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Chromeburn 04-07-2019 07:18 PM

Post Some Mock Drafts
 
So you can post your own or someone else's mock. I am gonna share Emmit Smith's mock. Well, walterfootball's version of Emmit's mock. I think Johnson & Johnson would be a decent pick but maybe a little high for him here.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019emmitt_1.php


Indianapolis Colts: Chauncey Johnson-Johnson, S, Florida

Michael Irving once famously say that point win championship. But sometime you gotta stop the other team from getting point. That mean you have to add some great defense players to the death chart and then you can play good defense if you has good defense player.

Chauncey Johnson-Johnson from my old school, the Gator. He have two Johnson in his name, which make me think of another great saying, that two Johnson better than one Johnson. I hear this when I past by my son room and playing a video on his computer gizmo. Then, later, I past by again, and I hear girl moan. I wonder what the blot of this movie can possibly be, probably someone realize that it better two has two Johnson better than one Johnson.

Puck 04-07-2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115663)
So you can post your own or someone else's mock. I am gonna share Emmit Smith's mock. Well, walterfootball's version of Emmit's mock. I think Johnson & Johnson would be a decent pick but maybe a little high for him here.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019emmitt_1.php


Indianapolis Colts: Chauncey Johnson-Johnson, S, Florida

Michael Irving once famously say that point win championship. But sometime you gotta stop the other team from getting point. That mean you have to add some great defense players to the death chart and then you can play good defense if you has good defense player.

Chauncey Johnson-Johnson from my old school, the Gator. He have two Johnson in his name, which make me think of another great saying, that two Johnson better than one Johnson. I hear this when I past by my son room and playing a video on his computer gizmo. Then, later, I past by again, and I hear girl moan. I wonder what the blot of this movie can possibly be, probably someone realize that it better two has two Johnson better than one Johnson.

Holy crap that shit is hard to read..... I think maybe they ought to find a proof reader and teach him how to talk and write..... I feel dumber reading what was written

Butter 04-07-2019 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 115664)
Holy crap that shit is hard to read..... I think maybe they ought to find a proof reader and teach him how to talk and write..... I feel dumber reading what was written

You get that it is a parody right?

Puck 04-07-2019 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 115671)
You get that it is a parody right?

Ah.... got ya...

Then wrong forum fuckers!!!!

Dam8610 04-08-2019 12:45 AM

It's not a "mock draft", per se, but I'm thinking they go Tillery at 26 (unless Burns/Ferrell fall or they trade up for one of them), Simmons (or Tillery in the Burns/Ferrell scenario) at 34, and Juan Thornhill or Amani Hooker at 59.

Chromeburn 04-08-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115674)
It's not a "mock draft", per se, but I'm thinking they go Tillery at 26 (unless Burns/Ferrell fall or they trade up for one of them), Simmons (or Tillery in the Burns/Ferrell scenario) at 34, and Juan Thornhill or Amani Hooker at 59.

So if Burns and Ferrel are not there they go two DT’s with top two picks? I think if Simmons is there we have to take him. Like Warren Sapp dropping in the draft, Simmons is a top ten if not top five talent in this draft.

Chromeburn 04-08-2019 10:26 AM

NFL draft scout has been one of the more accurate mocks over the years. This mock by them feels pretty right overall. However I don’t see is drafting a receiver at 26.

26. Indianapolis – WR A.J. Brown, Mississippi: Adding an explosive playmaker such as Brown could be the luxury weapon that elevates the Colts offense into the upper-echelon.

https://footballmaven.io/nfldraftsco...EWDrRpU5B91SQ/

FatDT 04-08-2019 11:59 AM

We don't need a 1st round WR to have a top offense.

YDFL Commish 04-08-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115692)
NFL draft scout has been one of the more accurate mocks over the years. This mock by them feels pretty right overall. However I don’t see is drafting a receiver at 26.

26. Indianapolis – WR A.J. Brown, Mississippi: Adding an explosive playmaker such as Brown could be the luxury weapon that elevates the Colts offense into the upper-echelon.

https://footballmaven.io/nfldraftsco...EWDrRpU5B91SQ/

Grigson isn't drafting anymore.

VeveJones007 04-08-2019 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 115706)
Grigson isn't drafting anymore.

I think AJ Brown is the best receiver in the draft, but give me Ferrel, Simmons, or Abram based on who is available at 26 in that mock.

If Ballard really wants an EDGE, I think he needs to move up. I expect KC to jump in front of the Colts to try to replace Houston/Ford.

