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Chromeburn 01-21-2020 11:30 PM

Senior Bowl Discussion
 
I thought I would start a thread on the senior bowl since our front office loves to draft guys that do well at it. I'll post articles I come across and my thoughts on the tidbits I catch. If you want to watch some practices they will be on the NFL network in the afternoon of this week.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...e-for-patriots

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MOBILE, Ala. -- With Reese's Senior Bowl practices getting underway on Tuesday, 100-plus prospects for the 2020 NFL Draft are in the midst of a crucial job interview. NFL.com's Lance Zierlein and Chase Goodbread provide a look at standouts from Day 1, as well as notes from the player media day held on Tuesday.

Tune in for one-hour 2020 Senior Bowl Practice recap shows Tuesday, Jan. 21-Thursday, Jan. 23 at 8 p.m. ET on NFL Network and watch the Senior Bowl game live on NFL Network as well as the NFL and Network apps at 2:30 p.m. ET on Saturday, Jan. 25.

Five stars from Day 1 of Senior Bowl practice
Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina. Kinlaw was ruining people during Tuesday's practice. His length and size were just too much for the competition, and he played with a lot of momentum. He projects as a first-round pick. The question is, how early will he be picked in the opening stanza? He measured 6-foot-5 and 315 pounds with an 84-inch wingspan on Tuesday morning, so just walking across the stage at the weigh-in pushed him up the board. This guy has some rare physical traits. If he convinces teams he can rush the passer during the pre-draft process, he can push himself toward the first half of Round 1.


Harrison Bryant, TE, Florida Atlantic. No one could guard Bryant out here. When I watched his tape from the 2019 season opener against Ohio State (6 catches for 79 yards), it was easy to see that he can play against high-level talent. He did the same thing at practice on Tuesday. In one-on-one matchups, he dominated. He can split out wide, play him from the slot, in-line or at H-back. I think he's going to keep making himself money and lock in as a top-40 pick.

Jason Strowbridge, DE, North Carolina. All I could think of standing next to Bill Belichick on the sideline on Tuesday while watching Strowbridge was Deatrich Wise. The former Tar Heel looks like a Patriots pass rusher. Wise went to the Pats in the fourth round in 2017. A lot of times you'll see guys with traits who are kind of raw go in that round, and Strowbridge might fit that mold. He's tough. He's physical. And he helped himself on Tuesday. His North team is being coached this week by the Lions' Matt Patricia, Belichick's former D-coordinator. So who knows? Maybe Detroit and New England will both be targeting him come April.

Zack Baun, LB, Wisconsin. I knew coming into this week, based on my tape study, that Baun can dip and rip and get around the corner. I wanted to see him use counters this week, and on Tuesday, he had a spin counter that was fantastic. He played on the line and off the ball during practice, showing his versatility. I expected him to have a good week and I think he's off to a really good start.

Antonio Gandy-Golden, WR, Liberty. Gandy-Golden had some moments on the Ladd-Peebles Stadium field today. He showed he belonged. That's the one thing you want to see right off the bat with a small-school guy like him. You could tell that he was not intimidated by the big stage. I was really impressed by the way he blocked, too.

-- Lance Zierlein

MEDIA DAY: What we learned from Zac Taylor, Justin Herbert and more
Bengals coach understanding of Burrow's absence. As much as the Cincinnati Bengals might have liked to spend a week coaching former LSU QB Joe Burrow at the Senior Bowl, coach Zac Taylor wasn't at all put off by Burrow's decision to pass on an invitation. The length of LSU's run to win a College Football Playoff national championship, Taylor noted, made his absence unsurprising. LSU went 15-0 and knocked off Clemson for the title just eight days ago.

"I certainly understand -- I mean, the guy just played an NFL season. There is still plenty of time to get to know all the players in the draft before April rolls around," Taylor said on Tuesday at the Senior Bowl's media day event. "... To go undefeated, win the national championship, be the leader he is, that stuff is really impressive. He certainly has a lot of great traits, things you get excited about as a coach. (We're) still going through the evaluation process with him, just like all the quarterbacks here."

The Bengals hold the No. 1 overall pick in this year's draft, and Burrow's demolition of LSU opponents in leading the NCAA's top-ranked offense (568 yards per game) has generated heavy speculation that Cincinnati could make him the top selection. Taylor addressed a report that the Bengals have no intention of trading the selection by saying that no decisions have been made.

Herbert takes on leadership questions. Oregon's Justin Herbert is using the Senior Bowl week as an opportunity to flip the perception that he's overly quiet and, therefore, not what some NFL clubs might look for in a face-of-franchise quarterback. It's a label he doesn't accept.


"I think people are worried about leadership and me being a pretty quiet guy," Herbert said. "I would say I'm not too quiet, and unfortunately, I'll talk your ear off. ... I think early in my career I was a pretty quiet guy. I was shy, but as the years went on, I kind of stepped out of my comfort zone. I forced myself to be uncomfortable and kind of found myself and where I fit in the offense."

Herbert is the top prospect in Mobile this week, according to Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy. The Cincinnati Bengals will coach Herbert on the South squad, giving head coach Zac Taylor and his staff an up-close look at Herbert's assertiveness not only on the field, but in team meetings as well. Taylor extolled that advantage Monday, saying it's a perspective other NFL clubs can't get just from Senior Bowl interviews.

Hurts on Hurts. What does Jalen Hurts offer NFL clubs that Joe Burrow doesn't? The South squad quarterback wasn't going there when asked to compare himself with the former LSU star who is widely expected to be the first QB selected in the draft.

"I don't want to get into comparisons or things like that. That's kind of like the kiss of death," Hurts said. "I think I try and be the best version of myself. ... Keep your head down and go to work -- everybody has an opinion, and rightfully so, but I control what I can control. My effort, my mindset, my mental approach to handle my business."

Truth is, the two aren't much alike as prospects. Burrow stands 6-foot-4 and is more of a pure passer, although he proved to be dangerous as a runner in 2019 as well. Hurts measured at 6-foot-1 at the Senior Bowl on Tuesday and brings a resume as a rusher like no other quarterback in Mobile this week. He ran for 1,298 yards at OU last year and has over 3,000 for his college career, with a strong lower body that translates for both power and speed. According to an AFC scout, accuracy and ball placement are the traits Hurts needs to show most in Senior Bowl practices.

Loving Mahomes. Former Utah State QB Jordan Love said Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes is his favorite quarterback to watch in the NFL today, and relishes comparisons between himself and the new AFC champion QB, as you might expect from any prospect mentioned with a reigning NFL MVP.

"Both (of us) have strong arms. He obviously can make some ridiculous throws, off-schedule (throws) and stuff like that," Love said. "It's something I've seen and tried out with my game, being able to make throws like that. I hope to be on the same platform as him."

One area where the two don't compare at all is hand size. Mahomes' measured at 9 1/4 inches at the 2017 NFL Scouting Combine, considered acceptable but on the small side by NFL scouts who value larger hands in quarterbacks for ball security reasons. Love had the biggest hands of any quarterback at the Senior Bowl, measuring 10 5/8 inches.

Love struggled last season in throwing an FBS-high 17 interceptions in a season of adjustments, as he lost most of his key targets from a prolific 2018 season and played under a new coaching staff in 2019. Love said he forced the ball downfield too often last year in certain situations, and believes it will be crucial for him this week to show scouts he can make smarter decisions and read the field effectively.


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Kinlaw likes Panthers. The aforementioned Javon Kinlaw got a strong vibe from the Carolina Panthers after meeting with new coach Matt Rhule and other club staffers on Sunday evening.

"I know they like me, for sure. A whole lot," said the former South Carolina defensive tackle. "They have some free agency guys (on the defensive line), so I definitely feel like I could go in there and make something happen."

Nagy called Kinlaw likely the second-best draft prospect in Mobile this week, behind Herbert.

Dugger staying at safety? Lenoir-Rhyne S Kyle Dugger said he was initially told by Nagy to be prepared to be asked to participate in some linebacker drills this week, but is beginning to wonder if it will happen.

"I haven't heard any more about it, so right now it looks like I'll just be at safety," he said.

At a shade under 6-foot-1 and 217 pounds, Dugger was massive for a Division-II safety and is considered one of the top D-II players in Mobile this week. His size and power as a tackler have led some scouts to consider him more of a hybrid linebacker who could play effectively in coverage against running backs and tight ends on passing downs.

Extra points. Auburn OT Prince Tega Wanogho is one of several players who were withheld from the game following their physical examinations upon arrival. Wanogho said fluid in his knee caused some swelling and forced him to sit out the week, but he intends remain in Mobile to interview with clubs and attend South team meetings. ... Alabama DL Raekwon Davis was a late withdrawal from the Senior Bowl due to an ankle injury.

