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albany ed 01-14-2021 09:34 AM

Imagine if Eason was ready
 
Imagine if Eason was ready to pilot the Colts and turned out to be similar to Herbert? Getting a serviceable back up and using all the cap money and draft picks on solving some of the other Colts needs like LT, pass rushing DE and another solid CB.

Maniac 01-14-2021 10:09 AM

Reich saying he wants Rivers back kind of signals that Eason is not ready.

Chromeburn 01-14-2021 11:18 AM

https://theathletic.com/2318845/2021...lts-role-2021/

Here is some news on Eason finally. He has a big arm, but they do t think he is ready. I suggest a sub to the athletic. It’s worth it.

Oldcolt 01-14-2021 12:15 PM

The Athletic article implies that Eason was and still is on a two year plan. If the Colts bring Rivers back and don't invest to much in the qb position it may bode well for what they see in Eason. They really seem to like his work effort. Ballard certainly will bring in someone, if for nothing other than competition.

apballin 01-14-2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 184056)
The Athletic article implies that Eason was and still is on a two year plan. If the Colts bring Rivers back and don't invest to much in the qb position it may bode well for what they see in Eason. They really seem to like his work effort. Ballard certainly will bring in someone, if for nothing other than competition.

I’m calling bullshit

JAFF 01-14-2021 07:23 PM

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-the-right-qb/

Its about Ballard and making choices

JAFF 01-14-2021 07:25 PM

If wishes were horses beggers would ride

JAFF 01-14-2021 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 184037)
Imagine if Eason was ready to pilot the Colts and turned out to be similar to Herbert? Getting a serviceable back up and using all the cap money and draft picks on solving some of the other Colts needs like LT, pass rushing DE and another solid CB.

If I’m gonna waste time fantasizing, It’s going to be about winning the mega millions

Butter 01-15-2021 12:21 AM

Eason will probably never be ready. He is a long shot and counting on him is silly.

njcoltfan 01-15-2021 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 184124)
Eason will probably never be ready. He is a long shot and counting on him is silly.

If you're right, forget about the Colts being a superbowl contender for awhile, unless Ballard makes a trade for a QB ala the Buckner deal.

albany ed 01-15-2021 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 184124)
Eason will probably never be ready. He is a long shot and counting on him is silly.

I'm not counting on him, I'm imagining the possibility. You never know, look at Dak Prescott.

Dam8610 01-15-2021 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 184134)
I'm not counting on him, I'm imagining the possibility. You never know, look at Dak Prescott.

The Colts may only give him that chance under the circumstances that Prescott got his chance. I don't think Ballard wants to risk his job on Eason, even if he recognizes how talented Eason is.

albany ed 01-15-2021 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 184135)
The Colts may only give him that chance under the circumstances that Prescott got his chance. I don't think Ballard wants to risk his job on Eason, even if he recognizes how talented Eason is.

Understood, but IMO, if the Colts rehire Rivers, they will have the worst QB in their own division. Not that Rivers is bad, it's just that the others are better.

rcubed 01-15-2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 184135)
The Colts may only give him that chance under the circumstances that Prescott got his chance. I don't think Ballard wants to risk his job on Eason, even if he recognizes how talented Eason is.

agree about ballard not risking his job on eason. here are some recent quotes from ballard.

“Look, taking one will get you all off my ass for a little bit, but the second that guy doesn’t play well, I’m going to be the first one run out of the building.”

“I promise you we get the importance of the quarterback position, but the difference between just taking one, and taking the right one, is the key in our minds.”

eason is a 4th round flier.
1. If we hit on the upside 2 years after the draft, great job ballard.
2. If he turns into a good backup, then we have a 4th round backup.
3. If he turns out to be good but we drafted someone like jones as our future, then eason is good trade bait.
4. If he flames out then not much lost.

Maniac 01-15-2021 05:33 PM

If he's progressing, they'll make him the backup this next season and let Brissett go. If they don't at least do that, then they better keep looking and trying to address the position.

JAFF 01-15-2021 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 184124)
Eason will probably never be ready. He is a long shot and counting on him is silly.

Somebody said that about Brees, Brady, Starr, and fill in the blank

Colts And Orioles 01-15-2021 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 184124)



Eason will probably never be ready. He is a long shot and counting on him is silly.





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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 184188)



Somebody said that about Brees, Brady, Starr, and fill in the blank.




