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VeveJones007 04-20-2018 09:16 AM

Draft Trades
 
Thought it might be worth a separate thread to track reports on draft trades.

1.05 - Elway says he is open to moving down
1.20 - Lions say they are willing to move down

VeveJones007 04-20-2018 09:20 AM

Denver potentially moving out of 5 obviously impacts the Colts at 6. Does that take potential trades for the Colts off the table? Does someone jump them to get Chubb if he falls past NYG and CLE?

I also think 1.20 is an interesting consideration. It would take something like 37+67+104 per the value chart, but it could be worth it if you're really high on a specific player (e.g. LVE, McG). I don't think Ballard would do it, but it's something to keep an eye on.

VeveJones007 04-20-2018 09:27 AM

Ballard says he's interested in moving back under the right conditions:

Quote:

“We will be open to moving back if we think it is the right thing for us to do and there's enough players on the board, depending on how far we have to move back, that we feel comfortable taking.”

Puck 04-20-2018 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 63668)
Thought it might be worth a separate thread to track reports on draft trades.

1.05 - Elway says he is open to moving down
1.20 - Lions say they are willing to move down


Makes me believe he knows Chubb won't be there and that his QB choice wont be either and he doesnt need one after he signed Keenum... and that Nelson is not worth a #5 pick on.

FWIIW The Colts have not visited with Chubb. Rumor is Ballard knows he wont be there at 6.

VeveJones007 04-20-2018 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63674)
Makes me believe he knows Chubb won't be there and that his QB choice wont be either and he doesnt need one after he signed Keenum... and that Nelson is not worth a #5 pick on.

FWIIW The Colts have not visited with Chubb. Rumor is Ballard knows he wont be there at 6.

That's because they already met with him at the combine.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...018-nfl-draft/

Butter 04-20-2018 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63674)
Makes me believe he knows Chubb won't be there and that his QB choice wont be either and he doesnt need one after he signed Keenum... and that Nelson is not worth a #5 pick on.

In what world would Signing Keenum make a GM not want to draft a QB?

Puck 04-20-2018 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 63741)
In what world would Signing Keenum make a GM not want to draft a QB?

Well he’s willing to trade so he must. It be too concerned

rm1369 04-20-2018 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 63741)
In what world would Signing Keenum make a GM not want to draft a QB?

If Elway thinks his roster (carried by the D) can make a Super Bowl run it’s not crazy. Several teams have proven you don’t need an elite QB if your roster is strong enough. Gamble that Keenum is solid and beef up the rest of the roster with a number #5 pick. Certainly a short term plan, but it’s not crazy to think it’s better than settling for whoever is left over out of the big 4 QBs.

Racehorse 04-20-2018 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 63741)
In what world would Signing Keenum make a GM not want to draft a QB?

If C&O were a GM...

Chromeburn 04-21-2018 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 63669)
Denver potentially moving out of 5 obviously impacts the Colts at 6. Does that take potential trades for the Colts off the table? Does someone jump them to get Chubb if he falls past NYG and CLE?

I also think 1.20 is an interesting consideration. It would take something like 37+67+104 per the value chart, but it could be worth it if you're really high on a specific player (e.g. LVE, McG). I don't think Ballard would do it, but it's something to keep an eye on.

No one is jumping for anything but a QB.

VeveJones007 04-21-2018 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 63763)
No one is jumping for anything but a QB.

Ballard said he would consider it yesterday...

Unless you meant for Chubb. TB or CHI could conceivably give a 2nd to move up to 5. It’s the type of thing the Bears have done each of the last two years.

VeveJones007 04-23-2018 09:45 AM

This was from today's MMQB:

Quote:

There will be some trades in this draft that might seem one-sided. Several team officials told me in the past few days that they value Day 2 picks (rounds two and three) so highly that they’d be willing to take slightly less in compensation to move down. Where could this come into play? Cleveland (four), Indianapolis (six), Baltimore (16), Seattle (18), New England (23, 31), New Orleans (27), Philadelphia (32). “This is not your typical draft,” said one veteran club official Sunday. “The second, third and even fourth rounds are gold. You can take less than the trade-value chart says and still make a very good trade if you get multiple picks in those rounds.”
If Ballard agrees, then it would definitely factor into any decision to move back from #6.

sherck 04-23-2018 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 63889)
This was from today's MMQB:



If Ballard agrees, then it would definitely factor into any decision to move back from #6.