Chromeburn 01-21-2020 11:33 PM

Todd Mcshay talking about the first day

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/i...ft-risers-more

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The first practices of the 2020 Senior Bowl, an invite-only showcase of the top upperclassmen in the country, are in the books.

With one session down for each team, NFL draft experts Todd McShay and Steve Muench break down how the best prospects fared on Day 1, which under-the-radar prospects are rising and more. Ten participants in last year's event ended up being 2019 first-round picks. Who might join them in 2020?

Tune in for coverage of the rest of the workouts on Wednesday and Thursday at 1:30 p.m. ET on ESPNU/ESPN App. The game is Saturday at 2:30 p.m. ET on NFL Network.


McSHAY'S QUARTERBACK REPORT
Let's look at how the signal-callers did on Day 1 (rankings are from Scouts Inc.):


Justin Herbert, Oregon
Team: South | QB ranking: 3

Herbert is very clearly the most talented quarterback on the field, and that's going to work in his favor. The Senior Bowl is a great opportunity for him to stand out and firmly entrench himself as a first-rounder. On Tuesday, he looked natural with his footwork, showcased some athleticism and was consistently accurate. Throw in his 6-foot-6, 227-pound size and 10-inch hands, and you can see why scouts like his physical traits.


Jordan Love, Utah State
Team: North | QB ranking: 6

My early impression is that Love stands to benefit from this week as much as anyone else on the field. Some scouts still think he might have Round 1 potential, and he performed well in Day 1 workouts. He moves well, extending plays and effectively throwing on the run. And he certainly has a good arm and isn't afraid to use it. I'd like to see him work on consistency and protecting the football, though. He takes risks. But you can see the talent, and I'm excited to see how he performs the rest of the week.


Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma
Team: South | QB ranking: 9

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Hurts is smart, possesses a good arm and is super athletic. But he just has to be more accurate. His ball placement was very inconsistent Tuesday -- as it was during the season -- and frankly, it's a difficult area to improve. He ended his season with a 15-of-31 performance in the College Football Playoff semifinal, and he picked right up where he left off in his first Senior Bowl workout. I love the way he competes and battles, but that accuracy issue is going to hold him back.


Anthony Gordon, Washington State
Team: North | QB ranking: 8

I didn't see as many reps from Gordon as I would have liked on Tuesday, but he missed some throws and seemed to be playing a little fast at times. I do like his game, but he really needs to find a rhythm over the next few days. When he settles in, the Day 3 quarterback has some game.


Steven Montez, Colorado
Team: South | QB ranking: 13

Montez has a big arm. But while he can drive the ball vertically, he is often late on timing throws. Rather than anticipating, he wants to see his target open or facing him before throwing. That's an issue. He has good 6-foot-4, 240-pound size, but his feet looked slow during drills. And when going through his progressions, his feet aren't always tied to his eyes, leading to some off-balance throws.


Shea Patterson, Michigan
Team: North | QB ranking: 16

Patterson's 6-foot-1 size was pretty surprising to me (he is listed as 6-2 at Michigan). It's not the end-all, be-all, but it's worth noting. He went through some ups and downs on Tuesday, missing some easy throws. I'd like to see him tighten that up as the week goes on. He is a Day 3 guy at this point.



DAY 1 DRAFT RISERS
These are the under-the-radar prospects who had a strong day of practice Tuesday and whose college tape deserves closer inspection:


Devin Duvernay, WR, Texas
Team: South

Duvernay's top-end speed is decent, but it was his quickness in getting off the line and then transitioning upfield after the catch that really stood out all day long. He was consistently open and looked very natural making the catch and then turning and going. Duvernay is undersized at 5-foot-11, but make no mistake: He produces. He hauled in 106 balls for 1,386 yards and nine touchdowns this season. A likely midrounder in April, Duvernay was really fun to watch on Tuesday. -- McShay

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Davon Hamilton, DT, Ohio State
Team: North

For a guy who came in at 327 pounds, Hamilton looked quick, carrying his weight well in practice. He got into blockers, driving them back and redefining the line of scrimmage. He particularly stood out in one-on-one drills both against the run and as a pass-rusher. While Hamilton definitely has some room to grow as a hand-fighter, you can see he has violent hands and good snap. He's someone to keep an eye on. -- Muench


Troy Pride Jr., CB, Notre Dame
Team: North

Plain and simple, no one could run past him all day. Pride has tremendous speed, and it was on full display in Mobile on Tuesday. I have him as a Day 2 guy right now, and he's someone to watch. -- McShay


Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina
Team: South

Kinlaw was unblockable Tuesday -- the most impressive defensive lineman I saw. He has length and quick hands, and he's really tough to stop coming through the middle. Kinlaw beat Clemson guard John Simpson clean at one point. We have him ranked No. 14 at Scouts Inc. right now, and he looked every bit the part of an early first-rounder. -- Muench



QUICK HITTERS
Here are some additional scouting notes on players who stood out on the practice field:

McShay:

I love the talent of Wisconsin outside linebacker Zack Baun. He measured at 6-foot-2, 240 pounds, and he is quicker than he is given credit for. Baun is a really instinctive player, and you could see it on Tuesday. I have him as an early Day 2 pick right now.

James Proche, a wide receiver out of SMU, stood out for me. He looked great catching punts, exuding natural ability and lots of confidence.

UCLA cornerback Darnay Holmes had a really good Tuesday workout. He is flying under the radar a bit after dealing with some injuries this season, but he has some serious wheels.

Georgia Southern cornerback Kindle Vildor was sticky in man-to-man coverage on Tuesday and tracks the vertical ball very well. Not many people knew him coming in, but he stands to make a name for himself this week. He had a big interception downfield and then another on a tipped ball.

Lamical Perine runs behind his shoulder pads. I saw it during the Orange Bowl, and I saw it again Tuesday at practice. He is a bit small, but the Florida running back has good forward lean and always finishes falling forward.

Muench:

South Carolina State's Alex Taylor and St. Johns (Minnesota)'s Ben Bartch went through some ups and downs on Day 1, but they also competed. For a couple of lesser-known, small-school guys, Tuesday was a good jumping-off point. I'm excited to see how these Day 3 value picks perform the rest of the week.

Temple center Matt Hennessy was steady Tuesday. He won't wow you with power and lacks natural ability, and he was beaten a few times. But he gets into position and is the definition of making the most of what you've got.

Penn State defensive tackle Robert Windsor is a candidate to rise this week. Despite being a little heavier than expected, he showed good quickness. I'm keeping a close eye on the midrounder right through the weekend.

Overall, I felt the defensive line got the better of the offensive side in the trenches Tuesday. I'd characterize the offensive line play as choppy, with too many offside jumps. Both team's units need to jell a bit this week and get in sync.

Chromeburn 01-21-2020 11:55 PM

So it obviously will be important to watch the QB's this week. I think Herbert, Hurts, Love, and Gordan are all potentials picks if they go QB. At least there is a good chance his first name starts with a J.

If we don't go QB, another J name is Javon Kinlaw and my top choice. I think he will show off what he has got this week. Huge at 6-6, athletic, and disruptive. He doesn't have a ton of sacks but he always seems to blow up plays. Equally disruptive against the run and pass. I almost like him better than Brown who I see as more of a run plugger; kind of like Suh. I think Kinlaw will bring great pressure up the middle as a 3-tech and will be a nitemare for guys to block. Ballard talked about the pressure up the middle being the driving force in this style defense and that starts with a good 3-tech. So you know Ballard is thinking about the position. If we like him, we might becareful of teams trading above us to get him. There is some fall-off after him and you are looking at guys later in the 2nd round. Carolina and Denver have shown an interest in him.

I also like Duverney, the Texas WR in the later rounds. I have been following him all season. His coaches were raving about his hands in spring practices and they said he had the best hands on the team and maybe in the whole conference. He has great short area quickness and runs great routes causing separation. But his long speed is only decent. What I really like about him is his toughness, the guy runs like a running back and is thickly built for the rigors of the NFL. When they played LSU early in the year he took on Grant Delpit, one of the top safeties this year, and he hit Delpit so hard I think he almost knocked him out. Delpit tried to tackle him and Duverney knocked him to the ground.

Thing is, he mainly works out of the slot, Cambell's spot, and he isn't an athletic freak. But I like him and I think he represents a toughness and steadiness they could use in the WR core.

Luck4Reich 01-22-2020 08:09 AM

I really like Javon Kinlaw. I think he could be the kind of guy added to this Defense that would put the D well on it's way to a top 10 Defense. Obviously adding some more strength to the secondary along with that.

Kinlaw is a game destroyer for opposing offense.

YDFL Commish 01-22-2020 07:54 PM

From everything I've seen/read so far I would be ecstatic with either Kinlaw, Herbert or Lamb at #13. I know that Lamb isn't in the Senior Bowl...But I would still be happy just the same.

