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JAFF 08-19-2018 07:51 AM

kravitz on leaving camp
 
https://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz...e-right-tackle


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WESTFIELD, Ind. (WTHR) - So it's over. Camp, that is, at least the portion of it here in Grand Park. Guys get to go home, see their significant others. Andrew Luck? He likely goes home and shaves that 'stache, seeing as how his girlfriend isn't crazy about it.

If you're asking me what I thought of camp – and you ARE asking me that, right? – I would say that Luck looks great, the interior of the O-line and the entire defensive line look like strengths, Westfield has been a terrific host, replete with the nearby white barn and crowing roosters providing a perfect Hoosier tableau, and while the Colts have answered the Luck question, they haven't answered many more beyond that.

Some thoughts as Westfield vanishes in my rear-view mirror:

Frank Reich, who is not a football meathead, does not like fighting when it comes to competing in joint practices. He made that loud and clear Saturday afternoon after the Colts-Ravens practice turned into a 1970's-era hockey game with skirmish after skirmish, including one that threatened to get completely out of hand.

"I'm not happy about that, very disappointed about that,'' he said. "That's not what Colts fans can expect from this team. We're football players, professional football players, not fighters, not MMA; we're not in a cage, so that's unacceptable. We've got little kids in the stands. That's not what we're looking for (from role models). We want to find ways to execute football plays and win games. So it's very disappointing and it led to a sloppy practice, at least on offense, from what I saw…We have to learn to translate that aggression into good competitive play.''

Asked how he'd want the team to respond to a fight, Reich said, "To be a tough team, when a teammate gets in harm's way, you protect him, and the way you protect him is you get him out of (the fight). There's no place for that. It's bush league. Undisciplined teams and player that do that, lose in the long run – they lose. And that's not the kind of team we want to be.''

As I mentioned, Luck looks terrific (with or without facial hair) and we'll see him play into the second quarter Monday at home against the Baltimore Ravens. During practice this week, we saw more long throws. My sense is, the Colts would like to get the ball downfield, especially to T.Y. Hilton, but with issues at left and right tackle, the Colts are disinclined to take any chances. Luck was the biggest question heading into camp and he's answered them perfectly, but there are so many questions in so many other places. Like…
Who's the right tackle? The Colts signed Austin Howard as a free agent this summer, but the last week of camp, we've seen rookie Braden Smith, who was selected as a guard, get ample time in that spot with the first-team unit. Denzelle Good was also be in the mix, but he's hurt.
Who's going to protect T.Y. Hilton? For Hilton to be at his best, he needs a bookend receiver or two who will command some of the opposition's attention. Otherwise, Hilton will have two guys in his shorts every time he steps onto the field. Ryan Grant has had a solid camp, but he's not a major play-maker. Chester Rogers makes a nice play, then he disappears, then he makes a nice player, then he disappears… The loss of rookie Deon Cain is undeniably tough. Then you've got a bunch of rookies fighting for spots, and while they have had their moments, I'd be hard pressed to name the fourth, fifth and sixth receivers on this team.
Is it too soon to take some issue with Chris Ballard's first Colts draft last year? Neither defensive end Tarell Basham nor cornerback Quincy Wilson has made an impact, at least not the kind of impact you'd expect from second-year guys who were drafted in the third and second rounds. Right now, Basham is running with the third team and playing behind John Simon and Margus Hunt, the latter having caught the eye of the defensive coaches. Unless Wilson plays well in preseason games, it looks like Kenny Moore II is the leader in the clubhouse, with Pierre Desir on the other side.
Here was defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus when he was asked to evaluate Basham:

"He's been solid,'' he said. "He knows the things that he has to work on and he's continued to do that. He is working day-to-day to improve. That's where Tarell is right now.''

Let me translate: "He hasn't done squat. We hoped by now he would be ready to do something, but…nope.''