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A Football Team that Wanted Him: Johnny Unitas and the Bloomfield Rams

(By David Craig)

https://pittsburghorbit.com/2017/10/...oomfield-rams/




https://pittsburghorbit.files.wordpr...eg?w=400&h=425
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Colts And Orioles 01-15-2021 07:16 PM

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Also ...... here is Kurt Warner, getting his start as a pro quarterback with the Iowa Barnstormers.



https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...arner-card.jpg

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TheMugwump 01-15-2021 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 184193)
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A Football Team that Wanted Him: Johnny Unitas and the Bloomfield Rams

(By David Craig)

https://pittsburghorbit.com/2017/10/...oomfield-rams/




https://pittsburghorbit.files.wordpr...eg?w=400&h=425
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You beat me to it, C&O. I was thinking Unitas too.

JAFF 01-15-2021 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 184194)
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Also ...... here is Kurt Warner, getting his start as a pro quarterback with the Iowa Barnstormers.



https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...arner-card.jpg

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Boom baby

Puck 01-15-2021 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 184140)
Understood, but IMO, if the Colts rehire Rivers, they will have the worst QB in their own division. Not that Rivers is bad, it's just that the others are better.

Lawrence isn't..... yet

JAFF 01-15-2021 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 184140)
Understood, but IMO, if the Colts rehire Rivers, they will have the worst QB in their own division. Not that Rivers is bad, it's just that the others are better.

Lawerence might be a better athlete than Rivers, I’m betting he cant read an NFL defence

Butter 01-15-2021 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 184188)
Somebody said that about Brees, Brady, Starr, and fill in the blank

Sure, now go list all the ones who didn't make the cut who teams did count on.

JAFF 01-15-2021 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 184208)
Sure, now go list all the ones who didn't make the cut who teams did count on.

Its a long list that contains Heisman trophy winners. I had my money on Danny Werrfull

Chromeburn 01-16-2021 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 184207)
Lawerence might be a better athlete than Rivers, I’m betting he cant read an NFL defence

I bet he can. College is more advanced than it used to be. Kids are better coached now and coming into the league more advanced than they used to be. Also something people don’t mention much of, but I think Madden improves kids processing of football now. It’s essentially a football simulator they are playing all the time.

Dam8610 01-16-2021 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 184213)
I bet he can. College is more advanced than it used to be. Kids are better coached now and coming into the league more advanced than they used to be. Also something people don’t mention much of, but I think Madden improves kids processing of football now. It’s essentially a football simulator they are playing all the time.

The anticipation I've seen on some of Mac Jones's throws is on par with a seasoned veteran. The moment the DB turns to run, he's throwing the ball on deep routes. He's also shown the ability to throw guys open.

Chromeburn 01-16-2021 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 184215)
The anticipation I've seen on some of Mac Jones's throws is on par with a seasoned veteran. The moment the DB turns to run, he's throwing the ball on deep routes. He's also shown the ability to throw guys open.

I keep coming back to him. Looks off the safety, his guys are wide open but the balls are still accurate. Poor mans Joe Burrow? I like his demeanor and accuracy. Stays calm, gets a little too angry when he makes a mistake, but looks like he is fixing it. He isn’t as accurate as Burrow, burrow played the toughest schedule ever and just was nailing it. But Jones’ offense has been efficient and basically unstoppable. If you are a three star and have taken over the Bama qb spot. That says something. He isn’t grat in the athleticism and arm dept, but I do like a lot about him.

Honestly. If Eason was the guy, he would be forcing the team to play him.

Dam8610 01-16-2021 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 184216)
I keep coming back to him. Looks off the safety, his guys are wide open but the balls are still accurate. Poor mans Joe Burrow? I like his demeanor and accuracy. Stays calm, gets a little too angry when he makes a mistake, but looks like he is fixing it. He isn’t as accurate as Burrow, burrow played the toughest schedule ever and just was nailing it. But Jones’ offense has been efficient and basically unstoppable. If you are a three star and have taken over the Bama qb spot. That says something. He isn’t grat in the athleticism and arm dept, but I do like a lot about him.

"Poor man's Burrow" was my initial assessment, but as I watched more, I started thinking a cross between collegiate Drew Brees with better athleticism/escapability and collegiate Russell Wilson with a weaker arm. That goes back to the pocket presence I mentioned before. He senses the rush very well, seems to already have an internal clock for when the ball should be out, shows good escapability in the pocket, and always seems to keep his eyes downfield looking for a receiver to come open when he escapes the rush and starts to look to run. The only flaw I see in his game is arm strength, but he can still throw 15 yard outs and 25 yard corners with zip. I think he could improve that like Brees did working with an NFL strength and conditioning team. I hope he stays the 5th ranked QB and the Colts get a shot at him at pick 21.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 184216)
Honestly. If Eason was the guy, he would be forcing the team to play him.