Actually, Jeudy would be fine at #13 as well.

Chromeburn 01-22-2020 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 152367)
From everything I've seen/read so far I would be ecstatic with either Kinlaw, Herbert or Lamb at #13. I know that Lamb isn't in the Senior Bowl...But I would still be happy just the same.

Actually, Jeudy would be fine at #13 as well.

I would be fine with any of the top guys really. Kinlaw seems like a realistic possibility, one of the LT's, maybe one of the top 7-8 drop, I hate to take a WR so high but Jeudy and Lamb look like franchise WR's.

Chromeburn 01-22-2020 11:14 PM

DAY 2 Reports
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...s-bears-eye-te


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MOBILE, Ala. -- With Reese's Senior Bowl week in full swing, 100-plus prospects for the 2020 NFL Draft are in the midst of a crucial job interview. NFL.com's Lance Zierlein and Chase Goodbread provide a look at standouts from Day 2, as well as notes from NFL scouts and Wednesday's media sessions.

Tune in for one-hour 2020 Senior Bowl Practice recap shows Tuesday, Jan. 21-Thursday, Jan. 23 at 8 p.m. ET on NFL Network and watch the Senior Bowl game live on NFL Network as well as the NFL and Network apps at 2:30 p.m. ET on Saturday, Jan. 25.

Five stars from Day 2 of Senior Bowl practice
Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon. I came into this week thinking Herbert was the best quarterback here in Mobile, and he's only solidified that belief with his performance through his first couple Senior Bowl practices. He looks confident out there and he's not making many mistakes with his decisions. And this is a crucial week for him. Where he ends up going in the draft will be determined more by how he fares this week than his showing at the NFL Scouting Combine. Everyone knows he has the talent of a first-round, franchise QB, but the big question for him at this event is how does he lead his teammates? How does he step up and perform consistently? The Senior Bowl gives him a better stage to display his abilities in those areas than the combine, and he's been up to the challenge to this point. I've been very impressed with his intermediate tosses across the field. Those are throws not everyone can make, but he made it look kind of easy.


Van Jefferson, WR, Florida. On tape, right off the bat, you can see Jefferson's a coach's son based on how he competes (his father, Shawn, is a former NFL receiver who currently serves as the New York Jets' WRs coach). Van's production with the Gators wasn't great, but when you ask around about that issue, the fact that UF's QB play has been inconsistent pops up quite a bit. I know this much: His routes are impeccable. His ability to get open underneath and disguise his breaks is really fun to watch. He made tight-window catches against some pretty good corners on Wednesday. If he's able to break a 4.5-second 40-yard dash at the combine, he's going to get pushed up the draft board. Wherever he goes, he has a chance to outperform his draft position.

Josh Jones, OT, Houston. Jones had some ups and downs during Tuesday's practice -- it's not uncommon for offensive linemen to start off a little slower than defensive linemen at the Senior Bowl -- but on Wednesday, he was impressive. He got into Wisconsin LB Zack Baun -- one of the top performers on Tuesday -- and moved him down the field. In pass pro, he was shutting people down. I talked to some personnel people here who shared my enthusiasm for his performance. He looks better than Tytus Howard did here last year. I think Jones is a second-round tackle, but it won't be a surprise if he gets pushed up the board, just like Howard, who went to the Texans in Round 1 last year, did. He's a physical specimen and a lock to go in the top 40. He's just too long, too athletic, and has too much potential at left tackle to last long in the draft.

Terrell Burgess, DB, Utah. Burgess' versatility is standing out in practice. He played safety and nickelback for the Utes, but I think he'll play nickel in the NFL. He's really instinctive, twitchy and anticipates well. When there's a catch to be made, he's going to be in there trying to break it up. He did it as a matchup corner on Wednesday, and then he did it as a safety, when he was lining up against tight ends and running backs during drills. He'll also support the run, which is something you have to have from your nickel corner. He has the ball skills and athletic ability to be a Day 2 (Rounds 2-3) pick.

Troy Pride Jr., CB, Notre Dame. I knew coming into the week that Pride had the speed and athleticism teams look for at corner. I just didn't see him making a lot of plays when I watched his tape. But out here, that wasn't an issue for him. He was making plenty of plays. In fact, it seemed like he was in on every play. He was up against a bunch of receivers with good size -- USC's Michael Pittman, Baylor's Denzel Mims, Liberty's Antonio Gandy-Golden -- and I thought Pride did a really nice job, especially on Pittman. He made it very difficult for those guys to make catches, and might have made himself some money in the process.

-- Lance Zierlein

What we learned from NFL scouts, Nick Saban and more
From the scouts. Multiple scouts have been impressed with OT Ben Bartch, a rare Division-III invite to the Senior Bowl from Saint John's. Bartch, on the South squad, has largely held his own in practice reps against a strong group of pass rushers who are vastly more physical than the competition he faced at St. John's. An area scout for an NFC team said Bartch shares some similar traits to the Senior Bowl's last D-III success story on the offensive line, Ali Marpet of Hobart College, although Marpet played guard rather than tackle. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers selected Marpet in the second round in 2018. ... South Carolina State OL Alex Taylor, whose length is like no other prospect in Mobile at 6-foot-8 with arms of 36-plus inches, has struggled with some of the South's top defensive linemen. According to an area scout for an AFC team, Taylor lacks the necessary anchor strength in pass protection, but is more of a project as a draft prospect, one who could develop nicely in a year or two but wouldn't likely be a ready-made NFL starter. ... A scout for an AFC team noted Lenoir-Rhyne's Kyle Dugger struggled to catch punts on Tuesday in windy conditions, looking rusty in that role after missing the latter half of the season with an injury. Dugger looked more comfortable catching punts on Wednesday in dealing with several offerings of 50-plus yards from South Carolina's Joseph Charlton. ... Texas Tech OT Terence Steele, on the South squad, has struggled with the quickness the South pass rushers have displayed this week, according to a personnel executive for an AFC team. Alabama's Terrell Lewis, who is working with defensive linemen in Mobile, beat Steele for a strip of Colorado QB Steven Montez late in Wednesday's team drills.

Bears eyeing in-demand TE. North squad TE Adam Trautman of Dayton has been in high demand this week for interviews with clubs.

"Literally, I had a guy reach around and grab me by the stomach and was like 'Hey, I need to talk to you,' " Trautman said, recounting one encounter from a busy hotel lobby here in Mobile.

Dayton head coach Rick Chamberlin has been in town this week to support the Flyers team captain, who set career bests in 2019 in receptions (70), yards (916) and touchdowns (14). Trautman said the Chicago Bears have shown strong early interest.

"They're interested in me," said Trautman. "They tell me they like what they see."

Davis' decision. NFL scouts didn't get a chance to see Alabama defensive lineman Raekwon Davis this week after the Crimson Tide senior was a late withdrawal due to an ankle injury. It was apparently a decision Davis wrestled with, as UA coach Nick Saban said Davis reached out to him over the weekend for advice just a day before players reported to Mobile.

"Raekwon called me on Saturday and said 'I'm still a little injured -- my ankle's still bothering me,' and I said 'Look, it's a simple decision. If you can go create value for yourself because you're healthy (enough), you need to go play because it's a great opportunity for you. If you don't feel like you can do that, don't play, but make sure you let them know so they can get somebody else."

Davis (6-foot-7, 312 pounds) was thought to be a strong candidate for early draft entry in 2019, but drop-off in his play compelled him to return for his senior season. He recorded just half a sack in doing so, which made the Senior Bowl an ideal opportunity to show NFL scouts that his potential is greater than his production.

Humble Herbert. There's never a shortage of draft prospects willing to make their case as the No. 1 pick of the NFL draft, no matter how slight the likelihood. Oregon QB Justin Herbert has no shortage of confidence, either, but he wasn't biting on Wednesday when asked if his performance at the Senior Bowl could open the door to him being the top selection, which is held by the Cincinnati Bengals -- the team coaching his South squad this week.

"I don't know, that's for (teams) to decide. I'm here to compete, have fun, it's an experience that not too many people get to come play football out here," Herbert said. Herbert is arguably the top draft prospect in Mobile and, as my notebook partner Lance Zierlein mentioned earlier in this piece, threw effectively on Wednesday as bitter cold and windy conditions in Mobile early in the week gave way to milder temperatures.

Injury update. Auburn DE Marlon Davidson, one of the Senior Bowl's top draft prospects, will miss the remainder of the practice week with an ankle injury. Davidson attended South squad practice on Wednesday in a walking boot. Also out for the week with an injury is Vanderbilt RB Ke'Shawn Vaughn, according to Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy. Like Davidson, Vaughn attended the South practice and is expected to remain in town for evening interviews with NFL club personnel.

