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Butter 06-19-2018 09:16 PM

Interesting analysis on just how awful the play calling was in 2017.
 
http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com...the-2017-colts

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The 2017 Colts are the ONLY team in the last 27 years to lose at least 7 games which they led at halftime.

The 2017 Colts are the ONLY team in the last 20 years to hold a lead entering the 4th quarter in at least 9 games, but win no more than 4 games.

Last year, a total of five teams held a lead entering the 4th quarter in 9 games. Every team posted a winning record (aside from the Colts):
Jaguars (10 wins)
Chiefs (10 wins)
Falcons (10 wins)
Chargers (9 wins)
Colts (4 wins)

In their first 11 games of the season, the Colts led entering the 4th quarter in 8 games. The only two teams that led entering the 4th quarter more than 8 games (through 11) were the Super Bowl Champion Eagles and the Super Bowl runner-up Patriots.
There is a lot of breakdown of the why in the post, worthwhile read. It is all stuff we saw with our eyes and bitched about in posts, but seeing a statistical analysis of it is interesting. Show just how bad Clappy and crew were, fuck those guys.

JAFF 06-19-2018 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 70380)
http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com...the-2017-colts



There is a lot of breakdown of the why in the post, worthwhile read. It is all stuff we saw with our eyes and bitched about in posts, but seeing a statistical analysis of it is interesting. Show just how bad Clappy and crew were, fuck those guys.

They were the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

1965southpaw 06-19-2018 10:33 PM

Is it Groundhog Day? :p

Oldcolt 06-20-2018 06:06 AM

Reading this, especially the 100% run part, actually made me slightly nauseated

albany ed 06-20-2018 06:30 AM

It should give us fans reasons for optimism. We get Luck back, we have a capable back up, a coaching staff that shouldn't be making game losing decisions, and an improved OL.

JAFF 06-20-2018 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 70392)
Reading this, especially the 100% run part, actually made me slightly nauseated

With Brissett at qb, Doyle and Hilton the only consistent recievers, they really had few options. Put that with an offensive staff with 0 imagination, we have last season

Sad realization, the O coordinator could have done a better job pulling random plays out of a jar.

omahacolt 06-20-2018 07:26 AM

Worst coach in the history of the league

Johanvil 06-20-2018 07:44 AM

Probably even worse than Rich Kotite.

Coltsalr 06-20-2018 08:57 AM

Dam’s lofty praise for Pagano in 3...2...1...

HoosierinFL 06-20-2018 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 70383)
Is it Groundhog Day? :p

yea its been posted a couple times already but I don't mind, its one of the reasons for my optimism this year. This was a team that was better than its record, personnel wise. And despite some issues with how the d-line was handled this off-season, I think Ballard has definitely improved the personnel.
New coaches alone would add 4-5 wins to that total. Add in Luck.

JAFF 06-20-2018 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Johanvil (Post 70399)
Probably even worse than Rich Kotite.

For just the Eagles or both Eagles and Jets? Seriously, he had an extra shot at sucking.

Colts And Orioles 06-20-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 70380)



http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com...the-2017-colts



There is a lot of breakdown of the why in the post, worthwhile read. It is all stuff we saw with our eyes and bitched about in posts, but seeing a statistical analysis of it is interesting. Show just how bad Clappy and crew were, fuck those guys.



o



The Colts and the Jets were the proverbial Washington Generals of the NFL in 2017.


http://coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29114


You just knew that the Globetrotters (Colts opponents/Jets opponents) were going to find a way to come back and win the game at the final buzzer/gun.



o

Dam8610 06-20-2018 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 70401)
Dam’s lofty praise for Pagano in 3...2...1...

You clearly don't pay attention. Playcalling was the biggest issue I had with Pagano, and ultimately the reason I think he lost his job. Just because I don't agree with the asinine opinion held by most here that he's the worst head coach in NFL history (which more than anything shows how spoiled this fanbase has been for the last two plus decades) doesn't mean I can't levy, see the reasoning behind, and agree with an actual fair criticism with a legitimate basis behind it. You confuse "not conforming with board groupthink" with "lofty praise".