See, I don't agree with this, especially in a pandemic. Eason has had pretty much zero time to show the Colts what he can do in a live game situation. As a 4th round pick, there's zero pressure on the front office to make him "the guy", and Ballard has intentionally tempered expectations on him from day one I think for that exact reason. There's no doubt the team likes his talent, and so do other teams, but Ballard isn't going to put his job on the line for Eason unless he sees Eason perform well in line action. He could still be "the guy", but because of his draft status, it won't be preordained by the Colts.

Oldcolt 01-16-2021 11:30 AM

Eason is an extreme long shot. He has the size and arm so fans like me can dream. COVID may have been good for his professional development as it slowed it way down and gave him what is in reality a complete red shirt year. By the end of next year the Colts should have a better handle on who he can be. At least he doesn't appear to be an idiot like Leaf or Schlichter.

TheMugwump 01-16-2021 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 184232)
Eason is an extreme long shot. He has the size and arm so fans like me can dream. COVID may have been good for his professional development as it slowed it way down and gave him what is in reality a complete red shirt year. By the end of next year the Colts should have a better handle on who he can be. At least he doesn't appear to be an idiot like Leaf or Schlichter.

I hope you are right about this, but do we have any evidence of that yet? Again, the pandemic could have put a damper on a lot of stupid behavior.

Colts And Orioles 01-16-2021 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 184232)



Eason is an extreme long shot. He has the size and the arm, so fans like me can dream. COVID may have been good for his professional development, as it slowed it way down and gave him what is in reality a complete red-shirt year. By the end of next year, the Colts should have a better handle on who he can be. At least he doesn't appear to be an idiot like Leaf or Schlichter.





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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 184237)



I hope that you are right about this, but do we have any evidence of that yet ??? Again, the pandemic could have put a damper on a lot of stupid behavior.




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I once saw a comedian joke about people who have lost a lot of weight after having gastric-bypass surgery. Sometimes people would say to them, "Wow, you lost a lot of weight. How did you do it ???

Ehhh, they had their stomach stapled in half.


He said that it was like a cocaine addict having their nose permanently shut with crazy glue, and people giving them compliments on their sobriety ....... "Hey, you have been clean for almost a year now. How have you been able to do it ???"

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Colts And Orioles 01-16-2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 184124)



Eason will probably never be ready. He is a long shot and counting on him is silly.





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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 184188)



Somebody said that about Brees, Brady, Starr, and fill in the blank.





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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 184208)



Sure, now go list all of the ones who didn't make the cut who teams did count on.




o

5 people won the lottery last year ...... yes, and 30 million other people played the lottery and didn't win.

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Chromeburn 01-16-2021 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 184224)
"Poor man's Burrow" was my initial assessment, but as I watched more, I started thinking a cross between collegiate Drew Brees with better athleticism/escapability and collegiate Russell Wilson with a weaker arm. That goes back to the pocket presence I mentioned before. He senses the rush very well, seems to already have an internal clock for when the ball should be out, shows good escapability in the pocket, and always seems to keep his eyes downfield looking for a receiver to come open when he escapes the rush and starts to look to run. The only flaw I see in his game is arm strength, but he can still throw 15 yard outs and 25 yard corners with zip. I think he could improve that like Brees did working with an NFL strength and conditioning team. I hope he stays the 5th ranked QB and the Colts get a shot at him at pick 21.



See, I don't agree with this, especially in a pandemic. Eason has had pretty much zero time to show the Colts what he can do in a live game situation. As a 4th round pick, there's zero pressure on the front office to make him "the guy", and Ballard has intentionally tempered expectations on him from day one I think for that exact reason. There's no doubt the team likes his talent, and so do other teams, but Ballard isn't going to put his job on the line for Eason unless he sees Eason perform well in line action. He could still be "the guy", but because of his draft status, it won't be preordained by the Colts.

One of the issues I see though is he doesn’t seem to fit the type of QB Reich likes. Shorter, slow, not a big arm. The ND state QB seems to fit Reich’s preferences.

As for Eason. I definitely think the pandemic hurt a lot of rookies this year. But Eason would still be pushing for reps if he was good. He might still develop if they are patient and give him time. But I see it as a long shot. Im not counting on him at all.

albany ed 01-16-2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 184248)
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5 people won the lottery last year ...... yes, and 30 million other people played the lottery and didn't win.