Dam8610 04-08-2019 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115691)
So if Burns and Ferrel are not there they go two DT’s with top two picks? I think if Simmons is there we have to take him. Like Warren Sapp dropping in the draft, Simmons is a top ten if not top five talent in this draft.

I'm all for drafting Simmons at 34, but it's too much of a risk at 26 for me. Let someone else risk a 1 on him if they're going to.

Coltsalr 04-08-2019 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115730)
I'm all for drafting Simmons at 34, but it's too much of a risk at 26 for me. Let someone else risk a 1 on him if they're going to.

You really believe the drop off between what we could get at 26 vs 34 is that significant?

In my mind, if they believe that Simmons is truly as good as the hype (the talent to become the next Suh) then you do it. If not, then I’m not sure imterested at #34 anyway.

YDFL Commish 04-08-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115707)
I think AJ Brown is the best receiver in the draft, but give me Ferrel, Simmons, or Abram based on who is available at 26 in that mock.

If Ballard really wants an EDGE, I think he needs to move up. I expect KC to jump in front of the Colts to try to replace Houston/Ford.

I agree that Brown may be the best WR in the draft. If Wilkins slips to 26, then Ballard is all over him. If not then I would want Murphy and then Tillery at 34 or vice versa.

I've got a feeling that Tillery has Pats written all over him if he's there at 32. He's just the type of versatile defender that BB drools over.

Chromeburn 04-08-2019 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115730)
I'm all for drafting Simmons at 34, but it's too much of a risk at 26 for me. Let someone else risk a 1 on him if they're going to.

It’s a difference of 8 picks. But spending a one would give you the 5 year option which might be nice considering the injury. Real chance he is gone at 34. I don’t know if he lasts to 26 if the run on defensive line happens that I suspect will happen.

YDFL Commish 04-08-2019 05:53 PM

What's the best case scenario for Simmons playing this season...maybe 8 games..and then how effective will he be?

Also he's got the baggage of punching a woman in the face. I'm pretty sure that Ballard will steer clear of that dude.

Butter 04-08-2019 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 115739)
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Also he's got the baggage of punching a woman in the face. I'm pretty sure that Ballard will steer clear of that dude.

If Ballard believes he has grown as a person and put that behavior in the past I think he would consider him.

Dam8610 04-08-2019 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 115735)
You really believe the drop off between what we could get at 26 vs 34 is that significant?

In my mind, if they believe that Simmons is truly as good as the hype (the talent to become the next Suh) then you do it. If not, then I’m not sure imterested at #34 anyway.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115738)
It’s a difference of 8 picks. But spending a one would give you the 5 year option which might be nice considering the injury. Real chance he is gone at 34. I don’t know if he lasts to 26 if the run on defensive line happens that I suspect will happen.

I think you don't risk a first round pick on an injured player, because of the higher trade value first round picks carry (fifth year option is very attractive to teams trying to get a QB). I also think the talent level of the other options the Colts will have at 26 among healthy players is enough to go for one of the healthy players on the board. I might feel differently about it in the position of the Raiders, Rams, or Cheaters, but that's not the position the Colts are in. Also, having watched the tape, Tillery could be as good as Simmons IMO, and won't be injured to start the season. You don't have to agree, but that's my take on it. Considering what happened with Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack in recent history, I think quite a few NFL talent evaluators agree.

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 115754)
If Ballard believes he has grown as a person and put that behavior in the past I think he would consider him.

Every coach he's ever had fully vouches for his character. Considering that incident happened when he was in high school, I think Ballard will be among the group who looks at it as an isolated incident rather than a character red flag.

Butter 04-08-2019 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115755)

Every coach he's ever had fully vouches for his character. Considering that incident happened when he was in high school, I think Ballard will be among the group who looks at it as an isolated incident rather than a character red flag.

That is the take I have from it all. He did something horrible, knows and owns it and has worked hard to be a decent person. If Ballard with the amount of research and info they can get on him decides he is OK, I a cool with it.

Chromeburn 04-09-2019 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115755)
I think you don't risk a first round pick on an injured player, because of the higher trade value first round picks carry (fifth year option is very attractive to teams trying to get a QB). I also think the talent level of the other options the Colts will have at 26 among healthy players is enough to go for one of the healthy players on the board. I might feel differently about it in the position of the Raiders, Rams, or Cheaters, but that's not the position the Colts are in. Also, having watched the tape, Tillery could be as good as Simmons IMO, and won't be injured to start the season. You don't have to agree, but that's my take on it. Considering what happened with Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack in recent history, I think quite a few NFL talent evaluators agree.