The running back situation is grim, but it could brighten these next few weeks if the Colts see something from Nyheim Hines and a guy who has caught my eye, Jordan Wilkins. For the time being, though, it's kind of ugly. Marlon Mack, who may or may not be worthy of a starting spot, is injured. Robert Turbin is suspended for four games. The Turbin suspension didn't get a lot of local play because he was primarily a short-yardage back until his injury and hardly a household name. Looking at the Colts' running back situation, his suspension has the potential to be a killer. We won't dive too deeply into what happened and why – Turbin addressed the media the first day of camp – but what he did was ultimately a selfish and foolish act by someone who counts as one of the few veterans on the team.
I've learned a lot about music during training camp. Every now and again, they'll play something I know, like Green Day, but mostly, I'm turning toward my younger colleagues and asking who the artist is. I don't mind the music in the least, but why do they play it throughout football practice? I totally understand the necessity of playing loud noise or music to replicate a road stadium like Seattle, but is it necessary the entire practice? Do they play music during Pacers' practices? No.
In other news, I would like you to get off my lawn.

The best part about training camp is standing next to Rick Venturi and seeing the practice through his eyes. As a journalist, I watch the quarterback, the receivers, the basic stuff. He sees it through an entirely different lens. Like I listen to the music, and he reads the sheet music. I firmly believe that unless you play football at a high level – like college – you don't truly understand all its subtleties and intricacies. Like, I couldn't begin to tell you what the SAM linebacker's responsibilities are on a given play. But Rick does – he's been a coach for 50 years – and he's more than happy to share his knowledge in a way that is illuminating without being too inside-baseball.
Iron still sharpens iron. We thought that line might be eradicated from the Colts' lexicon once Chuck Pagano was let go, but Luck dropped the old "iron sharpens iron'' line, at which point we begged him not to saying anything about "chopping wood.''
When a coach says there's lots of competition at a given position, what he's saying really is, "I don't have a stud at that position. I don't even know if we have anybody who can play. At all.''
Four players worth watching, guys who have grabbed the notice of the people who matter: tight ends Ross Travis and Mo Alie-Cox (look out, Eric Swoope), Margus Hunt and Denico Autry.
Quenton Nelson looks like everything he was supposed to be and figures to be a future Pro Bowler. That said, I still would have signed a guard in free agency and either stayed at No. 3 in the draft and taken Bradley Chubb, or traded down to six and tabbed linebacker Roquan Smith. I know guards are going higher and higher in the draft, but game-changing defensive players, especially pass rushers like Chubb, don't come along often.
I'm not sure I buy into the idea that you stay away from impact free agents until you're one, two or three players away from contention. I think you use everything in your toolbox, especially when you have more than $70 million at your disposal.

Farewell, Westfield.

I will miss your plentiful roundabouts.
Despite any sensational writing (it's what columnists do to get us to read) I agree with the article. This team has a long way to go.

omahacolt 08-19-2018 09:27 AM

He is right. Ballard’s approach is stupid.

Colt Classic 08-19-2018 10:19 AM

Nice to see that Pagano's wisdom remains with Luck. "Iron sharpens iron." :cool: I'm holding out hope to be pleasantly surprised as columnists are often wrong, but I can't recall any of them seeing even a glimmer of hope for impact players outside of a select few starters. Six, maybe seven wins at best.

Puck 08-19-2018 10:44 AM

Nice to see he calls the entire D Line a strength. Is Ridgeway the 3 tech?

Puck 08-19-2018 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75136)
He is right. Ballard’s approach is stupid.

I think he will make some moves once cuts happen


Also Seattle offered the Colts a second recently for Brissett and Ballard said no

omahacolt 08-19-2018 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 75142)
I think he will make some moves once cuts happen


Also Seattle offered the Colts a second recently for Brissett and Ballard said no

Reportedly

I would like to see that come from elsewhere to fully buy it.

YDFL Commish 08-19-2018 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 75141)
Nice to see he calls the entire D Line a strength. Is Ridgeway the 3 tech?

Yeah, behind Autry.

omahacolt 08-19-2018 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 75142)
I think he will make some moves once cuts happen


Also Seattle offered the Colts a second recently for Brissett and Ballard said no

Of course he is going to go bargain shopping during cuts. All teams do.

This team needs more than that.

Puck 08-19-2018 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75148)
Reportedly

I would like to see that come from elsewhere to fully buy it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...colts-brissett

JAFF 08-19-2018 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75150)
Of course he is going to go bargain shopping during cuts. All teams do.

This team needs more than that.

