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smitty46953 04-25-2019 09:42 AM

2019 NFL Draft Day 1
 
Discuss here :cool:

Luck4Reich 04-25-2019 09:58 AM

Very excited for this day. Long wait for us and our pick. Hoping someone falls to us.

Dam8610 04-25-2019 10:04 AM

At what point would you start to consider trading up for Sweat, and what would you be willing to trade to move up? For me, if he's there at 20, I'd offer 26 and 89 to go up and get him. Otherwise stay put and take Tillery IMO. Either way, it's going to be a long wait tonight.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 117284)
At what point would you start to consider trading up for Sweat, and what would you be willing to trade to move up? For me, if he's there at 20, I'd offer 26 and 89 to go up and get him. Otherwise stay put and take Tillery IMO. Either way, it's going to be a long wait tonight.

If you want a pass rusher on the interior who struggles against the run, why not wait for Dre'mont at 59?

Dam8610 04-25-2019 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117287)
If you want a pass rusher on the interior who struggles against the run, why not wait for Dre'mont at 59?

Jones is not likely to make it to 59, and Tillery is much better against the run than Jones. If I had my druthers, the Colts would get Sweat at 26, Tillery at 34, and the best safety at 59.

Coltsalr 04-25-2019 10:26 AM

Daniel Jeremiah, Mel Kiper, and Jason LaCanfora all have the Colts nabbing Jeffery Simmons with their first overall pick.

Wondering if this might be an "educated" guess...

Coltsalr 04-25-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 117288)
Jones is not likely to make it to 59, and Tillery is much better against the run than Jones. If I had my druthers, the Colts would get Sweat at 26, Tillery at 34, and the best safety at 59.

So I take it you have no concerns about Tillery's scheme fit?

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117291)
So I take it you have no concerns about Tillery's scheme fit?

Pretty sure that's just me.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117290)
Daniel Jeremiah, Mel Kiper, and Jason LaCanfora all have the Colts nabbing Jeffery Simmons with their first overall pick.

Wondering if this might be an "educated" guess...

Matt Miller says scouts have been telling him for a few weeks that Abram is the target.

Coltsalr 04-25-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117292)
Pretty sure that's just me.

And as I've said, it's legitimate to keep in mind, given that Ballard dumped Hankins/Anderson, who are still effective, due to scheme fit.

He takes DL scheme fit quite seriously, apparently.

Dam8610 04-25-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117291)
So I take it you have no concerns about Tillery's scheme fit?

IMO he could play 3 positions on the DL: UT, pass down NT, run down DE. He has the size, length, and athleticism for all 3 IMO.

smitty46953 04-25-2019 10:56 AM

I gotta admit I agree with Dammy, (Dam that hurt) LOL
Maybe I am a bit biased as I am a ND fan. I have watched Tillery a bunch and think he will fit in our scheme just fine. Not too mention he is a "Golden Domer" Go Irish !!! :cool:

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 117300)
I gotta admit I agree with Dammy, (Dam that hurt) LOL
Maybe I am a bit biased as I am a ND fan. I have watched Tillery a bunch and think he will fit in our scheme just fine. Not too mention he is a "Golden Domer" Go Irish !!! :cool:

Do you know of any clips where he splits a gap off the snap? My hold up is that basically all the highlights I’ve seen are him winning from a 2 gap technique. I know the measureables say he’s quick and athletic enough to play a 1 gap style, but I haven’t been able to confirm that on tape.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117294)
And as I've said, it's legitimate to keep in mind, given that Ballard dumped Hankins/Anderson, who are still effective, due to scheme fit.

He takes DL scheme fit quite seriously, apparently.

Yep. As I asked Smitty, I haven’t seen the right skill set on tape based on my understanding of what Eberflus wants. I could be wrong on what Eberflus wants or the projection of putting Tillery into this system and the different things it would ask of him.

Coltsalr 04-25-2019 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117309)
Yep. As I asked Smitty, I haven’t seen the right skill set on tape based on my understanding of what Eberflus wants. I could be wrong on what Eberflus wants or the projection of putting Tillery into this system and the different things it would ask of him.

Also, John Simon, who he dumped for nothing, who has acclimiated quite nicely up in New England.

Though moving him to DE was always kind of a head-scratcher, if there's one thing I don't like, it's how scheme dependent we apparently are along the DL when going with more flexible/hybrid seems to be the way of the NFL.

smitty46953 04-25-2019 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117306)
Do you know of any clips where he splits a gap off the snap? My hold up is that basically all the highlights I’ve seen are him winning from a 2 gap technique. I know the measureables say he’s quick and athletic enough to play a 1 gap style, but I haven’t been able to confirm that on tape.