Quotable. "I think you have to ask him that. Look, I get it when players make those choices and decisions and that's their prerogative to do that and we're supportive of what they do, but I think you need to ask him that." -- Alabama coach Nick Saban on his thoughts about edge rusher Terrell Lewis skipping Alabama's bowl game but competing at the Senior Bowl.

Chromeburn 01-22-2020 11:57 PM

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/i...ft-risers-more

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McSHAY'S QUARTERBACK REPORT
Let's look at how the signal-callers did on Days 1 and 2 (rankings are from Scouts Inc.).

Justin Herbert, Oregon
Team: South | QB ranking: 3

Day 2: One of the things you look for during Senior Bowl week is how the best of the best take on a leadership role. No matter the locker room, players follow the guys who are playing winning football. And because Herbert obviously is the best quarterback on the field this week, everyone seems to be following him. Not only has he played really well so far, he is taking on a leadership role and continues to come out of his shell.


Jordan Love, Utah State
Team: North | QB ranking: 6

Day 2: Yet again, Love had a good day. He wasn't perfect, and he missed a few throws. But the Senior Bowl allows for apples-to-apples evaluations -- seeing prospects side by side -- and Love is standing out among the North QBs. He hit a good deep ball down the left sideline that really showed his arm strength. I'm not sure I see the consistency of a Round 1 quarterback yet, and he needs some work keeping his feet in balance, but he has upside and needs just a little development. He needs to land in the right place with the right coach.


Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma
Team: South | QB ranking: 9

Day 2: The accuracy problems were in play again, but I did like the way he got the ball out on a few timing throws Wednesday. He flashes that ability. On one deep out route to the left side, he found LSU tight end Stephen Sullivan on a nice ball. The throw was a little high, but he had perfect timing on it. I want to see more of that.


Anthony Gordon, Washington State
Team: North | QB ranking: 8

Day 2: Gordon didn't stand out in a positive or negative way on Wednesday -- he was just solid. He missed a few throws that he normally hits, and he still looked like he was playing fast. But the Day 3 quarterback plays with touch and timing, and he has worked with full-field progressions in Mike Leach's system at Washington State. There's some potential there.


Steven Montez, Colorado
Team: South | QB ranking: 13

Day 2: The slow footwork stood out on Wednesday. Montez struggles to bring his feet around, and he has to work on keeping his feet married to his eyes when staying in the pocket. There is some talent there, and I actually think he looks better on the move when the play breaks down. Montez has some creativity to his game.


Shea Patterson, Michigan
Team: North | QB ranking: 16

Day 2: You can tell Patterson is really fighting and trying to be the guy. He made some good throws on Wednesday but has to get the ball out quicker. Patterson has this unique shot-put delivery that actually helps him get it out on deep shots. He hit a nice one down the left side on Wednesday. But that delivery is a big liability on short-to-intermediate throws, giving defensive linemen an opportunity to bat the pass. UNC's Jason Strowbridge batted two in a row from Patterson.


STANDOUTS AND DRAFT RISERS FROM WEDNESDAY
These prospects had a strong day of practice on Wednesday, and their college tape deserves closer inspection.

Van Jefferson, WR, Florida
Team: South

Jefferson doesn't have elite speed or quickness, and his 6-foot-1 frame doesn't stand out. But his route running is extremely impressive. He found his way open a lot on Wednesday. His dad is a wide receivers coach, and you can tell he wants to learn about the position. He sought out former NFL wide receiver Torry Holt after practice just to talk with him. Scouts notice that type of stuff. Jefferson is a midrounder in a deep receiver class, but he's doing the right things this week. -- McShay


Jason Strowbridge, DL, North Carolina
Team: North

Strowbridge had another strong practice on Wednesday. His hands and quickness stand out, as do his instincts in pass-rush drills. On one rep, he wowed by getting a good push and then spinning back inside once he was even with the QB. Strowbridge also batted down two passes in team drills. A fringe Day 2 prospect at the moment, he looks stout for a player with his 6-foot-4, 267-pound size when he plays inside -- but he is versatile and can play inside or outside. -- Muench


Terrell Lewis, OLB, Alabama
Team: South

Lewis is one of the most talented players in Mobile, and he stood out with his speed on Wednesday. No doubt about it. However, he needs to be more consistent using his hands and could get a little stronger. Lewis is a pure speed rusher right now, and offensive linemen aren't too worried about being pushed over by him. But if he gets a bit stronger and gets his hands in on blockers, he's going to be a problem off the edge. He might find his way into Round 1. -- McShay


Adam Trautman, TE, Dayton
Team: North

Trautman crashes with his hands, and I really like the way he gets out of breaks. He is a natural runner after the catch, making guys miss and using his free hand to keep would-be tacklers at bay. Trautman, a likely midrounder, looked especially good during a one-on-one tackling drill. -- Muench


QUICK HITTERS
Here are some additional scouting notes on players who stood out on the practice field.

McSHAY:

Day 2

Javon Kinlaw is a physical freak. Man, if he ends up on the right team and and is developed properly, he can be a premier interior lineman. Yes, he didn't play particularly well down the stretch, but he has impressed through two days at the Senior Bowl. Physically speaking, he's one of the best here.

You look at some of these LSU and Clemson guys, and it's worth noting that the College Football Playoff national title game was Jan. 13. It's been barely a week since some experienced the biggest letdown of their college careers and some experienced the incredible high of winning it all. Those players need to store all that away in under 10 days and realize it's time to go back to work. That's impressive, and it's worth pointing out.



MUENCH:

Day 2

Safety Jeremy Chinn is easy to spot on the field because of his 6-foot-3 frame. A playmaker at Southern Illinois, he looked good going up to get the ball during drills. Chinn played some corner in college, and while he is a far better fit at safety, he looked athletic during press drills. And I liked his instincts in zone coverage on Wednesday. He's a midrounder with a chance to climb.

UCLA running back Joshua Kelley showed smooth feet and good vision in 9-on-7 drills. There is no wasted motion with him -- Kelley sees the hole and hits the hole. That continued into the team period of practice. He could end up as a really good Day 3 pick.

Michigan State defensive end Kenny Willekes flashed all day on Wednesday. He made a tackle for loss in 9-on-7. And then the midrounder displayed good hands on an inside move on a speed rush in one-on-one drills. Willekes has a great motor.

Lenoir Rhyne safety Kyle Dugger showed off his ball skills Wednesday, undercutting a route for an interception during one-on-one drills before later tracking an over-the-shoulder pass thrown over his head during drills for another.

FAU tight end Harrison Bryant hasn't disappointed. He's quick enough to separate, and he catches the ball well. On Wednesday, Bryant looked competitive during one-on-one pass protection drills, too.

I mentioned him yesterday, but Penn State defensive tackle Robert Windsor is worth bringing up again after flashing for a second day in a row. He did jump offside at one point, and he can give up ground when he's late off the ball, but he's a problem when he gets off the ball and uses his hands.

Spike 01-23-2020 12:43 AM

Herbert and Love are the only QB's I am looking at. And I am not sure about those two. The rest are just meh!

JAFF 01-23-2020 07:26 AM

I don't have the time to follow college football so I appreciate the stuff that's being posted.

Question for those who do follow college football. Is there a DT 3 technique in this draft worth a #1 or high #2 in this draft?

Dam8610 01-23-2020 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 152399)
I don't have the time to follow college football so I appreciate the stuff that's being posted.

Question for those who do follow college football. Is there a DT 3 technique in this draft worth a #1 or high #2 in this draft?

Javon Kinlaw

YDFL Commish 01-23-2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 152408)
Javon Kinlaw


Yeah, he's the only one. I consider Neville Gallimore to be more of a 2nd round prospect.

Chromeburn 01-23-2020 04:25 PM

On Tuesday Reich and our scouts were right up front watching Herbert practice. I think they are definitely looking at the QB's.

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure/st...15759376666630

Also a lot of the buzz coming out about the players can be hit and miss. I would be reading great things about a player and then another guy would tweet the exact opposite. It is kind of funny how two different media could watch the same thing and come away with totally different impressions.

rcubed 01-23-2020 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 152435)
On Tuesday Reich and our scouts were right up front watching Herbert practice. I think they are definitely looking at the QB's.

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure/st...15759376666630

Also a lot of the buzz coming out about the players can be hit and miss. I would be reading great things about a player and then another guy would tweet the exact opposite. It is kind of funny how two different media could watch the same thing and come away with totally different impressions.

of course they are looking at QBs. Question is will they like one enough to take him?

Puck 01-23-2020 10:52 PM

Take KINLAW!!!!!

Luck4Reich 01-24-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 152465)
Take KINLAW!!!!!

Yeah.. if he is there and Ballard doesnt take him I will probably need a new TV.