He can outbid teams looking for "bargins" and add nice incentives for end of the year.

omahacolt 08-19-2018 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 75162)
He can outbid teams looking for "bargins" and add nice incentives for end of the year.

On dudes that couldn’t make a team.

Yay

omahacolt 08-19-2018 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 75157)

A report on the same report. Awesome.

Coltsalr 08-19-2018 03:23 PM

@RapSheet
A stunner: The #Bengals are releasing starting safety George Iloka, per @MikeGarafolo and me. He’s started every game he’s played in since 2013. Purely a financial decision, but a 28-year-old safety hitting the market at this point is good news for interested teams.


Welp, no sooner do we talk about guys with talent hitting the open market...

I do think that Safety has the potential to be the bright spot of this D with Geathars/Hooker, but that’s just potential. Given that neither of them finished he season last year I’m not sure we should be sticking our noses up at this. That, and our defense needs a talent infusion, period.

omahacolt 08-19-2018 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 75157)

La confora says this didn’t happen

Puck 08-19-2018 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75182)
La confora says this didn’t happen

I wouldn’t trade him yet anyway. Maybe next yr. because after that he is going to hit the open market and get a lot more than we are paying him now

JAFF 08-19-2018 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75165)
On dudes that couldn’t make a team.

Yay

It isn't always about a lack of talent, younger guys can do as well for less get vets cut

Oldcolt 08-19-2018 09:05 PM

Ballard wants to build thru the draft. In order to do that you need to let the players you draft play. He appears set on doing just that.

YDFL Commish 08-19-2018 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 75198)
Ballard wants to build thru the draft. In order to do that you need to let the players you draft play. He appears set on doing just that.

I agree. I've got high hopes for Braden Smith, Darius Leonard and Skai Moore. Nelson should be a perennial All Pro and Deon Caine may have been on his way to becoming at WR3. Wilkins has been promsing and Hines needs to show more.

If all of those guys hit, Ballard is genius.

Racehorse 08-20-2018 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 75200)
I agree. I've got high hopes for Braden Smith, Darius Leonard and Skai Moore. Nelson should be a perennial All Pro and Deon Caine may have been on his way to becoming at WR3. Wilkins has been promsing and Hines needs to show more.

If all of those guys hit, Ballard is genius.

"If" is one of the smallest, yet most powerful words in our language.

rm1369 08-20-2018 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 75198)
Ballard wants to build thru the draft. In order to do that you need to let the players you draft play. He appears set on doing just that.

There are way to many holes on the roster to be solved strictly through the draft. They are paper thin and / or lacking talent at LB, WR, and CB even if 3/4 of his draft picks pan out. And they are lacking play makers at plenty of other positions. QB, TE, and the two kickers are the only positions that I’m comfortable with the overall talent level. OL is definitely better but RT at least is still a concern. And they are screwed if Castonzo misses significant time at any point. Leaving major holes in the roster while hoarding cap space so that you can see if your 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round draft picks pan out is fuckng asinine. I understand building a culture, I just disagree that you can only do that strictly through the draft. It certainly means you do your homework and you don’t bring in the Dez Bryants. But Ballard’s approach is costing years from our franchise QB. To me it screams arrogance and I simply don’t agree with the approach with Luck in place.

And before someone uses Grigson as an example of why Ballard is right to build this way let me say that just because it’s the opposite of Grigsons approach doesn’t make it right. As tempting as that is to believe. Grigson was an ass and a horrible GM, but the general idea of using free agency as a stop gap to increase the talent level until young guys took over wasn’t in itself the problem IMO. Grigsons problem was that he sucked at talent evaluation, wasn’t on the same page as his coach, and the coaching staff generally sucked. The one thing Grigson did right was bring up the talent level through free agency while not hurting their cap situation long term. The problem was the young guys were never developed. Free agency wasn’t the problem, shitty drafting and poor coaching was. Even with those two major downfalls the team got to an AFC title game. Werethey legit contenders? Of course not. They did it on the back of Luck and a shitty division. A franchise QB gives you a chance. Which is exactly why it sucks to look at the major holes on the roster and know how much cap space was available.

Brylok 08-20-2018 09:52 AM

7-9? They haven't even played 2 pre-season games yet...