I have now seen from a couple of sites recently that a trade with BUF would not be both of their 1st round choices but instead be something like:

IND trades #6 overall

BUF trades #12, #53 (2nd round), #56 (2nd round), #96 (3rd round)

BUF would then have #6, #22 and #65 (3rd round) to work with while IND would now be picking:

1st round - #12
2nd round - #36, #37, #49, #53, #56
3rd round - #67, #96
+ extra 2nd round pick in 2019.

8 picks in the top 100 of 2018 would be a pretty great way to super charge the "rebuild."

Would you trade for that combo?

Walk Worthy,

VeveJones007 04-23-2018 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 63898)
I have now seen from a couple of sites recently that a trade with BUF would not be both of their 1st round choices but instead be something like:

IND trades #6 overall

BUF trades #12, #53 (2nd round), #56 (2nd round), #96 (3rd round)

BUF would then have #6, #22 and #65 (3rd round) to work with while IND would now be picking:

1st round - #12
2nd round - #36, #37, #49, #53, #56
3rd round - #67, #96
+ extra 2nd round pick in 2019.

8 picks in the top 100 of 2018 would be a pretty great way to super charge the "rebuild."

Would you trade for that combo?

Walk Worthy,

I would not, but I can see why others would. Under no scenario would I accept less than 12+22+ for the 6th pick, and I don't think I would even do that. I'm staying at 6 and taking one of the top 4 players in the draft.

rm1369 04-23-2018 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 63898)
I have now seen from a couple of sites recently that a trade with BUF would not be both of their 1st round choices but instead be something like:

IND trades #6 overall

BUF trades #12, #53 (2nd round), #56 (2nd round), #96 (3rd round)

BUF would then have #6, #22 and #65 (3rd round) to work with while IND would now be picking:

1st round - #12
2nd round - #36, #37, #49, #53, #56
3rd round - #67, #96
+ extra 2nd round pick in 2019.

8 picks in the top 100 of 2018 would be a pretty great way to super charge the "rebuild."

Would you trade for that combo?

Walk Worthy,

I absolutely would. And with the supposed relatively flat level of talent after the mid first round I’d probably prefer it to 12 + 22.

HoosierinFL 04-23-2018 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 63900)
I would not, but I can see why others would. Under no scenario would I accept less than 12+22+ for the 6th pick, and I don't think I would even do that. I'm staying at 6 and taking one of the top 4 players in the draft.

I agree, at 12 and 22, you can get one of the premium players, and then someone like LVE later in the first, and that's probably more impact than would come from the extra 2nd round picks.

rm1369 04-23-2018 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 63921)
I agree, at 12 and 22, you can get one of the premium players, and then someone like LVE later in the first, and that's probably more impact than would come from the extra 2nd round picks.

On a typical roster I’d probably agree. But not on this current Colts team. Between the overall lack of talent from the Grigson years and the defensive scheme change there are just so many holes on this roster. Those 2 second round picks should be starters.

VeveJones007 04-23-2018 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 63927)
On a typical roster I’d probably agree. But not on this current Colts team. Between the overall lack of talent from the Grigson years and the defensive scheme change there are just so many holes on this roster. Those 2 second round picks should be starters.

It's a balance. A lot of 2nd round picks turn out to be mediocre players. The Colts need stars, too. I would take my chances with #22, which you can always turn around and trade down if you don't love your options there.

VeveJones007 04-23-2018 04:15 PM

Robinson from the Titans says that he's interested in acquiring more picks, making #25 a trade up possibility.

