Kenny Moore to be traded
 

Multiple reports are out this morning saying that the Colts and Moore have mutually agreed to seek a trade. So Kenny wants out. Why would we want to part with him? What can you get for a 30 year old corner like him? Is the addition by subtraction or just subtraction? WTF is going on with the franchise?

Adam Schefter
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Sources: Colts and Kenny Moore II mutually have agreed to seek a trade and a new home for the veteran cornerback. Moore is entering the last year of his contract, and both sides feel it is time to explore a trade.

Appears to be mutual, Moore says no bad feelings. That's good. Walley is scheduled to replace him apparently. Saves some money, I am a tad concerned that Walley has never played a down in the NFL.

Stephen Holder
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Text from Kenny Moore II: “It’s all good. It’s all love.”

No beef between the parties. Partly a scheme fit issue, per source. 2025 rookie Justin Walley will be asked to step up as the slot corner.

In theory I have no issues with moving on from 30 year old CB. In this case I do not see how this makes us a better team. We won't get shit back for him (a one year rental at 10 million who doesn't really play outside coming off a a down year) and it opens up another hole in the defense to be filled. Walley has never played a snap and who now is the backup? Maybe we are going all in with Lou type players and this defense will gel into something magnificent. Let's hope we know what we are doing.

Kenny hasn’t been happy with his compensation for awhile now. He either held out or threatened to a couple years ago.

That’s what this is about. He feels he hasn’t been respected monetarily and he wants out.

He’s a good player but I’ve always personally felt that he’s a bit overrated.

I’d look for a late round pick swap as compensation. We aren’t getting much out of him.

If Kenny doesn’t want to be here there’s not much they can do.

Angelo Ponds
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Thinkin what I’m thinkin ???????


Adam Schefter
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Sources: Colts and Kenny Moore II mutually have agreed to seek a trade and a new home for the veteran cornerback. Moore is entering the last year of his contract, and both sides feel it is time to explore a trade.


Geeting Ponds would be outstanding!!!

TBH, Kenny's play has been just average to better than average the last few years.

Is it scheme fit? Could be, but where is he going to find a team running the Eberflus cover-2 system? I personally believe that his skills are declining.

Between Walley, Taylor-Britt and maybe a draft pick they've got this covered.

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I hope that he gets traded to an NFC team, because that's the only way that he'll make it to the Super Bowl this season.

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Walley must be fucking incredible.

I lean with the philosophy that when you have a player that has a strength, the coach needs to identify how to engage that in their scheme. Empower the player.

We all should have learned this when they asked Freeney to stand up and play outside linebacker. Mathis was more naturally suited for that, and the question about him turned into "What if he was playing this position his entire career?". Pagano failed Freeney, and Freeney was still a highly productive player that almost won the Falcons a fucking superbowl.

I perceived Moore to be a leader based on how he carried himself. He doesn't believe in the coaching or the organization, because I find it hard to believe he wasn't going to make the team.

I like the way you think

I believe Walley will play better this season than Kenny, and I like Kenny. Barring injury of course.

It sounds like a little bit of everything. Doesn't sound like a disgruntled player, doesn't sound like a disgruntled coach/scheme, doesn't sound like a desperation for cap relief or draft capital...

So considering they seem to really like Walley, and Ballard specifically highlighted the defense's age and speed being an issue...

Both sides probably know that Moore won't be part of the equation after this final year of his contract, anyway. So if the Colts are comfortable with the young guy and can get something for Moore, and Moore can possibly get himself a couple more years somewhere else...

That's what it sounds like to me. Also isn't a guarantee that Moore/Colts get an offer they like.

Yeah, seems to be amicable. Guessing Kenny realizes he's not getting an extension and looking to move to a team that would be willing to give him one.

I do think it's concerning that we're going to be relying on a bunch of young guys coming off of season ending injuries who haven't played a down in the NFL.

I agree, on paper i think that we are absolutely fine at corner, with Gardner, Ward, Walley, Blackmon, Taylor-Britt, Edwards, Mitchell and Jones, if they all stay healthy then things are probably good for the season. But if we lose Ward, if Walley isn't fully recovered, or doesn't quite live up to the expectations from last preseason, then we are in deep trouble.

It doesn't look so good if the corners are Gardner, Blackmon, Taylor-Britt, Edwards and Mitchell, Jones!

Another thing is, how many of these guys can actually play the slot? Most of them are more outside guys. Maybe we will use more safeties in the slot this year, so Wohler or Thomas.

On top of that, Jaylon Jones, didn't seem to fit into Lou's plans, and Taylor-Brit was awful last year.