Oldcolt 08-20-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 75223)
There are way to many holes on the roster to be solved strictly through the draft. They are paper thin and / or lacking talent at LB, WR, and CB even if 3/4 of his draft picks pan out. And they are lacking play makers at plenty of other positions. QB, TE, and the two kickers are the only positions that I’m comfortable with the overall talent level. OL is definitely better but RT at least is still a concern. And they are screwed if Castonzo misses significant time at any point. Leaving major holes in the roster while hoarding cap space so that you can see if your 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round draft picks pan out is fuckng asinine. I understand building a culture, I just disagree that you can only do that strictly through the draft. It certainly means you do your homework and you don’t bring in the Dez Bryants. But Ballard’s approach is costing years from our franchise QB. To me it screams arrogance and I simply don’t agree with the approach with Luck in place.

And before someone uses Grigson as an example of why Ballard is right to build this way let me say that just because it’s the opposite of Grigsons approach doesn’t make it right. As tempting as that is to believe. Grigson was an ass and a horrible GM, but the general idea of using free agency as a stop gap to increase the talent level until young guys took over wasn’t in itself the problem IMO. Grigsons problem was that he sucked at talent evaluation, wasn’t on the same page as his coach, and the coaching staff generally sucked. The one thing Grigson did right was bring up the talent level through free agency while not hurting their cap situation long term. The problem was the young guys were never developed. Free agency wasn’t the problem, shitty drafting and poor coaching was. Even with those two major downfalls the team got to an AFC title game. Werethey legit contenders? Of course not. They did it on the back of Luck and a shitty division. A franchise QB gives you a chance. Which is exactly why it sucks to look at the major holes on the roster and know how much cap space was available.

I guess I look at it from the perspective that there are way to many holes on this team to fill them, and be successful, with free agents-essentially other teams cast offs. Ballard is trying to lay a foundation for this team. I cannot name a winning team whose foundation is built upon free agents. There is no choice but to build thru the draft. If you have faith that you are bringing in good players the cap space will be utilized keeping them and hopefully helping to round out the roster later. We are probably (cause you never know) not going to be a super bowl contender for several years. I'm going to enjoy watching us grow into one.

omahacolt 08-20-2018 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 75241)
I guess I look at it from the perspective that there are way to many holes on this team to fill them, and be successful, with free agents-essentially other teams cast offs. Ballard is trying to lay a foundation for this team. I cannot name a winning team whose foundation is built upon free agents. There is no choice but to build thru the draft. If you have faith that you are bringing in good players the cap space will be utilized keeping them and hopefully helping to round out the roster later. We are probably (cause you never know) not going to be a super bowl contender for several years. I'm going to enjoy watching us grow into one.

Ballard would be a major failure if it took several years to build a contender.

You build your foundation on good players. Free agents can very well form that foundation. It is nonsense to think you can only use one resource to build a winning team.

rm1369 08-20-2018 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 75241)
I guess I look at it from the perspective that there are way to many holes on this team to fill them, and be successful, with free agents-essentially other teams cast offs. Ballard is trying to lay a foundation for this team. I cannot name a winning team whose foundation is built upon free agents. There is no choice but to build thru the draft. If you have faith that you are bringing in good players the cap space will be utilized keeping them and hopefully helping to round out the roster later. We are probably (cause you never know) not going to be a super bowl contender for several years. I'm going to enjoy watching us grow into one.

For me it’s not a matter of building a foundation through free agency - that’s not the suggestion. I’d say you are absolutely correct that the draft is where your foundation has to come from. No matter how you build the draft should always be your primary source of talent. The issue is ignoring other avenues of improvement. Plenty of good teams supplement their rosters with free agents. The key is being smart about it - both in terms of who you add and in maintaining long term flexibility. I’m not at all suggesting that Ballard should have blew all the available cap space on whoever would take it. But do you really believe that he couldn’t have improved the WR or LB groups more than he has? They are paper thin and we are hoping that late round draft picks and undrafted free agents step up and make meaningful contributions. When the preaseason injury to a 6th round WR is looked at as a big blow to your WR depth, your WR depth was shit before the injury. It’s one thing if you allocated all your resources elsewhere- every roster has holes. But when you can barely point to any strong position groups on the roster (QB, TE, kickers) and you have tens of millions in cap space available to me in simply shows you are wasting opportunities to improve. Grigson already wasted way to many of Lucks years. I don’t want to watch Ballard throw away more as he fixes everything through the draft. There are to many holes for that.

