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jasperhobbs 05-15-2020 02:36 PM

Larry Warford
 
I think the colts should sign him and have glowinski as a backup. Warford is road grader and not bad in pass protection. Perhaps a 2 year deal.

JAFF 05-15-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs (Post 161376)
I think the colts should sign him and have glowinski as a backup. Warford is road grader and not bad in pass protection. Perhaps a 2 year deal.

Salary cap might be a problem

Dam8610 05-15-2020 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 161382)
Salary cap might be a problem

They have about $20 million, it should be fine.

JAFF 05-15-2020 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 161384)
They have about $20 million, it should be fine.

Says you. A team almost needs 15 million going into the season to sign free agents and whoever they can fine to replace guys who get hurt and must be replaced during the season.

10 years ago having 12 million in Space seemed like a luxury. Now 20 million seems to be cutting it short.

JAFF 05-15-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 161384)
They have about $20 million, it should be fine.

Says you. A team almost needs 15 million going into the season to sign free agents and whoever they can fine to replace guys who get hurt and must be replaced during the season.

10 years ago having 12 million in Space seemed like a luxury. Now 20 million seems to be cutting it short.

I’m not an expert, I just know you’ve got to have enough money in reserve to replace people and this is at least a two-year contract.

jasperhobbs 05-16-2020 06:54 AM

I read somewhere he wants 7 million a year. Colts have the cap space to sign him.

Maniac 05-16-2020 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 161385)
Says you. A team almost needs 15 million going into the season to sign free agents and whoever they can fine to replace guys who get hurt and must be replaced during the season.

10 years ago having 12 million in Space seemed like a luxury. Now 20 million seems to be cutting it short.

Colts have plenty of space to sign him. Glowinski should be a backup at best.

Chaka 05-17-2020 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 161440)
On Hulu there is a mock documentary or satire called the CSA confederate states of America about the confederate states winning the civil war. Kind of like the man in the high castle, it is set in an alternate universe and depicts an alternate history. Funny, sometimes chilling, and well thought out. It depicts an America that never entered WW2 and become friends with the Nazi's. Legalized slavery and went to war with South America. Where Canada is the bastion of freedom, human rights, and progress..

Interesting, but what does this have to do with Larry Warford?

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 05-17-2020 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs (Post 161376)
I think the colts should sign him and have glowinski as a backup. Warford is road grader and not bad in pass protection. Perhaps a 2 year deal.

I think any multi-year deal is problematic right now due to the uncertainty surrounding the 2021 salary cap.

If all regular season and playoff games are played this season without fans at the stadium, the projected salary cap could drop by 25 to 30%....that means the salary cap could decrease to about 140 million in that scenario. The Colts are in relatively good shape with respect to the 2021 cap right now.....however, there are several players due a contract extension next year along with whatever the Colts decide to do with the QB position.

I'm sure the players union and owners will sit down and try to negotiate an alternate arrangement for 2021 and beyond - a few ideas have already been floated to the media - but until the 2021 situation is resolved, I doubt many teams will be looking to add a lot of guaranteed money commitments to their 2021 cap number.

YDFL Commish 05-17-2020 08:07 PM

Is Glowinski really that much of a liability? I really don't think so. We can't have Pro Bowl caliber OL at every position, it's just not realistic and has never been done. I mean he beat out Joe Haeg, who was previously starting for us, yet Haeg is going to compete for starting job with the Bucs.


Maybe Pinter beats him out, but OL is the least of my worries.

Maniac 05-17-2020 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 161457)
Is Glowinski really that much of a liability?

Yeah, he sucks. His play the first year was pretty solid. Last year was not good. Maybe he was playing hurt or something, but he was bad.

You may be right that Pinter beats him out, who knows. I wouldn't mind having another mauler there though. Why not?

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 05-17-2020 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 161458)
Maybe he was playing hurt or something, but he was bad.


Yes - it was mentioned several times last year (I think first by Chromeburn) that Glowinski was dealing with an injury for pretty much the entire season last year.

Maniac 05-18-2020 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 161459)
Yes - it was mentioned several times last year (I think first by Chromeburn) that Glowinski was dealing with an injury for pretty much the entire season last year.