You got to take the guy that fills that much of a need. Colts fans need to see this guy on this team. Just imagine the other guys games with Kinlaw in there. Leonard, Houton etc

Do it Ballard!

albany ed 01-24-2020 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 152487)
Yeah.. if he is there and Ballard doesnt take him I will probably need a new TV.

You got to take the guy that fills that much of a need. Colts fans need to see this guy on this team. Just imagine the other guys games with Kinlaw in there. Leonard, Houton etc

Do it Ballard!

You need to trust. They've done a shitload more research than anyone on this board. I still remember the year we had the 4th choice and three QBs were selected 1,2,3. I was thinking, YES! We were getting Ricky Williams and then they selected Edge. I didn't know much about Edge, but I didn't see him as a better choice than Ricky Williams.

Spike 01-24-2020 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 152488)
You need to trust. They've done a shitload more research than anyone on this board. I still remember the year we had the 4th choice and three QBs were selected 1,2,3. I was thinking, YES! We were getting Ricky Williams and then they selected Edge. I didn't know much about Edge, but I didn't see him as a better choice than Ricky Williams.

Yeah, I remember that very well. I was fit to be tied, I thought there was no way we weren't taking Williams. Shows you how much I fucking know, basically nothing.

The other draft I remember was when the Colts didn't take Dilfer. Mel Kiper was very critical of the Colts for not taking him. I was too, but Dilfer didn't turn out to be a very good QB.

So yes, you need to trust!

Butter 01-24-2020 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 152488)
You need to trust. They've done a shitload more research than anyone on this board. I still remember the year we had the 4th choice and three QBs were selected 1,2,3. I was thinking, YES! We were getting Ricky Williams and then they selected Edge. I didn't know much about Edge, but I didn't see him as a better choice than Ricky Williams.

Apparently they knew more about his love of weed than we did.

Chromeburn 01-24-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 152495)
Apparently they knew more about his love of weed than we did.

The social anxiety worried me more. I think the weed actually helped with the social anxiety. That’s where the interviews come into play. Also Ditka got exposed for his lack of front office prep and research.

Chromeburn 01-24-2020 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 152399)
I don't have the time to follow college football so I appreciate the stuff that's being posted.

Question for those who do follow college football. Is there a DT 3 technique in this draft worth a #1 or high #2 in this draft?

As an FYI. Kinlaw left the senior bowl Wednesday after some tendinitis in his knee. It was a precautionary step, I think he did what he set out to do.

If we don’t take a DT in the first. Gallimore is an option in the early second. Or players like Jason Stowbridge from North Carolina, who had a good week. He was a light DT that should play on end. But he fits our mold of light guys who can play outside then move inside on passing downs. He has a very good week. Or the Missouri DT Jordan Elliot who has a very quick step and who I think is very under appreciated right now.

albany ed 01-24-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 152501)
The social anxiety worried me more. I think the weed actually helped with the social anxiety. That’s where the interviews come into play. Also Ditka got exposed for his lack of front office prep and research.

Not only was I not familiar with Edge, I didn't know of any RW problems. I only knew of his awesome career at Texas. When they passed on Ricky, I still felt, well if you don't want him, then trade with Ditka who was offering the world for him.

rcubed 01-24-2020 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 152490)
Yeah, I remember that very well. I was fit to be tied, I thought there was no way we weren't taking Williams. Shows you how much I fucking know, basically nothing.

The other draft I remember was when the Colts didn't take Dilfer. Mel Kiper was very critical of the Colts for not taking him. I was too, but Dilfer didn't turn out to be a very good QB.

So yes, you need to trust!

yeah, and that time we took bjorn werner and phillip dorsett in back to back years. good times!

Luck4Reich 01-24-2020 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 152517)
yeah, and that time we took bjorn werner and phillip dorsett in back to back years. good times!

Well you know all that research they do...

Chromeburn 01-25-2020 12:45 PM

List of top Performers at the Senior Bowl overall

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/galle...s-of-the-week/



Day 3 standouts

Video interview with one of the PFF evaluators talking about the QBs

Yahoo Sports


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MOBILE, Ala. — Thursday’s Senior Bowl practices had a different feel to them with both the North and South Team sessions moving over to the University of South Alabama covered football facility for the final day of practices before Saturday’s game.

Rain was the reason for the move from outdoor Ladd-Peebles Stadium, although there wasn’t as much accumulation as expected. But it also provided a possible sneak peak at the game’s future practice location.

Rumors have swirled for more than a year that the Senior Bowl will consider moving the practices and game from the dilapidated Ladd-Peebles to the USA campus once their new stadium project is completed. It’s expected to be finished by August.


Referees also were on hand again Wednesday’s practices, and they made their presence felt — flags were flying throughout both teams’ sessions, especially during the red-zone and two-minute drill portions

But we believe it also showed the disparity between the talent at wide receiver and cornerback for this week. Like the 2020 NFL draft class as a whole, the WR talent this week has been mostly terrific. On the flip side, some of the corners and safeties — though not all — have struggled at times.

Here were the standout performers from both the North team (coached by the Detroit Lions) and the South (coached by the Cincinnati Bengals):

Day 3 winners

Oregon QB Justin Herbert (North team)

I’ll likely go into more depth on stacking all the quarterbacks at week’s end, but Herbert has topped the group. He’s been consistently good every single day down here, earning the first-team reps immediately and throwing the ball with accuracy and conviction.

Herbert has good mobility and sets his feet quickly on his pass drops. Even with some pressure in his face during team work on Wednesday, he never looked panicked and typically found open men to connect with. Herbert’s balls have come out clean and on target, and he shined in all the situational work.

If there’s one knock is maybe that he hasn’t been the most aggressive QB down here — that’s likely Jordan Love, who consistently took more chances downfield — but that’s really the only knock that comes to mind. It’s been a productive week for Herbert down here, and the way things are going, there’s no reason to think he will fall in the draft past the first dozen or 15 picks at the farthest.


Liberty WR Antonio Gandy-Golden (North)

Gandy-Golden was this close to making our Wednesday winners list, but a dropped ball in the end zone yesterday put him on the cutting-room floor. It’s not happening again. Gandy-Golden has been mostly excellent this week, absolutely looking the part of an NFL receiver.

When the Lions went red zone, it was Gandy-Golden’s time to shine. He made several terrific toe-tapping, high-point grabs in the corner of the end zone against multiple corners and used his strong hands and good body positioning to win on slants and in-breaking routes.

Overall, it’s been a really promising week for the smaller-school wideout. Georgia Southern CB Kindle Vildor told us that Gandy-Golden was his toughest matchup all season, and that included games against LSU (Jordan Jefferson and Ja’Marr Chase) and Minnesota (Rashod Bateman and Tyler Johnson). That’s high praise, and the North corners have gotten a taste of what Vildor was talking about this week. We think Gandy-Golden is absolutely a top-100 player, and he could even rise to the late second-round or early third-round range.

Another receiver who really stood out — and he has been polished and productive all week — was Ohio State’s K.J. Hill. He made a spectacular one-handed grab on a ball thrown behind him and never lost his stride, and Hill’s technical ability is so clean and polished, giving many onlookers Terry McLaurin vibes.

McLaurin was a clear Senior Bowl standout a year ago, and he was a huge success as a rookie with the Washington Redskins. It speaks to the teaching ability of Buckeyes WR coach Brian Hartline, who is consistently churning out NFL-ready wideouts.


UCLA CB Darnay Holmes (South)

Maybe the best rivalry we didn’t see coming was that one that has brewed over the past three days between Holmes and Florida WR Van Jefferson. The two standouts have gone at their matchups tooth and nail, trash talking after nearly every one, and the scouts are just eating it up.

Chromeburn 01-25-2020 12:47 PM

Wideouts on Day 3

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...ance-on-day-3/

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MOBILE, Ala. -- While many of the consensus top receivers in this draft class are underclassmen such as Jerry Jeudy, CeeDee Lamb, Tee Higgins, and Laviska Shenault, the crop of wideouts at the Senior Bowl have reminded the masses of the insane depth at the position during practice this week -- specifically on Thursday.

Baylor's Denzel Mims has been the most impressive pass catcher in Mobile and built on two strong efforts Tuesday and Wednesday with an outstanding, well-rounded performance inside South Alabama's practice facility Thursday.

Mims was a track star in high school and routinely won down the field at Baylor. He showcased his nuanced ability to beat press coverage at the line with the suddenness to free himself to make room to kick it into top gear. It's a huge plus for Mims to prove to be capable of getting open at the short and intermediate levels here in Mobile to add to his standing as a straight-line burner. He's also essentially caught everything, including passes outside his frame with his arms extended over his head and out in front of him.

Probably even more impressive strictly from a route-running perspective, Ohio State's K.J. Hill has continued the recent trend of Buckeyes entering the pre-draft process extremely polished. On Thursday, Hill continued to get in the blind spots of corners before breaking off his route stem to create separation at ease, and, like Mims, he deployed his hands with a little shimmy to consistently beat physical press coverage. In team drills, he made a ridiculous one-handed grab on a drag route thrown behind him.