Every coach he's ever had fully vouches for his character. Considering that incident happened when he was in high school, I think Ballard will be among the group who looks at it as an isolated incident rather than a character red flag.

I think Tillery is underrated, but I don’t think he is a top ten player. Maybe he will be but Simmons is the better rated player and a DT doesn’t usually have an instant impact like a RB does. I’m ok with losing half a season or even a season of the guy turns out to be a Fletcher Cox type. Getting a ten year stud is worth the trade off for me.

Chromeburn 04-09-2019 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 115761)
That is the take I have from it all. He did something horrible, knows and owns it and has worked hard to be a decent person. If Ballard with the amount of research and info they can get on him decides he is OK, I a cool with it.

His sister was in a fight with the girl, he said he feared for his family. I don’t like the fact she was on her back at the time. But he was in high school and all the reports about him since then have been great. I didn’t not like the Mixon situation and did not want him. But the circumstances seem different here.

FatDT 04-09-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115780)
His sister was in a fight with the girl, he said he feared for his family. I don’t like the fact she was on her back at the time. But he was in high school and all the reports about him since then have been great. I didn’t not like the Mixon situation and did not want him. But the circumstances seem different here.

He has been a model citizen and kept his grades up. I can buy that he acted out-of-character because he had no priors and has done nothing since. But the idea that his sister is in danger is pretty ridiculous if you watch the video.

Luck4Reich 04-09-2019 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 115784)
He has been a model citizen and kept his grades up. I can buy that he acted out-of-character because he had no priors and has done nothing since. But the idea that his sister is in danger is pretty ridiculous if you watch the video.

The only thing his sister was in danger of was not finding a buffet with enough food to make her happy.

Dam8610 04-09-2019 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115779)
I think Tillery is underrated, but I don’t think he is a top ten player. Maybe he will be but Simmons is the better rated player and a DT doesn’t usually have an instant impact like a RB does. I’m ok with losing half a season or even a season of the guy turns out to be a Fletcher Cox type. Getting a ten year stud is worth the trade off for me.

I never thought Simmons was a top 10 player. Top 15-20, sure, and he was consistently mocked to the Falcons before his injury, but never top 10 for me. This puts him in the same category for me as Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack: Top 15ish player who suffered a freak knee injury and fell to the top of round 2 as a result. If you could guarantee that he'd be Fletcher Cox after the time he misses with this injury, I wouldn't hesitate to pick him at 26, either, but also he'd be long gone before that, maybe even in the top ten. Unfortunately we don't know how he'll perform and the injury is just another risk factor that could potentially hinder his success. For me, Tillery grades in a similar range but doesn't have the risk factor of the injury to deal with. That's why taking Tillery at 26 or trading down would be options I would use before taking Simmons at 26. I see the value at 34 in part because historically that is where players like Simmons have gone.

Chromeburn 04-09-2019 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 115784)
He has been a model citizen and kept his grades up. I can buy that he acted out-of-character because he had no priors and has done nothing since. But the idea that his sister is in danger is pretty ridiculous if you watch the video.

I agree at the moment he seemed to be piling on. I’m just passing on what he has said. But we didn’t see the whole fight, just that clip of it. This is a situation where it would come down to the interview for me, unfortunately we don’t have that access.

Chromeburn 04-09-2019 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115804)
I never thought Simmons was a top 10 player. Top 15-20, sure, and he was consistently mocked to the Falcons before his injury, but never top 10 for me. This puts him in the same category for me as Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack: Top 15ish player who suffered a freak knee injury and fell to the top of round 2 as a result. If you could guarantee that he'd be Fletcher Cox after the time he misses with this injury, I wouldn't hesitate to pick him at 26, either, but also he'd be long gone before that, maybe even in the top ten. Unfortunately we don't know how he'll perform and the injury is just another risk factor that could potentially hinder his success. For me, Tillery grades in a similar range but doesn't have the risk factor of the injury to deal with. That's why taking Tillery at 26 or trading down would be options I would use before taking Simmons at 26. I see the value at 34 in part because historically that is where players like Simmons have gone.