Coltsalr 06-20-2018 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 70446)
You clearly don't pay attention. Playcalling was the biggest issue I had with Pagano, and ultimately the reason I think he lost his job. Just because I don't agree with the asinine opinion held by most here that he's the worst head coach in NFL history (which more than anything shows how spoiled this fanbase has been for the last two plus decades) doesn't mean I can't levy, see the reasoning behind, and agree with an actual fair criticism with a legitimate basis behind it. You confuse "not conforming with board groupthink" with "lofty praise".

The coach before Pagano was incompetent, too. So hardly spoiled.

To be more accurate, it's been a decade since this fanbase has been spoiled by any coach.

Dam8610 06-20-2018 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 70449)
The coach before Pagano was incompetent, too. So hardly spoiled.

To be more accurate, it's been a decade since this fanbase has been spoiled by any coach.

Spoiled in results. This team hasn't had a truly great head coach since Shula. It hasn't had a truly terrible coach really ever, but Meyer is the closest thing I can find to one.

JAFF 06-20-2018 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 70453)
Spoiled in results. This team hasn't had a truly great head coach since Shula. It hasn't had a truly terrible coach really ever, but Meyer is the closest thing I can find to one.

..Buddy, he couldn't get the ball on the correct hash in a snow bowl to let Adam V have a chance to win it. Put me on that hash coach..........and he failed.

Pagano, a great guy. Lousy head coach. It would be worse if he was a great coach, and a lousy human being. Oh, he would be Belicheat. :eek:

YDFL Commish 06-20-2018 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 70453)
Spoiled in results. This team hasn't had a truly great head coach since Shula. It hasn't had a truly terrible coach really ever, but Meyer is the closest thing I can find to one.

Your recollection of history must be foggy. Here is a list of terrible Colts HC's:

Lindy Infante, Rod Dowhower, Frank Kush, Mike McCormack. Meyer was actually a decent HC.

Dam8610 06-21-2018 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 70467)
Your recollection of history must be foggy. Here is a list of terrible Colts HC's:

Lindy Infante, Rod Dowhower, Frank Kush, Mike McCormack. Meyer was actually a decent HC.

McCormack, Kush, Venturi and Dowhower qualify I suppose. Infante made the playoffs in one of two seasons.

omahacolt 06-21-2018 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 70459)
..Buddy, he couldn't get the ball on the correct hash in a snow bowl to let Adam V have a chance to win it. Put me on that hash coach..........and he failed.

Pagano, a great guy. Lousy head coach. It would be worse if he was a great coach, and a lousy human being. Oh, he would be Belicheat. :eek:

Pagano is not a great guy. He has done some good things charity wise, but the man lacks the integrity of a great guy. Just ask all the old coaches. Ask Grigson. Pagano let a lot of people take the fall for his terrible coaching. No great guy does that

JAFF 06-21-2018 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 70482)
Pagano is not a great guy. He has done some good things charity wise, but the man lacks the integrity of a great guy. Just ask all the old coaches. Ask Grigson. Pagano let a lot of people take the fall for his terrible coaching. No great guy does that

Ok, I can see your point.

I'm not sure I would know who to believe between Pagano and Grigson.

HoosierinFL 06-21-2018 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 70482)
Pagano is not a great guy. He has done some good things charity wise, but the man lacks the integrity of a great guy. Just ask all the old coaches. Ask Grigson. Pagano let a lot of people take the fall for his terrible coaching. No great guy does that

I pretty much agree. After the whole cancer thing his first year, that was such an uplifting story for the city, everyone loved him. But in the following years, he seemed two-faced, stubborn, and back-stabbing. That cancer thing bought him extra time just as much as having Luck did. If that had never happened, fans would have turned on him a long time ago.

YDFL Commish 06-21-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 70473)
McCormack, Kush, Venturi and Dowhower qualify I suppose. Infante made the playoffs in one of two seasons.

Venturi was never a HC, an interim HC yes. But he was never hired as an HC.

Oldcolt 06-21-2018 04:49 PM

Pagano let his assistant coaches get canned. When he did that he lost my vote as a wonderful man. Great leaders, friends don’t do shit like that. They have a backbone and stick up for their people, even if it hurts them personally. I’m glad he beat cancer but that in no way makes him a wonderful man. It makes him a guy that he got the kind of cancer that can be cured. Glad he’s gone.

Spike 06-21-2018 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 70453)
Spoiled in results. This team hasn't had a truly great head coach since Shula. It hasn't had a truly terrible coach really ever, but Meyer is the closest thing I can find to one.

