2019 Draft - Edge Rushers

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Positional value is definitely a thing. If you don't believe me, check out the franchise tag numbers by position. The reason people made the argument bolded above is because predicting a player will be an All-Pro talent as a rookie is folly, and from a positional value perspective, OG is not a position on which a good GM would typically spend a top 10 pick. Nelson worked out better than anyone could reasonably expect, which is why it ended up working out, but let's not pretend that Ballard wasn't risking drafting the next Jonathan Cooper at the time.

Yeah, I don't know what you are talking about.

Nelson was the big fucking dog in this draft and he was a PRO BOWL player out the gate. How did all the guys above him do? Nelson was all pro as a lineman, the toughest, most intellegent position in the game. And he will only get better.

And while people will say QB is harder, try sittin in a three point stance, LISTENING to audibles and then HOLDING your position until the snap and ajusting your attack depending on the change, and knocking the crap out of the guy in front of you.

This guy could be one of the BEST. He's smart (Notre Damn), atheletic, and his DRIVEN. He likes to beat the piss out of guys in a legal way and not go to jail.

That 6th round pick will look like chump change in the future.

[HoosierinFL]

I just looked at some mocks and it seems the majority of them expect all defensive picks in the first 5-6 spots, and Rashan Gary is projected at 4 or 6 very commonly. I just don't get that. I guess we'll see.

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

I just looked at some mocks and it seems the majority of them expect all defensive picks in the first 5-6 spots, and Rashan Gary is projected at 4 or 6 very commonly. I just don't get that. I guess we'll see.

It's early in the process. At this time last year people were projecting Arden Key as an early first rounder, he eventually was picked in the 3rd. Just one example.

[sherck]

Originally Posted by FatDT

It's early in the process. At this time last year people were projecting Arden Key as an early first rounder, he eventually was picked in the 3rd. Just one example.

Agree.

In Jan / Feb, it is all about physical traits.

By March and the combine, the physical traits are all known and it starts being about who "projects" better to the NFL.

By April, it becomes much more realistic with the QB needy teams uptalking their hopeful future franchise QB and the offensive skill / secondary players whom have just killed it during the whole process rising.

I just hope Ballard and staff apply the same process as last season to this season and find another 3 quality starters (Nelson, Smith, Leonard) and 3 quality depth guys (Hines, Wilkins, Turray/Lewis) along with a handfull of solid depth guys and developmental (Cain, Fountain, Adams, Franklin).

Is that too much to ask?

Walk Worthy,

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by FatDT

It's early in the process. At this time last year people were projecting Arden Key as an early first rounder, he eventually was picked in the 3rd. Just one example.

This isn't quite accurate. Most mocks had Key as an early 1st rounder early in the 2017 season. After he had some injuries and poor performance, few mocks had him as a 1st rounder by the time of the Senior Bowl.

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

This isn't quite accurate. Most mocks had Key as an early 1st rounder early in the 2017 season. After he had some injuries and poor performance, few mocks had him as a 1st rounder by the time of the Senior Bowl.

Is 13 months ago close enough?

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/...as-presents/2/

Key mocked 13th overall to the Dolphins.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by FatDT

Is 13 months ago close enough?

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/...as-presents/2/

Key mocked 13th overall to the Dolphins.

Fair enough. Maybe I was thinking of after the combine when some of the character concerns started coming out. He really fell off once teams took a closer look. Though, I think Gary will probably be a different story. He should shine at the combine, so he'll probably cement himself as a top 15 pick.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

This isn't quite accurate. Most mocks had Key as an early 1st rounder early in the 2017 season. After he had some injuries and poor performance, few mocks had him as a 1st rounder by the time of the Senior Bowl.

I believe Key flaked during the offseason and disappeared. Some family issue. That started the question marks on him. Also rumors of lackluster practice effort.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

I just looked at some mocks and it seems the majority of them expect all defensive picks in the first 5-6 spots, and Rashan Gary is projected at 4 or 6 very commonly. I just don't get that. I guess we'll see.

The projection someone who would draft Gary that high would be making is J.J. Watt. The measurables are comparable, but the production isn't.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Yeah, I don't know what you are talking about.

Nelson was the big fucking dog in this draft and he was a PRO BOWL player out the gate. How did all the guys above him do? Nelson was all pro as a lineman, the toughest, most intellegent position in the game. And he will only get better.

And while people will say QB is harder, try sittin in a three point stance, LISTENING to audibles and then HOLDING your position until the snap and ajusting your attack depending on the change, and knocking the crap out of the guy in front of you.

This guy could be one of the BEST. He's smart (Notre Damn), atheletic, and his DRIVEN. He likes to beat the piss out of guys in a legal way and not go to jail.

That 6th round pick will look like chump change in the future.

this post is fucking dumb