I think he is a top five player in this draft (a strong DT draft) if healthy and no off field crap. To the Falcons seems a little low to me. I think he would have been right behind Q Williams, Bosa and Allen talent wise. At the end of the process I think he would have been top ten with QBs and defensive schemes dropping him a bit. He should project as a better player than Tillery, (and I like Tillery) but if I could guarantee this I would be working in a front office. I don’t mind drafting dropping players, I would have taken that Michigan DT last year. It’s a gamble but has a high payout if you hit.

Dam8610 04-09-2019 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115825)
I think he is a top five player in this draft (a strong DT draft) if healthy and no off field crap. To the Falcons seems a little low to me. I think he would have been right behind Q Williams, Bosa and Allen talent wise. At the end of the process I think he would have been top ten with QBs and defensive schemes dropping him a bit. He should project as a better player than Tillery, (and I like Tillery) but if I could guarantee this I would be working in a front office. I don’t mind drafting dropping players, I would have taken that Michigan DT last year. It’s a gamble but has a high payout if you hit.

For me he was never even a top 5 DL. That's where our disagreement is. Even if healthy, I'd have William's, Sweat, Oliver, Bosa, and Allen ahead of Simmons.

VeveJones007 04-09-2019 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115804)
I never thought Simmons was a top 10 player. Top 15-20, sure, and he was consistently mocked to the Falcons before his injury, but never top 10 for me. This puts him in the same category for me as Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack: Top 15ish player who suffered a freak knee injury and fell to the top of round 2 as a result. If you could guarantee that he'd be Fletcher Cox after the time he misses with this injury, I wouldn't hesitate to pick him at 26, either, but also he'd be long gone before that, maybe even in the top ten. Unfortunately we don't know how he'll perform and the injury is just another risk factor that could potentially hinder his success. For me, Tillery grades in a similar range but doesn't have the risk factor of the injury to deal with. That's why taking Tillery at 26 or trading down would be options I would use before taking Simmons at 26. I see the value at 34 in part because historically that is where players like Simmons have gone.

I still say most of you are off on Tillery. If they trade Henry Anderson for a late pick, they aren’t spending a high pick on another player best suited for a 5T. Maybe we’ll know in a couple weeks one way or the other.

YDFL Commish 04-09-2019 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115847)
I still say most of you are off on Tillery. If they trade Henry Anderson for a late pick, they aren’t spending a high pick on another player best suited for a 5T. Maybe we’ll know in a couple weeks one way or the other.

I guess that we should agree to disagree, because I don't see Tillery as strictly a 5-tech.

I could be wrong in that evaluation, but at the end of the day I have to believe that he has more versatility than strictly playing a 5-tech role.

Dam8610 04-10-2019 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115847)
I still say most of you are off on Tillery. If they trade Henry Anderson for a late pick, they aren’t spending a high pick on another player best suited for a 5T. Maybe we’ll know in a couple weeks one way or the other.

He could play 5 tech, but he's not the type of player that would be pigeonholed to strictly that role. In fact it's the versatility I see that I think the Colts will covet. He has size, length, and athleticism that shows through on tape and in measurables, and could theoretically play 3 positions on the Colts DL, those being NT, UT and run down DE. I'm honestly curious as to what tape of him you watched that has you so convinced that 5 tech DE in a 3-4 is his only viable NFL role.

VeveJones007 04-10-2019 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115870)
He could play 5 tech, but he's not the type of player that would be pigeonholed to strictly that role. In fact it's the versatility I see that I think the Colts will covet. He has size, length, and athleticism that shows through on tape and in measurables, and could theoretically play 3 positions on the Colts DL, those being NT, UT and run down DE. I'm honestly curious as to what tape of him you watched that has you so convinced that 5 tech DE in a 3-4 is his only viable NFL role.

Watch any tape of his and notice how he attacks the OL. He’s chest to chest and beats a guard (usually) with power. He isn’t beating the guard off the snap and behind him before the guard can get his hands on him.

That last part is what the Colts want. The first part leads me to believe he would be great in a 2 gap scheme. Maybe he can play with more speed, but I don’t see any tape to show it. Just watch some Christian Wilkins and notice how often he slices or sidesteps through gaps. That’s what Eberflus wants.

Dam8610 04-10-2019 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115879)
Watch any tape of his and notice how he attacks the OL. He’s chest to chest and beats a guard (usually) with power. He isn’t beating the guard off the snap and behind him before the guard can get his hands on him.

That last part is what the Colts want. The first part leads me to believe he would be great in a 2 gap scheme. Maybe he can play with more speed, but I don’t see any tape to show it. Just watch some Christian Wilkins and notice how often he slices or sidesteps through gaps. That’s what Eberflus wants.