Damn Dam! Pagano was a terrible coach, without Luck he would have been fired a long time ago. He was a worthless POS. You need to quit riding this dead fucking horse.

Spike 06-21-2018 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 70490)
Ok, I can see your point.

I'm not sure I would know who to believe between Pagano and Grigson.

Neither one, they are both scum buckets. Irsay fucked up those 2 hires.

JAFF 06-21-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 70529)
Neither one, they are both scum buckets. Irsay fucked up those 2 hires.

Yes, and that is in the past. Moving forward, with two men of repected caliber, I'm thinking about the future.

omahacolt 06-21-2018 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 70490)
Ok, I can see your point.

I'm not sure I would know who to believe between Pagano and Grigson.

The picture was painted pretty clear. The media was being fed constant stories about how grigson was terrible and controlling everything. Constant hit pieces on grigson and pagano always looking good.

Grigson never said a word. Although he has admitted publicly to being a dick as a gm yet hasn’t said anything that I have heard about pagano or anyone.

Pagano got all his coaches fired and recently admitted Luck got him more years than he deserved.

Not really hard to connect the dots

njcoltfan 06-22-2018 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 70529)
Neither one, they are both scum buckets. Irsay fucked up those 2 hires.

And by doing so, set the franchise back 4-5 years !!

albany ed 06-22-2018 07:06 AM

When this board first began having "fire Pagano" posts, some of his defenders claimed it wasn't his fault, that Grigson was forcing him to start players and run the team the way Grigson dictated. I remember saying at that time, I DON'T WANT A COACH WHO WOULD DO GRIGSON'S BIDDING JUST TO SAVE HIS JOB! I want a coach who would say "KMA" I'm the coach and I'll run this team the way I feel it should be run. Pagano didn't do that, he was more interested in keeping his job than he was in doing his job.

omahacolt 06-22-2018 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 70558)
When this board first began having "fire Pagano" posts, some of his defenders claimed it wasn't his fault, that Grigson was forcing him to start players and run the team the way Grigson dictated. I remember saying at that time, I DON'T WANT A COACH WHO WOULD DO GRIGSON'S BIDDING JUST TO SAVE HIS JOB! I want a coach who would say "KMA" I'm the coach and I'll run this team the way I feel it should be run. Pagano didn't do that, he was more interested in keeping his job than he was in doing his job.

There is no actual evidence to say that grigson was forcing his hand on who to play. All that was leaked to the media and more than likely from pagano to gain public support. And it worked

Pez 06-22-2018 07:50 AM

The look on Pags' face after the fake punt is completely indicative of his entire tenure.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...horribly-wrong

indycolts2 06-22-2018 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 70490)
Ok, I can see your point.

I'm not sure I would know who to believe between Pagano and Grigson.

Grigson can go fuck himself. As bad as Pagano was at his job Grigson was equally as bad at his.

HoosierinFL 06-22-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 70560)
There is no actual evidence to say that grigson was forcing his hand on who to play. All that was leaked to the media and more than likely from pagano to gain public support. And it worked

And really Pagano looks bad regardless of which is true.
If true that Grigson dictated playing time and depth chart, Pagano was spineless and incompetent.
If not true, then the teams poor performance was Pagano's fault.

Brylok 06-22-2018 12:47 PM

June 22, 2018 and people are still arguing about Grigson and Pagano. Guess it's the off-season blues...

JAFF 06-22-2018 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 70582)
June 22, 2018 and people are still arguing about Grigson and Pagano. Guess it's the off-season blues...

You would have thought his place was the House of Representitives

omahacolt 06-22-2018 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 70582)
June 22, 2018 and people are still arguing about Grigson and Pagano. Guess it's the off-season blues...

The pagano debacle is still pretty fresh

smitty46953 06-22-2018 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 70582)
June 22, 2018 and people are still arguing about Grigson and Pagano. Guess it's the off-season blues...

Who ? :cool:

Brylok 06-22-2018 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 70609)
The pagano debacle is still pretty fresh

Maybe I'm deranged, but I'm over it. I'm enjoying some World Cup goodness!

Butter 06-22-2018 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 70620)
Maybe I'm deranged, but I'm over it. I'm enjoying some World Cup goodness!

Yep, deranged soccer is for children and girls. /s

Brylok 06-22-2018 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 70621)
Yep, deranged soccer is for children and girls. /s

Haha. That's 1...


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