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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory
Piqued my interest regarding fumble stats, so I looked it up. Fumble rate is apparently not conveniently aggregated, but I found this list of NFL RB's with 3000+ career rush attempts and how many fumbles they had:
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/low...-3000-attempts
If you do the math:
- Curtis Martin was a freak, fumbling once every 121 attempts.
- Ladainian Tomlinson was next best at once every 102 attempts.
- Jerome Bettis once every 85 attempts
- Frank Gore once every 81 attempts.
- Barry Sanders once every 75 attempts.
- Emmitt Smith once every 72 attempts.
- Edgerrin James once every 69 attempts.
- Adrian Peterson once every 66 attempts.
- Walter Payton and Marcus Allen were worst, fumbling once every 45 and 46 attempts respectively.
If you do the math on JT, he's got 13 total fumbles on 1228 carries. Meaning he fumbles once every 94 attempts, which would be good for third on this list. Even if he gets worse in the latter part of his career, he probably ends up in the range of Sanders, Smith, James, and Peterson at worst.
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Thanks Chaos. I was going to actually do something similar w/ RBs from the 2024 season, but this is a better list.
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I'm not saying JT is not a net positive, I'm saying he's an elite runner and poor at every other aspect of being a RB, including ball security. I'm hoping Giddens can be a better all around RB.
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Not disagreeing with JT being a below average receiver and really bad at pass pro, but as the stats show you're clearly wrong on your ball security take. Unless you believe that the 8 HOFers/Future HOFers on the list Chaos posted also had ball security issues.
Also, as UK pointed out you can cherry pick bad plays by almost any player in NFL history like you're doing w/ JT. Take for example Edge, who we all love for good reason. But he did have some REALLY bad fumbles that cost the Colts big time on multiple occasions. Most notably he lost 2 fumbles in the red zone (one of which was at the goal line) at the Cheats in '04 in a 3 point loss that gave those MFers HFA over us in the playoffs. He also lost a fumble at the goal line in a 3 point loss to Mia his rookie year. I believe he also lost a fumble @NE in OT that year as well which set up their game winning FG.
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Happy to disagree, no issue with that. But i do find it odd that you still believe he is a liability regards fumbles when the stats back it up that clearly he isn't.
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That's just Dam being Dam. He was of the opinion that JT would have fumbling issues after we drafted him, and he'll take that opinion to the grave whether he's wrong about it or not like every one of his takes.