What I see is that he's usually using his length to keep a guard off of him and is usually able to use that length to penetrate a gap and/or generate interior pressure. The way he attacks also allows him to stay more disciplined in gap contain and thus he doesn't have teams running at him for big gains. He has the explosiveness to knife through a gap if he needs to, but his other traits make that a risk he doesn't have to take to generate interior pressure.

Chromeburn 04-10-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115847)
I still say most of you are off on Tillery. If they trade Henry Anderson for a late pick, they aren’t spending a high pick on another player best suited for a 5T. Maybe we’ll know in a couple weeks one way or the other.

But Henry Anderson has been a 5-tech since college. He never played in anything but a 3-4 college or pro. Tillery has been a DT in a 4-3 all through college. The situations are not the same. Tillery has showed enough burst to be a 3-tech and has a frame that could put on more weight and could potentially play NT. The guy seems pretty scheme diverse. Also you have to ask what the defense asked of him, ND likes to keep their LBs free from linemen. Tillery’s RAS score is just below Q Williams so he has the athletiscm.

Chromeburn 04-10-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115836)
For me he was never even a top 5 DL. That's where our disagreement is. Even if healthy, I'd have William's, Sweat, Oliver, Bosa, and Allen ahead of Simmons.

That’s the nice thing about the draft. We will find out in a couple years how these guy turn out.

omahacolt 04-10-2019 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115886)
But Henry Anderson has been a 5-tech since college. He never played in anything but a 3-4 college or pro. Tillery has been a DT in a 4-3 all through college. The situations are not the same. Tillery has showed enough burst to be a 3-tech and has a frame that could put on more weight and could potentially play NT. The guy seems pretty scheme diverse. Also you have to ask what the defense asked of him, ND likes to keep their LBs free from linemen. Tillery’s RAS score is just below Q Williams so he has the athletiscm.

Anderson played 3 tech here a good amount. He was pretty good at it

Chromeburn 04-10-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 115890)
Anderson played 3 tech here a good amount. He was pretty good at it

When was that? He was always at end I thought.

Well fuck, I guess he played a lot of 3-tech at Stanford too in nickle packages. Well just ignore my earlier post, I thought he was always a 5-tech. I really wonder why they did let him go then.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...henry-anderson

VeveJones007 04-10-2019 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115907)
When was that? He was always at end I thought.

Well fuck, I guess he played a lot of 3-tech at Stanford too in nickle packages. Well just ignore my earlier post, I thought he was always a 5-tech. I really wonder why they did let him go then.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...henry-anderson

Because the whole point of Eberflus’s one gap system is to get through the gap before the OL even engages. You need a special get off, which Anderson and Tillery don’t have. They win with length and strength, not pure speed.

VeveJones007 04-10-2019 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115883)
What I see is that he's usually using his length to keep a guard off of him and is usually able to use that length to penetrate a gap and/or generate interior pressure. The way he attacks also allows him to stay more disciplined in gap contain and thus he doesn't have teams running at him for big gains. He has the explosiveness to knife through a gap if he needs to, but his other traits make that a risk he doesn't have to take to generate interior pressure.

That’s all well and good, but it isn’t Eberflus’s scheme. He wants that penetration first and foremost. Wreck havoc in the backfield, then the LBs clean up.

omahacolt 04-10-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115915)
Because the whole point of Eberflus’s one gap system is to get through the gap before the OL even engages. You need a special get off, which Anderson and Tillery don’t have. They win with length and strength, not pure speed.

Winning is important. Who cares how it happens?

Dam8610 04-10-2019 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 115922)
Winning is important. Who cares how it happens?

Exactly. Using length and strength to win is just as good as using explosion to win, maybe even better in some cases because it causes less exposure to a big play in the run game.

Also, based on where Eberflus came from, he values length and athleticism in all his DL.

VeveJones007 04-10-2019 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 115922)
Winning is important. Who cares how it happens?

Ballard and Eberflus do. Again, I’m arguing what I believe they think, as evidenced by statements and moves that they’ve made. I think they prefer interior DL who get penetration immediately and I don’t think Tillery fits that mold; thus, I don’t think they’ll view him as a fit worthy of a top 34 pick.

I could be completely wrong. Maybe Tillery is capable. Maybe Eberflus wants more players with versatility so that he can change depending on opponent, conditions, down/distance, etc.


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