Then that makes sense because his play definitely suffered. Hopefully he'll be back to his previous play then.

Racehorse 05-18-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 161456)
I think any multi-year deal is problematic right now due to the uncertainty surrounding the 2021 salary cap.

If all regular season and playoff games are played this season without fans at the stadium, the projected salary cap could drop by 25 to 30%....that means the salary cap could decrease to about 140 million in that scenario. The Colts are in relatively good shape with respect to the 2021 cap right now.....however, there are several players due a contract extension next year along with whatever the Colts decide to do with the QB position.

I'm sure the players union and owners will sit down and try to negotiate an alternate arrangement for 2021 and beyond - a few ideas have already been floated to the media - but until the 2021 situation is resolved, I doubt many teams will be looking to add a lot of guaranteed money commitments to their 2021 cap number.

I don’t see how the cap could go down and the league function as well as it has. Players will expect an increase or at least same dollars for their level of play and teams that are over the new cap would be heavily impacted. I think we will see the cap frozen at 2020 levels with the understanding that this is a temporary situation that is not intended to set any precedent.

njcoltfan 05-18-2020 11:17 AM

Any chance you could give me today's lottery numbers Race ??

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 05-18-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 161476)
I don’t see how the cap could go down and the league function as well as it has. Players will expect an increase or at least same dollars for their level of play and teams that are over the new cap would be heavily impacted. I think we will see the cap frozen at 3020 levels with the understanding that this is a temporary situation that is not intended to set any precedent.

One of the ideas that has been leaked to the media is to freeze the cap at the current (or slightly lower) amount, "borrow" against the future and then keep the cap frozen until the debt is made up. They will continue to do the math for what the cap number should have done, but it will be froze at some number in the meantime.

So, for example, let's just say the cap for 2020 is 200M and that it drops 50M to 150M in 2021. For 2022, everything returns to "normal" and it rebounds to 210M.

It could be frozen at 200M and then it would go 50M in debt for 2021. The surplus of 10M in 2022 would then pay down the 50M debt. It could take a few years to pay off the debt, however, unless they find other revenues.

Dam8610 05-18-2020 12:29 PM

The league can do whatever it wants regarding the cap, provided the owners and players come to an agreement. People who are sounding the alarm on this are doing so because the CBA states that the cap is based on a percentage of revenues, and games played in stadiums with no fans would obviously lead to a massive decrease in revenue, which in turn would lead to a massive decrease in the cap. Given the situation, I would think it's something the owners and the players' union will want to figure out, because teams have planned on the basis of projecting the cap forward. No team would be giving any player a $25 million per year contract if they projected the cap to be $150 million. One potential solution would be to have a uncapped year in 2021, the precedent for which was set in 2010, with the idea being that the CBA was not negotiated in such a way to handle a pandemic crisis, and everyone knowing that the 2022 league year will be capped per the normal CBA rules.

JAFF 05-18-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 161484)
The league can do whatever it wants regarding the cap, provided the owners and players come to an agreement. People who are sounding the alarm on this are doing so because the CBA states that the cap is based on a percentage of revenues, and games played in stadiums with no fans would obviously lead to a massive decrease in revenue, which in turn would lead to a massive decrease in the cap. Given the situation, I would think it's something the owners and the players' union will want to figure out, because teams have planned on the basis of projecting the cap forward. No team would be giving any player a $25 million per year contract if they projected the cap to be $150 million. One potential solution would be to have a uncapped year in 2021, the precedent for which was set in 2010, with the idea being that the CBA was not negotiated in such a way to handle a pandemic crisis, and everyone knowing that the 2022 league year will be capped per the normal CBA rules.

Football revenue is not that dependant on home attendance, unlike baseball. TV revenue is what makes the NFL go, and if they aren't going to play a full schedule, that's a big deal.

YDFL Commish 05-18-2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 161489)
Football revenue is not that dependant on home attendance, unlike baseball. TV revenue is what makes the NFL go, and if they aren't going to play a full schedule, that's a big deal.