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Well then, I guess the odds of being a great QB after having been drafted are a helluva lot better than winning the lottery.

Colts And Orioles 01-16-2021 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 184248)
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5 people won the lottery last year ...... yes, and 30 million other people played the lottery and didn't win.

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 184255)



Well then, I guess the odds of being a great QB after not having been drafted are a helluva lot better than winning the lottery.




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Correct ...... but being a hell of a lot better than 5 in 30 million is not necessarily saying much in terms of odds.

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Dam8610 01-16-2021 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 184254)
One of the issues I see though is he doesn’t seem to fit the type of QB Reich likes. Shorter, slow, not a big arm. The ND state QB seems to fit Reich’s preferences.

As for Eason. I definitely think the pandemic hurt a lot of rookies this year. But Eason would still be pushing for reps if he was good. He might still develop if they are patient and give him time. But I see it as a long shot. Im not counting on him at all.

Trey Lance isn't slow. I think Reich values athleticism in QBs. That would actually be the biggest argument against Eason working here, he's not much of an athlete, way more of your standard pocket QB. That said, Mac Jones is smaller, athletic, has good pocket presence, and is an accurate passer. I can't imagine the Colts putting on the Alabama film and not rating him very highly. Unfortunately, I think that's going to happen around the league, and he's going to catapult into the top 15.

I don't buy the argument that Eason not "pushing for reps" is any statement on his ability, and is much more a statement on his draft position. Look at the Dallas Cowboys QB situation for the past nearly two decades. It took an injury to Drew Bledsoe, their big free agent QB signing, for undrafted Tony Romo to get a chance, which he parlayed into a long career, only to get injured, giving 4th round pick Dak Prescott a chance. That's how a QB who doesn't have significant draft capital invested in them gets their chance in the NFL. That's the politics of it, and the situation in which Eason is currently stuck. That said, I'm not exactly counting on Eason, either, and it's pretty clear the team isn't. That's why I'm looking at possible solutions in this draft class, and hoping the Colts get lucky and have a guy fall to them that shouldn't. I understand Ballard wanting to get this right and being patient in doing so, but this QB search is eventually going to define his tenure as GM, for better or worse.

apballin 01-16-2021 07:52 PM

Gotta do something can’t have a revolving door of veteran washed up qbs in here year after year

Chromeburn 01-17-2021 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 184266)
Trey Lance isn't slow. I think Reich values athleticism in QBs. That would actually be the biggest argument against Eason working here, he's not much of an athlete, way more of your standard pocket QB. That said, Mac Jones is smaller, athletic, has good pocket presence, and is an accurate passer. I can't imagine the Colts putting on the Alabama film and not rating him very highly. Unfortunately, I think that's going to happen around the league, and he's going to catapult into the top 15.

I don't buy the argument that Eason not "pushing for reps" is any statement on his ability, and is much more a statement on his draft position. Look at the Dallas Cowboys QB situation for the past nearly two decades. It took an injury to Drew Bledsoe, their big free agent QB signing, for undrafted Tony Romo to get a chance, which he parlayed into a long career, only to get injured, giving 4th round pick Dak Prescott a chance. That's how a QB who doesn't have significant draft capital invested in them gets their chance in the NFL. That's the politics of it, and the situation in which Eason is currently stuck. That said, I'm not exactly counting on Eason, either, and it's pretty clear the team isn't. That's why I'm looking at possible solutions in this draft class, and hoping the Colts get lucky and have a guy fall to them that shouldn't. I understand Ballard wanting to get this right and being patient in doing so, but this QB search is eventually going to define his tenure as GM, for better or worse.

I didn’t call Trey Lance slow. Mac Jones isn’t a good athlete. Eason isnt either but he probably had the strongest arm in last years draft.

A good player forces you to play him. We need a QB. It isn’t politics. It’s not draft position. He isn’t that good. They would love for him to be the guy. Wouldn’t have to spend a draft pick and he’s on a rookie contract.

albany ed 01-17-2021 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 184262)
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Correct ...... but being a hell of a lot better than 5 in 30 million is not necessarily saying much in terms of odds.

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30 million lottery tickets are purchased, none by me, cuz I don't like the odds. But hoping that Eason turns into a quality starter? I'd buy a ticket for that dream.

njcoltfan 01-17-2021 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 184269)
Gotta do something can’t have a revolving door of veteran washed up qbs in here year after year

Well said !


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