We have no quality depth. That usually comes from developing draft choices but we have missed on all of our defensive backs since Ballard got here for one reason or another. If Walley is actually above average it will be the first cornerback we have drafted in years that is. Ward is one concussion away from retiring according to him. Pretty good chance he does.Our back ups are all castoffs or people only die hard Colt fans have even heard of. Lets hope we don't get any major injuries.

if your scheme doesn't fit one of the best pass rushers to ever do it, your scheme is stupid

Taylor Britt played very good under Lou Anarumo, last season he had off the field issues and once again the Bengals defense was terrible with a glaring weakness at pass rush. Deion Sanders can’t cover guys for 7 seconds.

Taylor Britt is a great insurance policy for Ward and also Walley

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I like the fact that you are apparently highly skilled at deductive thinking, and the process of elimination. ) :D

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Maybe you guys should get a room? ;)

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I'm in the closet, and I'm not coming out.

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Not interested. This forum is good enough.

Send him to the Cowboys and be done with it

That's just not true. The only DBs Ballard has drafted that would rightly be called a "miss" are Quincy Wilson, Rock Ya-Sin, and Julius Brents, Ballard clearly shouldn't draft CBs in Round 2. He's had some home runs at DB, too, such as Isaiah Rodgers (who he shouldn't have cut), Jaylon Jones, and Rodney Thomas II (2 seasons of decent starting safety play out of a 7th round pick is far more than you could ever expect). There's also a lot of quality starters, mostly at S. Malik Hooker, Julian Blackmon, Khari Willis, and Nick Cross. What the team needs to do better at DB, shockingly, is retain their own quality players. I'm sure everyone would feel a lot better about the DB depth of the team if Isaiah Rodgers and Nick Cross were still on it.

Depends on your perspective I guess. Willis has been out of football since 2022, Hooker was a huge miss at 15 (he is a starting safety however) Blackmon starts and Cross wasn't good enough for us to resign (we have the money). 'Hitting' on 7th rounders means you have a dude who makes the team, not someone that is foundational on your team. They may have had Jones/Thomas start but from how they continue to try to replace them it doesn't appear they start because they are really good, they are all we have. The proof that we draft DBs like shit is that 3 of our 4 starters were not drafted by us. We are not filling out the defensive backfield with free agents, they are the only way we seem to get DBs we hold onto (that and giving up multiple first round picks). Not sure who you blame for an atmosphere that allows Rogers to do what he did, but it is a blight on the team that we had a dude betting on games. For a man who preaches building through the draft I just do not see it in this defensive backfield. Maybe it would have been more accurate to say Ballard hasn't drafted one difference maker in the defensive backfield since he got here.

I would consider this assessment closer to reality than what dammy is suggesting.

Replacing a decent starter with an All-Pro is something I would do 10 times out of 10, especially if all it costs is money like Ward. The Sauce trade was likely a bit of an overpay, but the player is elite. Sitting behind Sauce and Ward as a boundary CB isn't an indictment of Jaylon Jones's abilities, it's evidence of the team investing heavily in the position.

My point was we lack depth because we have drafted poorly. Period. Not sure how this relates to that except that this is obviously a reaction to poor drafting.

Pretty sure a lot of this has to do with Lou wanting vets at certain positions

In 2023, the Colts had 3 DEs and 4 players with 8+ sacks. After that season, if the team had the opportunity to acquire Micah Parsons for some sort of reasonable cost, would you have wanted them to do it? I would. That doesn't mean the players that the team had didn't play at a starting caliber level, it means that the player who was available was so elite that it would be foolish to pass him up.

BINGO

Draw the line somewhere. That's Roger's fucking fault, not ours.

I really liked his game but fuck that guy.

This is a different argument. We needed Parsons for the same reason we needed Sauce, Ballard has struck out on drafting pass rushers. Once we recognize we aren't going to get players through the draft then I guess building the team thru trades and free agency is the only option left. With the cuphoard as bare as is for us trading for Parsons or signing Hendrickson make sense, but only because of our inability to draft difference makers on defense. So while I agree with you considering the circumstances we are in I want whomever is responsible for putting us in those circumstances gone.

Your argument would hold merit if Jones had been right behind Ward and later Sauce on the depth chart, but he was burried on it behind guys like Edwards, Blackmon, and Lammons. And the fact that you think Rodgers, Thomas, and Jones were home runs is completely laughable.

Probably the most telling stat on Ballard's ability to draft DBs is that in 9 years we've signed a whopping 1 DB who was drafted by him past his rookie contract, and that was a low level contract to Julian Blackmon for 1 year who we let walk the following year. And it's not that we've lost anyone of his drafted DBs in a bidding war as we've lost a total of 0 to high end contracts that we were outbid on or couldn't afford.