Liberty's Antonio Gandy-Golden, a power forward with the size and ball skills to rebound over cornerbacks, was quick off the line, then flipped on the jets to create room down the field, and, of course, tracked it wonderfully when defenders recovered. He has proven he can play with top competition this week at the Senior Bowl. Florida's Jefferson has shown route-running savvy too.

Other receivers who've gotten the better of the cornerbacks they've faced include the slippery James Proche from SMU, who has nifty lateral quicks and catches everything, Texas' Collin Johnson, a tall, long leaper who's found a way to get open at the intermediate level, and Notre Dame's wideout-who-might-actually-be-a-tight-end Chase Claypool. He's flat-out overpowered cornerbacks at the line and the catch point.

Dayton's Adam Trautman has inserted himself as a legitimate tight end prospect after this week. He's gotten open often, with linebackers and safeties seemingly surprised at how bouncy he is making cuts as a route runner and when he's exploding downfield. LSU's long-limbed tight end Stephen Sullivan has blazed down the seam and his gliding style has generated space for quarterbacks to get him the football. Major stock up for the former Tiger.

For the defensive enthusiasts, I have some good news. A handful of defenders did stand out on Thursday, most namely Oklahoma defensive tackle Neville Gallimore. His combination of first-step explosion, smoothness in his hips to change directions rapidly, and power in his active hands made him unblockable in one-on-one drills (and all week, really). Also upfront, NC State's Larell Murchison flashed a variety of moves to beat interior blockers on Thursday and showcased impressive speed in his rush.

Notre Dame corner Troy Pride continued his strong week thanks to his athleticism keeping him close to wideouts, and he's found the football better as it has arrived much better in Mobile than he did at Notre Dame in his career with the Fighting Irish. While slightly grabby, Pittsburgh's Dane Jackson has probably logged the most pass breakups this week, in both one-on-ones and team drills. He had two red-zone pass breakups on slants today. Jackson's instincts are outstanding, and he's as feisty as they come despite being somewhat undersized.

Alabama edge rusher Terrell Lewis has worked inside and out with his rushes, and his long arms have kept blockers off his frame. Much of the same goes for Florida's Jonathan Greenard, and he's bigger and more athletically gifted than Lewis.

Small-schoolers Jeremy Chinn from Southern Illinois and Lenoir Rhyne's Kyle Dugger flashed all week in coverage, both at 220 pounds, with tremendous athletic talents, length, recovery speed. They have nickel linebacker written all over them and are unquestionably on the early Day 3 radar at this point with a chance to continue to rise with strong showings at the combine.

Chromeburn 01-25-2020 12:49 PM

Senior Bowl Risers

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...wo-qbs-flashed

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Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks knows the ins and outs of this league, providing keen insight in his notebook. This week's edition is completely dedicated to one of the most important events of the pre-draft process ...

MOBILE, Ala. -- The Senior Bowl is viewed as the premier college all-star game due to the exceptional collection of talent on display in Mobile, Alabama. NFL coaches, general managers and scouts pay close attention to how prospects perform in an environment that pits elites vs. elites in every drill. Considering how much stock evaluators put into this week, I'd like to highlight this week's standouts -- and explore how their play here could impact their draft stock going forward. Here are my thoughts:

Who could be the next Daniel Jones?

The 2019 Senior Bowl helped Daniel Jones emerge as a surprise top-10 pick a year ago. This time around, the event could help Oregon's Justin Herbert and Utah State's Jordan Love crack the top 15 on draft night, despite the question marks around their respective games following so-so final seasons. Herbert has been the most consistent quarterback in attendance during the practice week, exhibiting all of the prototypical traits scouts covet in QB1s. Checking in at 6-foot-6 and 227 pounds with 10-inch hands, Herbert is a natural thrower with surprising movement skills and athleticism. The former Duck is an easy mover inside and outside of the pocket, and he flashes enough running ability to handle some of the zone-read and bootleg concepts that more NFL teams are featuring prominently in the playbook nowadays. Throwing the ball, Herbert has impressed scouts with his arm strength and overall arm talent, as he has routinely delivered strikes to his receivers on the perimeter. Herbert has shown good anticipation and timing on rhythm throws while also showcasing consistent ball placement throughout the week.

Love has been a steady climber throughout the week, with his performance improving daily. The 6-foot-3, 223-pound gunslinger has demanded the full attention of evaluators with his unique combination of blue-chip arm talent and enticing athleticism. Love can deliver spectacular throws from various arm angles and platforms, which has led some scouts to tout him as a potential Patrick Mahomes-like playmaker at the next level. While that is a lofty comparison, I can certainly see why evaluators are intrigued by his talent and potential after watching him drop some dimes in seven-on-seven and team drills. Although Love has been a little inconsistent with his ball placement and touch, he possesses enough natural talent to make you believe his game can be improved with detailed coaching at the next level. An imaginative coordinator could build an offense around his skill set that would allow Love to enjoy immediate success as a young starter, like some of his so-called "raw" predecessors, including Deshaun Watson, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Considering Love's eye-catching flashes throughout the practice week, the Utah State product could go sooner than expected in April.

Javon Kinlaw put on a show
If NFL scouts conducted a draft with only the 2020 Senior Bowl participants, Kinlaw would be the consensus No. 1 pick. The 6-5, 315-pound defensive lineman has been a one-man wrecking crew in drills, displaying an exceptional combination of strength, power and athleticism while pummeling blockers in one-on-one and team exercises. Kinlaw not only flashes his brute strength with jiujitsu-like hand skills, but he is explosive off the ball and his first-step quickness is problematic when he's given the freedom to play as a one-gap penetrator at the line of scrimmage. Although Kinlaw lined up primarily over the center or guard at South Carolina, he displayed enough athleticism to play as a 5-technique aligned opposite an offensive tackle in a 3-4 front. If I'm a team in need of an interior defender with a game that's similar to Pro Bowler Chris Jones, the conversation begins and ends with Kinlaw. Although the former Gamecock will not be participating in the game on Saturday -- he's sitting out with tendinitis in one of his knees, likely for precautionary reasons -- Kinlaw cemented himself as a first-round pick in Mobile.

The book on highly impressive WR Van Jefferson
The past few Senior Bowls have delivered some instant-impact pass catchers to the NFL. Guys like Deebo Samuel, Terry McLaurin and Cooper Kupp dazzled in Mobile, came off the board in Day 2 of the draft and quickly emerged as blue-chip-caliber playmakers for their respective squads. The next underrated Senior Bowl wideout to watch: Florida's Van Jefferson. The 6-1, 197-pounder is the most polished receiver in this group, and he dominated defensive backs with his crafty route-running skills all week. Jefferson's combination of patience, balance, body control and slick releases keeps defenders on their heels, and his explosive stop-start quickness leads to consistent separation at the top of the route. With Jefferson also displaying strong hands and exceptional ball skills, it is easy to envision him fitting into a system that places a premium on route running on the perimeter. Moreover, Jefferson's package of skills could enable him to become a rookie starter for a team looking for a consistent WR2 opposite an established lead receiver.


Two big-time tight end prospects from small schools

Super Bowl LIV will feature the two best tight ends in the game today, with Travis Kelce and George Kittle lining up for the Kansas City Chiefs and San Francisco 49ers, respectively. Studying the position at the Senior Bowl, you might want to keep your eyes on a pair of small-school guys: Florida Atlantic's Harrison Bryant and Dayton's Adam Trautman.

Bryant, the John Mackey Award winner, was the most impressive route runner on the roster. He moves around like a jumbo-sized receiver, exhibiting outstanding balance, body control, agility and quickness while blowing past defenders on vertical and intermediate routes. Bryant's subtle acceleration and burst catch defenders off guard, as he routinely wins on post routes and corners down the field. As a big-bodied pass catcher (6-4, 242 pounds) with strong hands and ball skills, he has the potential to emerge as a reliable chain mover in an offense that features the tight end prominently in third-down and red-zone packages. As a blocker, Bryant is a sticky position blocker with the desire and temperament to be effective as a flex or H-back on the edges.

Trautman could finish the pre-draft process ranked as the most complete tight end in the class, based on his combination of playmaking skills and blocking ability as an edge player. The 6-foot-5, 251-pounder is a well-rounded player with the combination of skills (hands, ball skills, athleticism, strength and blocking ability) to be a traditional tight end, which is a rare commodity in 2020. He has the capacity to move defenders off the ball on the edges, while also displaying enough athleticism and quickness to get to the second level. Trautman's scrappiness will serve him well as an in-line TE in the NFL. As a pass catcher, the former Dayton star is a fluid mover with superb route-running skills and sticky hands. He shows an uncanny knack for creating separation and also dazzled scouts with his ability to come down with 50-50 balls in traffic. Considering how a number of quarterbacks prefer targeting the tight end at intermediate and short range, Trautman's emergence as a standout in Mobile could lead to a substantial rise up the charts.