Chromeburn 04-23-2018 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 63898)
I have now seen from a couple of sites recently that a trade with BUF would not be both of their 1st round choices but instead be something like:

IND trades #6 overall

BUF trades #12, #53 (2nd round), #56 (2nd round), #96 (3rd round)

BUF would then have #6, #22 and #65 (3rd round) to work with while IND would now be picking:

1st round - #12
2nd round - #36, #37, #49, #53, #56
3rd round - #67, #96
+ extra 2nd round pick in 2019.

8 picks in the top 100 of 2018 would be a pretty great way to super charge the "rebuild."

Would you trade for that combo?

Walk Worthy,

I would definetly take that. They are right, it is a Deep draft. I want more picks in the 3rd and4th. There are good players in there.

VeveJones007 04-23-2018 05:12 PM

A lot of rumors in this NFL.com post.

Bills unlikely to move up to #2:

Quote:

Appearing on Monday's edition of Good Morning Football, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport cautioned not to read too much into Bills GM Brandon Beane's history with new Giants boss Dave Gettleman.

"From what I understand, it's not going to be one of those things where they just sell out and (trade) all the way to No. 2 with the Giants," Rapoport said. "I would be at this moment surprised if that happens."

The Bills are more likely to pull the trigger if a signal-caller they like slips to No. 5 or No. 6, Rapoport added.

To a lesser extent, the speculation surrounding Buffalo's intentions applies to Miami at No. 11 and Arizona at No. 15.
Allen is not going to be the Browns pick:

Quote:

@theMMQB

Surprise! A source told @SI_PeterKing that Cleveland will NOT take Josh Allen with the first pick. Here's why the Browns may take Sam Darnold first:
Broncos could move up or down:

Quote:

5. Starting Monday, per NFL Network's James Palmer, the Broncos are going through hypothetical scenarios that involve trading out of the draft's No. 5 spot. While most speculation has centered on the possibility of John Elway trading down to collect picks, he's also open to a trade up.

VeveJones007 04-23-2018 05:12 PM

Last year was pretty crazy with all the trades for QBs. This year's 1st round is shaping up to be even nuttier.

Chromeburn 04-23-2018 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 63959)
Last year was pretty crazy with all the trades for QBs. This year's 1st round is shaping up to be even nuttier.


And you got Jackson and Rudolph. Pats apparently like Jackson.

VeveJones007 04-23-2018 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 63960)
And you got got Jackson and Rudolph. Pats apparently like Jackson.

Yep. I expect both of them to go Round 1 as well.

VeveJones007 04-23-2018 05:18 PM

Per the Browns speculation above. Possible the Allen source was given fake info.

Quote:

@AllbrightNFL
New #Browns front office is very concerned with finding out where the leaks have been coming from the last few years, and closing ranks/controlling the message, going forward.

Puck 04-24-2018 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 63898)
I have now seen from a couple of sites recently that a trade with BUF would not be both of their 1st round choices but instead be something like:

IND trades #6 overall

BUF trades #12, #53 (2nd round), #56 (2nd round), #96 (3rd round)

BUF would then have #6, #22 and #65 (3rd round) to work with while IND would now be picking:

1st round - #12
2nd round - #36, #37, #49, #53, #56
3rd round - #67, #96
+ extra 2nd round pick in 2019.

8 picks in the top 100 of 2018 would be a pretty great way to super charge the "rebuild."

Would you trade for that combo?

Walk Worthy,

this would be an incredible trade

Dam8610 04-24-2018 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 63898)
I have now seen from a couple of sites recently that a trade with BUF would not be both of their 1st round choices but instead be something like:

IND trades #6 overall

BUF trades #12, #53 (2nd round), #56 (2nd round), #96 (3rd round)

BUF would then have #6, #22 and #65 (3rd round) to work with while IND would now be picking:

1st round - #12
2nd round - #36, #37, #49, #53, #56
3rd round - #67, #96
+ extra 2nd round pick in 2019.

8 picks in the top 100 of 2018 would be a pretty great way to super charge the "rebuild."

Would you trade for that combo?

