a tough move for opponents to stop. And while Houston, as noted earlier, is a step slower than he was at his peak, he still possesses solid athleticism and is capable of cornering quite quickly.

Houston uses some combination of the swat/dip/rip frequently, varying the timing of the move based on how the blocker sets up. It’s effective on its own, but it’s made even tougher because Houston uses a variety of other moves to complement these. One of those is a modified bull rush in which Houston starts off with power then converts into an inside rush toward the quarterback.

Houston starts this move as though he’s going to use a traditional bull rush to power the blocker straight into the quarterback. However, he’s not trying to go that direction, instead moving the tackle backward to provide a lane to move inside. This is highly effective in combination with Houston’s outside swat/dip/rip in that if a tackle sets up for the outside move, he’s vulnerable to being moved backward. Additionally, Houston can use a more traditional bull rush to push the blocker right into the quarterback rather than straight backward, so the tackle never knows what direction he’ll be fighting.

Pass-rushing with a plan defines what Houston does, and he can be seen altering his approach throughout games with a plethora of moves. Even in the course of one snap, he’ll transition from one move to another to gain the advantage.

On this play, Houston starts off with an attempted double-handed slap in an apparent outside rush. However, even as the tackle attempts to adjust his set to get deep, Houston converts to a long-arm move to take advantage of the blocker’s momentum and shoves him off-balance. This provides an open path to the quarterback.

At times, when other moves fail, Houston will use his unnatural strength to simply throw offensive linemen to the side with an impressive push-pull.

Houston’s unique power and veteran savvy makes him a very difficult matchup once he has engaged the blocker. He varies his moves so consistently that there’s no one way to play him, and it shows over the course of a game. In many games, Houston would win more often against tackles as the game moved along, taking advantage of blockers’ attempting to “read” him as a rusher and anticipate his moves. He uses a bull rush, dip-and-rip, long arm, double- and single-handed swat, a modified inside bull rush and a push-pull with frequency.

And just when a tackle begins to anticipate Houston initiating contact and using some sort of power move, he uses a quick inside juke to leave them blocking air.

There’s really no consistently “correct” way to block Houston. If a tackle sets up wide in preparation for a dip-and-rip, Houston will either bull rush or use his modified inside bull rush to quickly close the distance to the quarterback. If a tackle tries to initiate contact and lean on Houston, he’s subject to a push-pull or having his hands swatted aside as Houston moves around the edge. Houston’s varied ability also allows him to move around the line. Former defensive coordinator Bob Sutton had him rush from every conceivable gap in 2018, from wide-9 to just over the center, and he did it all well.

As a run defender, Houston continues to be solid, though he wasn’t as dominant as in years past. He’s very strong at the point of attack and is able to hold the edge against any blocker. He also sheds tackles and tight ends quickly when the run is in his direction.

Houston’s run defense has been so consistent that there really isn’t much to discuss. Teams don’t run at his edge as often as they run the other direction, which doesn’t give him a lot of opportunities to collect “wins” in that area. However, he’s consistently in the right position and often forces plays to go away from him even when they are designed his direction initially, which doesn’t show up in the stats sheet.

The run game, however, is also where it makes sense to start talking about Houston’s negatives. There was a time when he was flawless in this area. However, in 2018, he collected more losses against the run than in the past. It often wasn’t an issue of being overpowered at the point of attack or being driven off the ball. Rather, Houston had more times when he failed to diagnose the run and what direction it was going and found himself washed out of a play because of it.

While these failures weren’t often, mind you, they were higher than in previous seasons. Additionally, Houston wasn’t as capable as a pursuit defender as he was in years past given his lost step.

That lost step is worth discussing. Houston is certainly not a “slow” defender, but he’s slower than he used to be. He’s now a rather average athlete for an outside linebacker. (It’s a different story with him at defensive end, but there’s no way of knowing where new defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo will use him.) In particular, Houston’s change of direction in open space is not what it used to be.

Because Houston is no longer able to simply win with sheer athleticism, he has a difficult time when blockers are able to battle him to a stalemate in the hand-fighting contest or are strong enough to stand up against his power. This resulted in more snaps in which Houston was stonewalled than previous seasons, even though the number was still not very high.

Houston no longer being an elite athlete has also affected how quickly his wins as a pass rusher affect the quarterback. Because he’s often reliant on winning after making contact with a blocker, it takes him a split-second longer to generate pressure even on good snaps when compared to the much faster Ford. This is the biggest reason for the discrepancy between the two players in win percentage vs. sacks/hits/pressures.

Both Ford and Houston “win” on this play, but it happens differently. Ford blows by his blocker around the edge. Houston wins as well, but it’s after contact and through the result of his strength and balance. While Ford had the advantage of not having to worry about a potential chip — even when running backs do not actively chip, their presence forces rushers to alter their approach — the speed of his win is noticeably faster than Houston’s.

Houston’s lost step could be the reason his loss percentage increased this season. He historically has lost at a rate lower than virtually any other edge defender. While his loss percentage remains solid, it’s significantly higher than past seasons. Going from “elite” to “good” in loss percentage is a small step, but an important one that must be noted.

While the idea of Houston losing a step might be frightening to Chiefs fans, he remains a highly effective player who has adjusted to life past his prime years. Winning with strength and technique is something that will age nicely, and worked very well for him last season.

Of course, Houston being a very good player wasn’t much in question outside of a vocal minority. The problem remains his contract. Despite the fact that Houston is one of the top-10 edge defenders in the NFL, his contract is designed for a player who is more than that. “Very good” just isn’t enough when a player is set to cost $21.1 million against the cap.

This is the rock and a hard place Chiefs GM Brett Veach finds himself in with Houston, who is such a good player that replacing him would be quite difficult without signing a top-end free agent. Those players rarely hit the open market, and when they do, they’re generally signed to extremely high-end deals. On the other hand, paying a defensive player who is not Aaron Donald or Khalil Mack that much money is not sound cap management. Also to be taken into consideration: the new system the Chiefs will be utilizing and where Houston fits in it. He may be best off as a defensive end with his current skill set, but that’s Ford’s obvious fit as well.

There is no “easy answer” with Houston. He’s too good to cut, but too expensive to keep. It would have been simpler had his detractors been correct and his play had fallen off last season, but he remains good enough to be a cornerstone of the defense. As it stands, the Chiefs put themselves in a tough position if they keep Houston barring a restructuring of his deal. But they put themselves in a tough position if they move on as well. Whatever direction they go will likely set the stage for the rest of the offseason decisions the Chiefs must make.
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This is a move I like. Improves an area of need, adds veteran experience, pushes the young guys to earn their snaps, and doesn’t hurt the long term cap situation. Good move.
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Great deep dive analysis article from The Athletic on Justin Houston:



https://theathletic.com/830517/2019/...lt-to-replace/
Thanks, great article. I like that he has adjusted his game as he lost a bit of his speed to keep himself effective. Good signing.
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