I heard Pat Kirwan say last week that approximately 20% of revenue is from stadium dependent. Of course that's going to vary for each team depending on how much of a sweetheart stadium deal they have.

Racehorse 05-18-2020 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 161477)
Any chance you could give me today's lottery numbers Race ??

Nope

Chromeburn 05-19-2020 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 161457)
Is Glowinski really that much of a liability? I really don't think so. We can't have Pro Bowl caliber OL at every position, it's just not realistic and has never been done. I mean he beat out Joe Haeg, who was previously starting for us, yet Haeg is going to compete for starting job with the Bucs.


Maybe Pinter beats him out, but OL is the least of my worries.

I think he is just targeted because he is the weakest link. He was nursing some injuries last year and underperformed. But he is fine as a starter. I worry about a lot of other positions before right guard.

omahacolt 05-20-2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 161457)
Is Glowinski really that much of a liability? I really don't think so. We can't have Pro Bowl caliber OL at every position, it's just not realistic and has never been done. I mean he beat out Joe Haeg, who was previously starting for us, yet Haeg is going to compete for starting job with the Bucs.


Maybe Pinter beats him out, but OL is the least of my worries.

No. He isn’t. People are really fucking dumb when it comes to oline play

HoosierinFL 05-20-2020 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 161643)
People are really fucking dumb

Fixed that for you

JAFF 05-21-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 161653)
Fixed that for you

Bingo

YDFL Commish 05-21-2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 161643)
No. He isn’t. People are really fucking dumb when it comes to oline play

I'm not even sure what you're referring to?

Maniac 05-22-2020 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 161643)
No. He isn’t. People are really fucking dumb when it comes to oline play

Do you think he played as well this past year as the previous one?

omahacolt 05-22-2020 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 161740)
Do you think he played as well this past year as the previous one?

No. But is he a major liability? No

He is still a good rg

YDFL Commish 05-22-2020 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 161767)
No. But is he a major liability? No

He is still a good rg

Okay, I agree with you, but sometimes you have to explain yourself better, so that we know what side of the fence you're on.

Maniac 05-22-2020 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 161767)
No. But is he a major liability? No

He is still a good rg

He was a good guard his first year with us. He was decent but inconsistent at times this past year. Dealing with an injury would make sense.

Warford would be an upgrade though and we could use more depth.

JAFF 05-23-2020 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 161772)
He was a good guard his first year with us. He was decent but inconsistent at times this past year. Dealing with an injury would make sense.

Warford would be an upgrade though and we could use more depth.

I agree that they need more depth, but money will be spent on Kelly first. There will be linemen available as we get closer to the camp and season.

omahacolt 05-23-2020 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 161769)
Okay, I agree with you, but sometimes you have to explain yourself better, so that we know what side of the fence you're on.

You aren’t going to have all pros at every position. Glowinski is light years better than what we have seen at rg over the last 10 years. Is he perfect? Fuck no. I would much rather have the weak link at lg but it is what it is. Glowinski is fine until we can properly upgrade.


Shitting on him because be isn’t Nelson is par for the course for this fan base

Brylok 05-23-2020 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 161772)
He was a good guard his first year with us. He was decent but inconsistent at times this past year. Dealing with an injury would make sense.

Warford would be an upgrade though and we could use more depth.

Rivers will get the ball out far faster than Jacoby did. I'm far from an oline expert, but it seems that not having to block for 6+ seconds every time should help a lot. Glow will be fine. Depth is a need though.

Maniac 05-23-2020 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 161787)
You aren’t going to have all pros at every position. Glowinski is light years better than what we have seen at rg over the last 10 years. Is he perfect? Fuck no. I would much rather have the weak link at lg but it is what it is. Glowinski is fine until we can properly upgrade.


Shitting on him because be isn’t Nelson is par for the course for this fan base

You admitted that he played worse than his first season. That said, when I said he sucked, I was purposely overreacting. That's what fans do. You've done it yourself plenty of times here. Obviously he doesn't suck or he wouldn't be a starter in the NFL, but he did struggle at times and gave up some sacks. The injury explanation makes sense as to why.


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