Walk Worthy,

Absolutely, then I'd use all that second round leverage to move back into the mid-late 20s, preferably before Pittsburgh.

njcoltfan 04-24-2018 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 63898)
I have now seen from a couple of sites recently that a trade with BUF would not be both of their 1st round choices but instead be something like:

IND trades #6 overall

BUF trades #12, #53 (2nd round), #56 (2nd round), #96 (3rd round)

BUF would then have #6, #22 and #65 (3rd round) to work with while IND would now be picking:

1st round - #12
2nd round - #36, #37, #49, #53, #56
3rd round - #67, #96
+ extra 2nd round pick in 2019.

8 picks in the top 100 of 2018 would be a pretty great way to super charge the "rebuild."

Would you trade for that combo?

Walk Worthy,

No, #22 has to be in play.

VeveJones007 04-24-2018 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 64090)
No, #22 has to be in play.

Agree. I wouldn't move out of #6 unless I get get something like Smith/Edmunds+Landry/LVE/Evans.

VeveJones007 04-24-2018 03:43 PM

Quote:

@RapSheet: "The Arizona Cardinals may be the team to watch at this point. They certainly seem like they’re making the most phone calls about possibly moving up for a quarterback ... it’s safe to assume that 5 or 6 could be potential slots to trade for a quarterback."
Pretty sure Ballard doesn't want to drop that far, but it would give him better bargaining power to push Buffalo for both of their 1sts+.

VeveJones007 04-24-2018 04:05 PM

La Canfora says the Colts are interested in moving back up into the late 1st round. Getting that extra year of control is pretty big for certain players.

Quote:

Teams I hear most buzz about moving up - Bills, Cards, Colts (back into late 1st rnd). Many want to move down, SEA, DEN and PHI likely will

FatDT 04-24-2018 04:09 PM

I believe the opposite of whatever La Canfora says.

VeveJones007 04-24-2018 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 64113)
I believe the opposite of whatever La Canfora says.

Ballard said he would consider it in his presser yesterday.

VeveJones007 04-25-2018 04:17 PM

Quote:

The #Browns are having conversations about trading the No. 4 pick tomorrow... and it could get them a first-rounder for 2019.
- per Rapoport

I'm guessing Miami, Buffalo, and Arizona. I still think we're looking at 4 QBs in the top 5. I just hope Barkley is the non-QB who goes off the board before the Colts pick.

rm1369 04-25-2018 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64251)
- per Rapoport

I'm guessing Miami, Buffalo, and Arizona. I still think we're looking at 4 QBs in the top 5. I just hope Barkley is the non-QB who goes off the board before the Colts pick.

Buffalo has the draft capital to get it done this year, so if it includes a future first I’d suspect Miami or Arizona.

VeveJones007 04-25-2018 06:47 PM

Schefter says the Broncos are shopping #5.

Hope for Barkley at 2 and trades for QBs. Chubb would fall in Ballard’s lap.

rcubed 04-25-2018 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64269)
Schefter says the Broncos are shopping #5.

Hope for Barkley at 2 and trades for QBs. Chubb would fall in Ballard’s lap.

and this rumor:

According to Vic Tafur of The Athletic, the Oakland Raiders "would strongly consider" moving up from No. 10 if Chubb is still available at five or six.

rm1369 04-25-2018 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 64271)
and this rumor:

According to Vic Tafur of The Athletic, the Oakland Raiders "would strongly consider" moving up from No. 10 if Chubb is still available at five or six.

You’d likely get either Smith or Edmunds at 10.

VeveJones007 04-25-2018 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 64271)
and this rumor:

According to Vic Tafur of The Athletic, the Oakland Raiders "would strongly consider" moving up from No. 10 if Chubb is still available at five or six.

Apparently the Packers are interested in moving up from 14, too.

VeveJones007 04-25-2018 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 64277)
You’d likely get either Smith or Edmunds at 10.

Yeah, I think that’s right. TB goes DB, Bears go Nelson.

I wonder what Oakland would offer.


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