Clips not really, will see what I can find. Mostly just eyeball as I watched about every ND game since 1976... :cool:

Chaka 04-25-2019 11:37 AM

Will Jacoby Brissett still be a Colt come Sunday? I’ve seen a few articles speculating that the Colts may trade Brissett and draft a new backup QB in a later round.

Personally, I haven’t really bought into the idea that other teams are clambering for Brissett and would be willing to give the Colts a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him. A lot of that stuff seems to come from reports generated by Indy-focused media. I realize he’s got some experience under his belt, but there are tons of out-of-work QBs with experience too. There’s also Josh Rosen, drafted 10th overall only last year, and who the Cardinals can’t seem to get someone to give up a 2nd rounder for.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 117315)
Will Jacoby Brissett still be a Colt come Sunday? I’ve seen a few articles speculating that the Colts may trade Brissett and draft a new backup QB in a later round.

Personally, I haven’t really bought into the idea that other teams are clambering for Brissett and would be willing to give the Colts a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him. A lot of that stuff seems to come from reports generated by Indy-focused media. I realize he’s got some experience under his belt, but there are tons of out-of-work QBs with experience too. There’s also Josh Rosen, drafted 10th overall only last year, and who the Cardinals can’t seem to get someone to give up a 2nd rounder for.

I’m 99% sure Brissett will be a colt in 2019.

Dam8610 04-25-2019 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117306)
Do you know of any clips where he splits a gap off the snap? My hold up is that basically all the highlights I’ve seen are him winning from a 2 gap technique. I know the measureables say he’s quick and athletic enough to play a 1 gap style, but I haven’t been able to confirm that on tape.

Stanford. Watch him against Stanford. Most dominant tape I saw this year, and was only a bit below Chubb vs. FSU for pure dominance.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 117321)
Stanford. Watch him against Stanford. Most dominant tape I saw this year, and was only a bit below Chubb vs. FSU for pure dominance.

I'll look again, but that's the primary game from which I drew my opinion. He wins hat-on-hat, not shoulder-to-shoulder.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 117321)
Stanford. Watch him against Stanford. Most dominant tape I saw this year, and was only a bit below Chubb vs. FSU for pure dominance.

Watched it again and saw he had some more lateral ability than I remembered; however, it wasn't good enough for me to completely change my opinion. I would absolutely love him as a 5T or as a 3T in a 30 front.

I may be completely wrong, but I just think Eberflus wants his guys to be more explosive at shooting the A and B gaps. Below is actually a major red flag for me that I've noticed watching his film. Maybe he could improve there and it would completely ease my concern, but that's a major problem in my assessment going into the draft.

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Needs more consistent reaction time off the snap
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jerry-...7-604f05433c81

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 03:04 PM

Rap says teams are calling the Dolphins about trades to move up to 13. I think Houston is very likely targeting an OL, but perhaps the Colts are laying the groundwork in case a guy like Burns or Oliver falls.

smitty46953 04-25-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117360)
Rap says teams are calling the Dolphins about trades to move up to 13. I think Houston is very likely targeting an OL, but perhaps the Colts are laying the groundwork in case a guy like Burns or Oliver falls.

Throwing spaghetti against the wall? You will drive yourself nuts trying guess all the scenarios taking place now through tomorrow night. :cool:

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 117361)
Throwing spaghetti against the wall? You will drive yourself nuts trying guess all the scenarios taking place now through tomorrow night. :cool:

I wouldn't have read too much into it, but Ballard said on McAfee's podcast that they talked through a ton of trade up scenarios and what they would be willing to give up for certain players.

Coltsalr 04-25-2019 03:42 PM

Ian Rapoport
The back part of the first round could be fascinating tonight. Picks 21-26 — the #Seahawks to the #Colts — have shown an interest in trading back, I’m told. If the #Giants don’t get a QB at 6 or 17, they may trade back into the 1st for one.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117369)
Ian Rapoport
The back part of the first round could be fascinating tonight. Picks 21-26 — the #Seahawks to the #Colts — have shown an interest in trading back, I’m told. If the #Giants don’t get a QB at 6 or 17, they may trade back into the 1st for one.

I could absolutely see that. Trade value chart has it roughly equal to NYGs #37, #95, & #132, but I think the Giants and Ballard would prefer to change that 4th rounder to a 3rd next year.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 03:52 PM

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Jason La Canfora
‏@JasonLaCanfora
13m13 minutes ago
If top 2 picks go as expected - Murray and Bosa - have now had 2 GMs tell me they believe the Bills could move to 3 to land Quinnen Williams. NYJ have not been shy about their zeal to trade down.
Seems like it would make sense. Bills get possibly the best player in the draft and Jets are still in range to get an EDGE.

