OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: Win the Rematch, Claim 1st Place (vs. TEXANS, 10/27)

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

I've ask this before and never got an answer or opinion from anyone...is Cameron Turner a good QB coach? Is he the only one that works with AR or does he have a personal coach? I mean to me, his lack of progress might warrant bringing in another QB coach or someone to work with him personally!

I know there have been other QBs that struggled early in their careers and then a coach changed the foot work or throwing motion and suddenly they became very effective.

This is a good point. Whether it's just Turner or someone else as well, they probably need to be replaced b/c what they're doing isn't working.

[ChaosTheory]

Pulling himself out was also pretty damn discouraging. Unless he actually hurt something breaking that tackle or taking that hit and isn't telling us, you can't justify it.

As for the accuracy... I'm sorry, and I know completion percentage doesn't always tell the whole story... but 10/32 is his notably better day? True, he wasn't sending missiles to the second row, but shit.

I mentioned it earlier, but accurate by NFL standards is not just getting the ball to the receiver where he could catch it vs. air. The placement is relatively subtle and separates accurate passers. He's either not judging his leads properly or not hitting his intended marks, or both.

I'll rewatch to completely sure, but I think several of these pass break-ups (drops) where bad placement. Guys have to slow their momentum, reach, contort, dive too often...

Like the final drive, 22 seconds left, Pierce beats Stingley clean on a circus route or whatever out-route it was and AR puts it between Pierce and Stingley. Pierce has to reach way back, does a 360 trying to catch it. Everybody bitches that Pierce dropped it, but goddamn.

You're trying to get a field goal. Even if Pierce makes that catch, he's in bounds. He's got like 3-4 yards between Pierce and the sideline, and he throws it a yard inside of him. It's a few yards from where it needed to be.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Pulling himself out was also pretty damn discouraging. Unless he actually hurt something breaking that tackle or taking that hit and isn't telling us, you can't justify it.

As for the accuracy... I'm sorry, and I know completion percentage doesn't always tell the whole story... but 10/32 is his notably better day? True, he wasn't sending missiles to the second row, but shit.

I mentioned it earlier, but accurate by NFL standards is not just getting the ball to the receiver where he could catch it vs. air. The placement is relatively subtle and separates accurate passers. He's either not judging his leads properly or not hitting his intended marks, or both.

I'll rewatch to completely sure, but I think several of these pass break-ups (drops) where bad placement. Guys have to slow their momentum, reach, contort, dive too often...

Like the final drive, 22 seconds left, Pierce beats Stingley clean on a circus route or whatever out-route it was and AR puts it between Pierce and Stingley. Pierce has to reach way back, does a 360 trying to catch it. Everybody bitches that Pierce dropped it, but goddamn.

You're trying to get a field goal. Even if Pierce makes that catch, he's in bounds. He's got like 3-4 yards between Pierce and the sideline, and he throws it a yard inside of him. It's a few yards from where it needed to be.

In this game anyway, my take is if Richardson had let go of the ball 1 tenth of a second earlier then he's completing a lot of those passes. That's not accuracy. That is timing.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Pulling himself out was also pretty damn discouraging. Unless he actually hurt something breaking that tackle or taking that hit and isn't telling us, you can't justify it.

As for the accuracy... I'm sorry, and I know completion percentage doesn't always tell the whole story... but 10/32 is his notably better day? True, he wasn't sending missiles to the second row, but shit.

I mentioned it earlier, but accurate by NFL standards is not just getting the ball to the receiver where he could catch it vs. air. The placement is relatively subtle and separates accurate passers. He's either not judging his leads properly or not hitting his intended marks, or both.

I'll rewatch to completely sure, but I think several of these pass break-ups (drops) where bad placement. Guys have to slow their momentum, reach, contort, dive too often...

Like the final drive, 22 seconds left, Pierce beats Stingley clean on a circus route or whatever out-route it was and AR puts it between Pierce and Stingley. Pierce has to reach way back, does a 360 trying to catch it. Everybody bitches that Pierce dropped it, but goddamn.