Will OT Josh Jones get a major Senior Bowl bounce?
Last year, Alabama State OT Tytus Howard worked his way into the first round, thanks in no small part to a strong performance at the Senior Bowl. I don't know if Josh Jones will crack the Round 1 barrier, but the Houston offensive tackle has certainly climbed the charts with a solid performance on the turf at Ladd-Peebles Stadium. The 6-5, 311-pound edge blocker looked like a natural blind-side protector in drills. Jones plays with balance and shows outstanding body control, deftly kick-sliding and mirroring pass rushers off the edge. He shows a strong stab and punch when he engages, and his ability to work his hands and feet in unison gives him a chance to stalemate hard-charging pass rushers off the edge.

As a run blocker, Jones displays enough athleticism, agility and body control to be effective in a zone-based scheme that requires offensive linemen to wall off linebackers on the second level. He also capably cuts off defensive ends on runs away from him, while showing enough strength and power to move defenders off the ball on the edge. Although he isn't a dominant people mover on the edge, he is effective and that's good enough to make him a solid fit in a variety of systems, particularly one that features the zone scheme.

When comparing Jones to some of the underclassman OTs in the draft, I believe his experience and consistency could set him apart. He played in a pass-centric offense at Houston that provided him with the opportunity to get as many reps as possible kick-sliding and handling swift rushers off the edge. Jones finished his collegiate career with 1,200-plus pass-blocking reps in three seasons, which is why he is so consistent and poised facing pass rushers on this big evaluation stage. With Jones winning the overwhelming majority of those reps, the NFL scouting community might want to revisit their fall grades on the Houston star.


Two late risers on defense

Prior to this week, UCLA's Darnay Holmes was a lightly regarded prospect due to his inconsistent play and injury history, but the former sought-after recruit has changed the narrative with an excellent week of practice. After watching him dazzle in drills, I believe the 5-10, 192-pound defender could be the best slot corner in the draft. Holmes' footwork, athleticism, competitiveness and instincts make him an ideal nickel back in most schemes, particularly with defensive coordinators searching for cover corners with the capacity to match up with the Julian Edelman/Cole Beasley types in the slot.

Keep an eye on North Carolina's Jason Strowbridge (I think this guy is on the Colts radar) as a potential late riser in the process following his performance in Mobile. The 6-4, 267-pound defensive end created quite the buzz in scouting circles with his play throughout the week. Evaluators raved about his quickness, athleticism and versatility, as he routinely blew past edge blockers in drills. Strowbridge's first-step quickness and burst stood out when evaluating his college tape, and his array of moves (speed rush, bull rush and spin move) could make him a disruptive force in a scheme that puts him in a position to play on the move. With the UNC standout also having experience at defensive tackle, he could see his value rise as a potential chess piece for a team employing a "NASCAR" scheme (four speed rushers on the field at the same time) in nickel situations.

Chromeburn 01-25-2020 12:54 PM

This article is worth checking out because it has lots of embedded clips and interviews, reports on the QB's also. So worth clicking the link.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2...l-draft-stock/


FYI: I said Reich was watching Herbert front and center on Tuesday. Apparently Dodd was practically Love's shadow all week.

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MOBILE, Ala. -- A year ago, Montez Sweat and Deebo Samuel arrived at the Senior Bowl as prospects with something to prove to the 32 NFL teams that still weren't sold on how the skills that made them so successful in college would translate to the next level.

Both players were dominant all week, and both players parlayed that into higher-than-expected draft picks; Sweat went 26th overall to the Redskins and 10 selections later, the 49ers took Samuel, who ended his rookie regular season No. 2 on the team in receptions (57) and receiving yards (802) behind only George Kittle.

All told, the 2019 Senior Bowl roster had 10 players go in the first round and 40 in the first three rounds. Those are mind-boggling numbers, but it felt like the 2020 group collectively had a better week than their predecessors from a year ago. At this point, just a day removed from the final practice, and still with Saturday's Senior Bowl game to be played, that's more anecdotal observation than empirical analysis but the takeaway remains the same: Expect many of the players on the field this week in Mobile to be playing on Sundays in the NFL next season.

With that in mind, here are 10 winners from practice week.

It's Senior Bowl Week, so which players have looked the best (and worst)? Ryan Wilson joins Will Brinson on the Pick Six Podcast to break down Justin Herbert, Jordan Love and evaluate draft stock for all the biggest names. Listen below and be sure to subscribe for daily NFL goodness.


Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon
We've written about Herbert all week and through three practices he has exceeded expectations in every way. He's shown off one of the best arms in this draft class, he has thrown accurately and on time during 1-on-1, 7-on-7 and 11-on-11, and he'll have a chance on Saturday to show what NFL teams they really want to see from him: His ability to command the huddle and be a leader.

“Was really excited for the opportunity to come back … I really worked on decision making this year, and got a good feel of the offense.”

Herbert is unquestionably a first-round talent, but he didn't play close to that level during his junior season in 2018. He returned in 2019 and was much more consistent, but questions will follow him throughout the draft process. Going strictly by the tape, Herbert played more like a second-round pick last season but his physical attributes, along with his good showing this week -- and the insatiable need for franchise quarterbacks -- will almost certainly see him be among the first 32 picks, and in all likelihood, he'll work his way into the top 15.


Jordan Love, QB, Utah State
Like Herbert, Love arrived in Mobile with a lot to prove. His 2019 tape was hard to watch at times, especially after his breakout 2018 campaign. There are many reasons for his struggles last season -- new coaching staff, new offensive line, many new skill-position players -- but Love admitted that part of the reason he regressed was that he was trying to do too much to help the team. In some ways, he was under less pressure in Mobile, where he's had a lot of experience working with new faces.

"I'm trying to go out there and showcase my ability and my talent."

Love was sharp in all three practices. And while the ball explodes out of Herbert's hand, Love's delivery was effortless -- and yet with similar arm strength. Love also showed much better touch on deep balls, something that we saw throughout his college career too.

But is he a first-round talent? Without a doubt. NFL teams will have to convince themselves they can limit the mistakes that plagued him in 2019 when he had 20 touchdowns and 17 interceptions, but much like Daniel Jones a year ago, Love will benefit from having much better players around him at the next level. In terms of his physical abilities, he's drawn comparisons to Patrick Mahomes, and like Mahomes, he'll need to spend a year on the bench before easing into a starting role.


Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor
We've been saying for months that the 2020 wide receivers class is deep. That was confirmed in Mobile and Mims had a breakout week. The Baylor wideout is 6-foot-3, 215 pounds, and caught everything thrown in his direction. He high-pointed the ball well, showed off a huge catch radius, got in and out of his breaks like someone 3-4 inches shorter, and routinely beat 1-on-1 coverage, often early in the route. This was from Thursday's practice but just as easily could've been from the two previous sessions:


Van Jefferson, WR, Florida
Jefferson is the son of former player and current Jets wide receivers coach Shawn Jefferson -- and he plays like it. Maybe the best route runner at the Senior Bowl, Jefferson regularly won against some of the best defensive backs in the country, and by the way, he was one of the fastest players in Mobile, too.

Coming into the week there were questions about why Jefferson didn't put up better numbers at Florida last season but if you want a crash course on what type a player he is, just watch the LSU game; he had eight catches for 72 yards and two touchdowns, often while lining up across from Derek Stingley Jr., arguably the best cornerback in college football.

Van Jefferson is so fluid and flexible as a route runner. Keeping his pads down, selling each step with his upper body and staying explosive by driving off his in-steps. Clinic tape.


Adam Trautman, TE, Dayton
Trautman has NFL size -- he's 6-foot-5, 251 pounds -- and he was at no point overwhelmed by better competition in Mobile. Trautman played at Datyon, an FCS program, but he was dominant throughout the week, both as a receiver and a blocker.

Dayton last had a player drafted in 1977, but that will change this year when Trautman will almost certainly be a Day 2 pick.


Josh Jones, OT, Houston
A year ago, Jones considered leaving school early to enter the NFL Draft and he would've likely been a Day 3 pick. Returning to Houston proved to be the right decision for the athletic left tackle because he had a strong 2019 season and continued to impress NFL teams here at the Senior Bowl. He's one of the most athletic offensive linemen in this draft class and that was obvious to even though half-paying attention in Mobile.

We've had Jones going in the first round in many of our weekly mock drafts prior to Senior Bowl week and that won't change based on what we saw this week.