Maniac 08-20-2018 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75247)
It is nonsense to think you can only use one resource to build a winning team.

Ballard hasn't used only one resource. He used the draft and he brought in free agents. That's clearly not one resource.

omahacolt 08-20-2018 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 75249)
Ballard hasn't used only one resource. He used the draft and he brought in free agents. That's clearly not one resource.

He clearly spent a buck fifty on free agents.

rm1369 08-20-2018 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75250)
He clearly spent a buck fifty on free agents.

With most of them on one year contracts without even a team option for next year.

VeveJones007 08-20-2018 12:36 PM

2017 draft isn't looking too great at this moment. Of course, that could change. That being said, the 2018 draft will be a much better way of assessing Ballard. You can't fully judge a GM until he has his scouts in place.

Oldcolt 08-20-2018 12:38 PM

I guess I think that this is such a young team, with new coaches and systems that it makes sense to find out what you have before you start to supplement it. And I continue to like that Ballard has a plan and is sticking to it. That is half the battle.There is more than one way to build a team but you need to pick one and stick to it. Ballard does bring in free agents, he just doesn't emphasize it.

Maniac 08-20-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75250)
He clearly spent a buck fifty on free agents.

He did bring some in, and didn't rely only on the draft.

omahacolt 08-20-2018 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 75265)
He did bring some in, and didn't rely only on the draft.

No shit, Jesus

JAFF 08-20-2018 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75302)
No shit, Jesus

Hey, watch your mouth. He's got some pull with God and you are going to ROAST

omahacolt 08-20-2018 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 75311)
Hey, watch your mouth. He's got some pull with God and you are going to ROAST

I’m pure as the driven snow

JAFF 08-20-2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75319)
I’m pure as the driven snow

Tempting fate, just saying

Chromeburn 08-20-2018 07:36 PM

I'm not ready to condemn his method yet. Next year should be a good FA class, lets see if he gets some guys. Some of the guys he has brought in have been competitive for the most part.

Losing Cain sucks, sounds like the WR core is Hilton a lot of youth and some "Meh." But with a new system on both sides of the ball, new coaches, a tough early schedule... I don't know if this year will be a great year.

What I really want to see if all the young guys improve with more playing time, reps is the best way to bring your young guys along. I guess that is why I'm not so worried about the lack of FA, bc they would take reps away from young guys that really need it.

YDFL Commish 08-20-2018 07:45 PM

As I've said before, if this team is competing for a playoff spot before the trade deadline, then Ballard will be looking to make a trade to make the team better.

Also, don't forget that he's got an extra 2nd rd pick to offer.

Dam8610 08-20-2018 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 75329)
As I've said before, if this team is competing for a playoff spot before the trade deadline, then Ballard will be looking to make a trade to make the team better.

Also, don't forget that he's got an extra 2nd rd pick to offer.

The Colts need 3 top 50 draft picks in the upcoming draft. The DL depth is insanely good.

YDFL Commish 08-20-2018 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 75334)
The Colts need 3 top 50 draft picks in the upcoming draft. The DL depth is insanely good.

I would have no qualms with trading up to get that DL talent either.

FatDT 08-21-2018 09:25 AM

The area Ballard clearly needed to dip into FA for was OL. Ignoring OL in FA was a big mistake. He admitted it himself. The interior OL looks ok and should be a strength going forward, but look at our edges. Smith should be the primary backup guard and in-line to start at RG once he's developed a bit. He should not be forced into handling RT because Howard sucks and we have no one else. That is going to mess up his development as a guard.

I don't know why so many people look at FA in this black or white way. Like you can ONLY build your foundation via the draft or you can ONLY operate like the Dan Snyder Redskins buying big name FAs that don't work out. Just sign quality players that will help your team to good contracts. It's not that complicated.

Maniac 08-21-2018 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75302)
No shit, Jesus

No shit that you should stop making dumb statements like this:

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 75247)
It is nonsense to think you can only use one resource to build a winning team.



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