Coltsalr 04-25-2019 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117370)
I could absolutely see that. Trade value chart has it roughly equal to NYGs #37, #95, & #132, but I think the Giants and Ballard would prefer to change that 4th rounder to a 3rd next year.

The #24 pick is also roughly the equivalent of #37 and #64. If the Giants still had their original 3rd rounder I'd be more interested, but meh, #95 is getting fairly late at that point.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 04:07 PM

I think my dream of Burns somehow dropping is quickly evaporating with Gary's labrum tear and Sweat's positive health follow-ups.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117375)
The #24 pick is also roughly the equivalent of #37 and #64. If the Giants still had their original 3rd rounder I'd be more interested, but meh, #95 is getting fairly late at that point.

2020 1st and call it a day lol

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117293)
Matt Miller says scouts have been telling him for a few weeks that Abram is the target.

Here's the thing that I worry about with trying to interpret whether or not the Colts are high on Abram--he isn't a turnover machine and we know that Ballard emphasizes guys who generate takeaways.

Yes, he's a tackling machine and he'd be an eraser, but 3 FFs and 2 INTs in 25 games the last two seasons isn't great. Makes me wonder if they might be higher on more balanced safeties like Savage or Rapp since they've generated more takeaways.

YDFL Commish 04-25-2019 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117385)
Here's the thing that I worry about with trying to interpret whether or not the Colts are high on Abram--he isn't a turnover machine and we know that Ballard emphasizes guys who generate takeaways.

Yes, he's a tackling machine and he'd be an eraser, but 3 FFs and 2 INTs in 25 games the last two seasons isn't great. Makes me wonder if they might be higher on more balanced safeties like Savage or Rapp since they've generated more takeaways.

Agreed. I would be mildly disappointed with Abram at 26, because I want a safety who is just as proficient in 2-deep as he is coming down into the box.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 117397)
Agreed. I would be mildly disappointed with Abram at 26, because I want a safety who is just as proficient in 2-deep as he is coming down into the box.

Don't get me wrong, I won't be disappointed. I just think he's more Cam Chancellor than Jamal Adams or Derwin James. But there's a reason why Abram would be available at 26 and those other two were taken a lot earlier.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 07:15 PM

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Jane Slater

What makes Mississippi State S Johnathan Abram special based on some of my calls? He showed up to his meeting in a sports coat because I’m told he approached the visit like a job interview. Married with a child at 21, he was inquiring about school system for daughter while here.
I don't know if he'll be the clear-cut BPA when the Colts are on the clock, but we know Ballard values this kind of maturity and professionalism.

Puck 04-25-2019 07:44 PM

The woman on NFL record just broke a record of the longest slowest rendition of the anthem in history. What a joke. Hell I thought some were going to take a knee just because they were tired so standing.

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 07:59 PM

Benjamin Albricht and Matt Miller each have multiple sources saying the first pick is indeed Murray.

Matt Miller is hearing the Raiders may move up to 2 to get Quinnen Williams.

Luck4Reich 04-25-2019 08:02 PM

Caught the tail end of radio show on the way home. One guy said he thinks 4 QBs could go in the first 10 picks. I doubt it but would be good if it happened. I am hoping some teams make some weird picks or big reaches. Whatever helps players fall to us.

Brylok 04-25-2019 08:08 PM

What a spectacle on ABC. A host setup like a new year's eve broadcast, already a Taylor Swift appearance, and the college football game day guys. WTF? I probably sound like an old curmudgeon, but I miss when this was done during the daytime. I'm not watching this crap until 10pm waiting for the 26th pick. Out

smitty46953 04-25-2019 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 117418)
What a spectacle on ABC. A host setup like a new year's eve broadcast, already a Taylor Swift appearance, and the college football game day guys. WTF? I probably sound like an old curmudgeon, but I miss when this was done during the daytime. I'm not watching this crap until 10pm waiting for the 26th pick. Out

You going miss Hee Haw rerun? :cool:

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 117418)
What a spectacle on ABC. A host setup like a new year's eve broadcast, already a Taylor Swift appearance, and the college football game day guys. WTF? I probably sound like an old curmudgeon, but I miss when this was done during the daytime. I'm not watching this crap until 10pm waiting for the 26th pick. Out

You might prefer this from Bleacher Report. I certainly do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f7r6xATRow


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