Terrell Lewis, EDGE, Alabama
The biggest question facing Lewis coming into the 2019 campaign was if he could stay healthy. He missed 2018 with an ACL injury and most of 2017 with an elbow injury. But in 10 games last season he had 11.5 tackles for loss and six sacks, and he showed up in Mobile looking every bit the part of NFL Pass Rusher. He's 6-foot-5, 258 pounds and some NFL evaluators think he can add even more weight because at this stage of his development he's a much at getting into the backfield than dropping into coverage.

This rep against St. John's Ben Bartch is noteworthy not because Bartch is from a Division III school in Minnesota and would clearly have no chance against one of Alabama's best defensive players, but because Bartch balled out all week, at no point looked out of his element, and this is one of the few examples where he was easily beaten.

Lewis has a chance to be a Day 1 pick and that was only aided by his performance this week.


Troy Pride, CB, Notre Dame
Pride had a solid but not spectacular 2019 season and we expected to pretty much see that play out in Mobile. But the Notre Dame cornerback. He's slightly undersized by NFL cornerback standards (5-foot-11, 193 pounds) but was one of the toughest competitors on the field this week. Here he's running Quartney Davis' route for him during 1-on-1s:

Notre Dame CB Troy Pride Jr. may be the biggest draft board riser this week. Few defensive players did more to help themselves this week than Pride.


Javon Kinlaw, DL, South Carolina
The only thing that could stop Javon Kinlaw was ... Javon Kinlaw. He suffered an injury Wednesday, didn't practice Thursday and he won't take part in Saturday's game. And that's fine; he was dominant early in the week and only reconfirmed that he's one of the best pass-rushing interior defensive linemen in this class, as evidenced by this rep:

Kinlaw, who could find his way into Round 1, also has an amazing story, which makes you pull for him even more.


Kyle Dugger, S, Lenior-Rhyne
Dugger weighed in at nearly 6-foot-1, 217 pounds. That's big, even for Power 5 safeties, so imagine Dugger lining up against Division II opponents during his Lenior-Rhyne career. In the past, we've seen small-school players come to Mobile and need time to acclimatize to the bigger, stronger, faster competition. Dugger suffered none of that, and instead, we saw glimpses of his playmaking abilities that were on display weekly during the college season.

He could play a LB/S hybrid role at the next level, much in the same way Clemson's Isaiah Simmons will be expected to do, and Dugger has the added benefit of being able to return kicks.


Honorable mention
Other players who had stellar weeks and improved their draft stock: Ohio State WR K.J. Hill, LSU OC Lloyd Cushenberry, St. John's OT Ben Bartch; Michigan LB Josh Uche, Wisconsin EDGE Zack Baun, Ole Miss DT Benito Jones

Chromeburn 01-25-2020 01:08 PM

Senior bowl is at 2:30 today on nfl network.

Spike 01-25-2020 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 152562)
Senior bowl is at 2:30 today on nfl network.

I will definitely be watching it.

Thanks for all the great info!

IndyNorm 01-25-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 152509)
Not only was I not familiar with Edge, I didn't know of any RW problems. I only knew of his awesome career at Texas. When they passed on Ricky, I still felt, well if you don't want him, then trade with Ditka who was offering the world for him.

Yeah, while Edge over RW was the correct move I still wish BP had extended Faulk and traded the pick to the Saints for their next 2 drafts. We could have traded back up a couple of spots and picked Champ Bailey or stayed put and drafted Torry Holt. Then reloaded just about everywhere else with the ridiculous amounts of picks we would have had.

IndyNorm 01-25-2020 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 152490)
Yeah, I remember that very well. I was fit to be tied, I thought there was no way we weren't taking Williams. Shows you how much I fucking know, basically nothing.

The other draft I remember was when the Colts didn't take Dilfer. Mel Kiper was very critical of the Colts for not taking him. I was too, but Dilfer didn't turn out to be a very good QB.

So yes, you need to trust!

To be fair to you and Kiper, Dilfer had a much better NFL career than Trev Alberts did :D

JAFF 01-25-2020 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 152565)
Yeah, while Edge over RW was the correct move I still wish BP had extended Faulk and traded the pick to the Saints for their next 2 drafts. We could have traded back up a couple of spots and picked Champ Bailey or stayed put and drafted Torry Holt. Then reloaded just about everywhere else with the ridiculous amounts of picks we would have had.

He couldn't extend Faulk. Faulk wanted to be the focus, and that's not how that offense needed to be run. Faulk would take too many negative plays trying to bust the big one, while Edge would go get 3 yards to keep things moving forward. Edge didnt get pissy if Manning would pull the ball on play action and throw deep to Marvin.

JAFF 01-25-2020 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 152533)
Well you know all that research they do...

SOME do.

IndyNorm 01-26-2020 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 152580)
He couldn't extend Faulk. Faulk wanted to be the focus, and that's not how that offense needed to be run. Faulk would take too many negative plays trying to bust the big one, while Edge would go get 3 yards to keep things moving forward. Edge didnt get pissy if Manning would pull the ball on play action and throw deep to Marvin.

I don't remember Faulk being a problem, but being over 20 years ago you could be right. I did read recently that BP said he really wanted to keep Faulk and draft Champ Bailey, but that Faulk was going to hold out for a new contract and BP wouldn't be able to make that work with the Colts cap situation. Of course we spent a ton reloading in FA that year and Edge got a big rookie deal as well, so that could be selective memory on BP's part.

Luck4Reich 01-26-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 152597)
I don't remember Faulk being a problem, but being over 20 years ago you could be right. I did read recently that BP said he really wanted to keep Faulk and draft Champ Bailey, but that Faulk was going to hold out for a new contract and BP wouldn't be able to make that work with the Colts cap situation. Of course we spent a ton reloading in FA that year and Edge got a big rookie deal as well, so that could be selective memory on BP's part.


He wasnt a problem other than he wanted to renegotiate his contract with 2 years left. Polian refused to do so let Faulk go and drafted Edge.

JAFF 01-26-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 152597)
I don't remember Faulk being a problem, but being over 20 years ago you could be right. I did read recently that BP said he really wanted to keep Faulk and draft Champ Bailey, but that Faulk was going to hold out for a new contract and BP wouldn't be able to make that work with the Colts cap situation. Of course we spent a ton reloading in FA that year and Edge got a big rookie deal as well, so that could be selective memory on BP's part.

It's about the team. Give the ball to faulk on 1st and ten and if the hole wasnt there he would bob and weave and take a 3 yard loss. Now it's on Manning to go fix it.

You give Edge the ball on first down and fights to get 3 yards. Now it's second and 7 and the QB doesn't need to pull it out of his ass. Edge would get you 3 yards falling out of bed and NEVER bitched about getting the ball.

He played a year with TWO high ankle sprains. He bitched about not getting his bonus, but he made every freaking game. Thats why Jim payed him his bonus, he played every game and played for the team

Oldcolt 01-27-2020 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 152611)
It's about the team. Give the ball to faulk on 1st and ten and if the hole wasnt there he would bob and weave and take a 3 yard loss. Now it's on Manning to go fix it.

You give Edge the ball on first down and fights to get 3 yards. Now it's second and 7 and the QB doesn't need to pull it out of his ass. Edge would get you 3 yards falling out of bed and NEVER bitched about getting the ball.

He played a year with TWO high ankle sprains. He bitched about not getting his bonus, but he made every freaking game. Thats why Jim payed him his bonus, he played every game and played for the team

Do you guys remember the offense that Faulk was a part of with the Rams? I loved Edge but Faulk was every bit as valuable to an offense as he was. Just a different kind of back, not really an in between the tackles type of guy. If there was an issue with him in that offense it was on our coaching staff and how they used him, not on his ability. He tore it up in LA and they took home the trophy.

Chromeburn 01-27-2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 152634)
Do you guys remember the offense that Faulk was a part of with the Rams? I loved Edge but Faulk was every bit as valuable to an offense as he was. Just a different kind of back, not really an in between the tackles type of guy. If there was an issue with him in that offense it was on our coaching staff and how they used him, not on his ability. He tore it up in LA and they took home the trophy.

St Louis.

albany ed 01-27-2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 152580)
He couldn't extend Faulk. Faulk wanted to be the focus, and that's not how that offense needed to be run. Faulk would take too many negative plays trying to bust the big one, while Edge would go get 3 yards to keep things moving forward. Edge didnt get pissy if Manning would pull the ball on play action and throw deep to Marvin.

I don't recall it that way. Faulk wanted to renegotiate his contract and stated that he would hold out to get it, like Emmet Smith did. Polian just wouldn't deal with that attitude and shipped him off for very cheap. In his last year with the Colts, he rushed for over 1,300 yards and had over 900 yards receiving. He was only 25 years old. Had they kept him, then traded with Ditka for a shit load of draft choices, I believe they could have become dominant within 2 years. I loved Edge, but he's one man, and he didn't play defense.


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