You're trying to get a field goal. Even if Pierce makes that catch, he's in bounds. He's got like 3-4 yards between Pierce and the sideline, and he throws it a yard inside of him. It's a few yards from where it needed to be.

In this game anyway, my take is if Richardson had let go of the ball 1 tenth of a second earlier then he's completing a lot of those passes. That's not accuracy. That is timing.

[Mr. Session]

I can't remember seeing any QB tap out from being tired. That was an incredible run to save a sack, so I get it, but I've never seen that at this level.

I've been wondering why they don't use his legs primarily, and use his arm as a counter, but I think I just saw an argument why. Stamina.

This dude really is a unicorn. I've never seen one like him.

[albany ed]

Well, with the playoffs rapidly becoming a kind of an unreachable fantasy, it's time to just relax and let Richardson sink or swim. We're stuck with him through 2026. His cap hit would be too huge to jettison him before then. In 2026 he'll be 24 years old, still very young. Maybe, just maybe he'll develop. Right now, I believe his biggest problem is between his ears. He plays like a wreckless teenager who can't see beyond the next second. I'm not sure how this can be rectified, but I do believe that if it could, he just might be special.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I’m not buying that he was tired. Guys a major fucking athlete if nothing else. My best guess is he felt a shot of pain in the previous injury from giving the defender a piggy back ride. Being winded makes absolutely no fucking sense.

I have few complaints with his accuracy today. 2-3 balls. That’s an improvement. Decision making was bad. He needs reps. Steichen’s decision to go empty backfield and throw with a raw qb before half was a worse decision than any AR made.

If he truly did tap himself out BECAUSE HE WAS TIRED, did he lose the locker room??

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

In this game anyway, my take is if Richardson had let go of the ball 1 tenth of a second earlier then he's completing a lot of those passes. That's not accuracy. That is timing.

We might be talking about the same thing. Ultimately, he's not getting the ball where it's supposed to be, when it's supposed to be there. Accuracy is a good enough term for me.

That said, throws like the Pierce one I mentioned, aren't timing issues. The ball "got there" at the right time. It was just 3 yards left of where it needed to be.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

^^^^
THIS

Steichen is weird. He seems, for whatever reason, to be just fine having 2 incompletions and 3rd and 10 and in a damn near impossible position to convert. But he seems to HATE the concept of running twice and having 3rd and 4 which is converted at a much more frequent rate because of how many options are available on the play sheet at that point.

The one thing we have all seen with JT- he is a trust the process back. He will have 6-8-10 straight runs for 1,2,3 yards, and then he will fucking house it. Then, he is a fucking monster just gobbling up 12-20 yarders after that.

Steichen just cannot seem to allow that pattern with JT for whatever the fuck the reason is.

Starting to think he is way too similar to Reich in that he wants have a lot of the attention focused on him, how inventive, how creative he is vs just doing the right things to win fucking games!

good post

yeah i don't understand it. we all knew AR was going to struggle some and have some ups and downs. how are we not making his job easier? lean on the run game with JT and AR. set up those big shots downfield. use screens, misdirection, swing passes to the rb and some fucking slants to pittman. stay out of 3rd and long. you cant survive trying to convert 3rd and long all the time. like we saw yesterday

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

It's mind numbing watching all the people apologize for Richardson sucking. Y'all look for one little moment to say he is progressing. He was a freak crossing route screw up from being like 1-12 in the first half. He had a couple dropped passes that should have been caught, but he had a lot more absolute horrible QB play. He is a freak of nature athletically, but has no idea how to be a professional QB. He just doesn't get it, and he never will. The same knocks in he had in high school and college, they followed him to the pro's. They are never going to coach him up. He is a bust and I will guarantee I am right. We wasted a draft pick that could have been used on defense. This team is so poorly constructed.

if Mitchell gets his feet down for the td, if goodson caught that dime to him we would probably be having a different conversation,

AR had some big mistakes this game, but that's not the first place I look to place blame