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AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-25-2024 09:53 PM

Colts draft DE Laiatu Latu - Round 1, Pick 15
 
Colts select the first defensive player of the draft.


https://twitter.com/FieldYates/statu...75822206796119

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DE Laiatu Latu had easily the best tape of any defensive player in the entire draft class.

He’s as advanced of a pass rusher as you’ll find coming out of college.

As long as his health holds up, that’s an absolute steal for the Colts.
https://twitter.com/HolderStephen/st...81744627016039

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Laiatu Latu to the Colts at No. 15.

Thoughts:

- Incredibly productive, which matters a lot to the Colts. 23.5 sacks and 34 TFL's in the past 2 seasons.

- Given all the solid options on the board, you have to assume the Colts are ultra confident in the medicals here.
https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1783676532264714300

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#15 Colts

Laiatu Latu is the best on-film edge rusher in the Draft.

Seattle scheme and let him line up wide - could do some real damage.

They are building a real deep d-line in Indy

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-25-2024 10:05 PM

https://nfldraft.theringer.com/


Here was the write-up about Latu in The Ringer. They rated him as the 7th best player in the draft.

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SCOUTING REPORT BY DANNY KELLY

Latu plays as if he’s spent the last month training blindfolded in Bloodsport. The UCLA star has a rugged frame and rushes the passer with excellent first-step burst and elite hand-fighting skills. He uncoils out of his stance and slaps, chops, and swats away opponents’ hands with a full array of clubs in his bag as a rusher. He uses swim moves, cross chops, side scissors, hump moves, push-pull moves, a bounding Euro-step move, a bull rush, and an effective spin move, among others—and that well-developed repertoire has helped him displace opponents’ momentum and lead the country in pass-rush win rate (40.7 percent) in true pass set situations last year, per PFF. Latu gets after the passer with ferocious intensity and a nonstop motor, showcasing turbo acceleration and good bend when turning the corner. He’s a flexible athlete who can dip his shoulder, plant his foot, and flatten to the quarterback.

Latu primarily lines up outside but does see some snaps inside rushing against guards, who consistently struggle to deal with his quickness, burst, and handwork. He also has some experience spot dropping in space. Against the run, Latu does a good job establishing leverage and stacking his opponent, using his strong, powerful hands to shed blockers. He’s a supreme hustler and never gives up on a play.

Latu lacks elite length for the edge rusher position and may lack the bulk to consistently play inside. There are times when he gets too high at the snap and is pushed off the ball against the run. His medicals will be the biggest question in his evaluation, though, and teams will have to dig into a neck injury that caused him to temporarily retire from football in 2021.

WHY HE COULD RISE

Latu is a remarkably slippery pass rusher who consistently beats blocks with savvy hand-fighting techniques; he’s one of the most consistently disruptive defenders in the country.

WHY HE COULD FALL

Some teams may give him a medical red flag because of his history with a neck injury.


AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-25-2024 10:15 PM

Baldy likes the pick - "He's the best defensive player in this draft....and it is not even close."


https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1783676637793362058

nate505 04-25-2024 10:16 PM

It feels like he would have gone higher in the draft if it weren't for his medical history, so I like that.

That said I'm still shocked he was the first defensive player in the draft picked. Hopefully the scouts did their work, because I was hoping for Turner, and I hope the Jags don't make the Colts rue that choice.

Still I'm pretty damn happy. His skills look off the chart great, and seeing his emotion and his happiness for being a Colt was just fantastic to watch.

EDIT: Ahh, just noticed it was the Vikings who got Turner. Feel better about that.

Dam8610 04-25-2024 10:24 PM

We got EDGE1, boys! Let's fucking go! Latu is a game wrecker with an almost endless pass rush bag. Can't believe Ballard looked past the arms.

HoosierinFL 04-25-2024 10:24 PM

I was the one who voted for him in the “who do you want” poll!

nate505 04-25-2024 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 296477)
I was the one who voted for him in the “who do you want” poll!

Honestly, his medicals and his not being what I think Ballard considers ideal means I didn't even consider him.

I'm liking the pick more and more as the minutes go by though.

Dam8610 04-25-2024 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 296477)
I was the one who voted for him in the “who do you want” poll!

I wanted him, just didn't believe Ballard would look past the arms. Pearsall and Hart tomorrow would make me a VERY happy camper.

Butter 04-25-2024 10:39 PM

SOmeone posted PFFs draft profile on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Colts/comme...draft_profile/

apballin 04-25-2024 11:21 PM

Seen somewhere this is similar to Montez Sweatt situation and Colts had regrets on passing on him

Butter 04-25-2024 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 296506)
Seen somewhere this is similar to Montez Sweatt situation and Colts had regrets on passing on him

Makes sense, I had the same thought.

njcoltfan 04-25-2024 11:53 PM

Thanks CB, you got one of the guys I was hoping for, a legitimate pass rusher !

Butter 04-26-2024 12:11 AM

I know we all hate him but Belichick seems to like him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Colts/comme...t=share_button

Dam8610 04-26-2024 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 296506)
Seen somewhere this is similar to Montez Sweatt situation and Colts had regrets on passing on him

That was one of the times I was very angry at Ballard. He was gifted Sweat at 26 that year, and chose to trade down for Ya-Sin instead. MPJ makes up for it, though.

Dam8610 04-26-2024 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 296524)
I know we all hate him but Belichick seems to like him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Colts/comme...t=share_button

I don't hate him. This pick is fantastic, quite possibly Ballard’s best first round pick other than AR to date.

Mr. Session 04-26-2024 06:14 AM

I have good vibes about this. That kid’s energy is palpable too. You could feel it through the television.

I really wanted an offensive weapon but wow, how often have we been in the position where we get to pick ANY defensive player we want.

This is awesome.

albany ed 04-26-2024 06:23 AM

If, and that's a big


IF

He stays healthy

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-26-2024 06:23 AM

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...08941169332457

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Ballard calls Latu the best defensive player in the draft, says he's a natural rusher
https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...09896019501253

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Ballard acknowledges that the speed rusher off the edge, he saw that as the finishing piece for this defensive front.

Also acknowledges that Latu's different from previous edge rushers he's taken because Latu's already a natural pass rusher, rather than a guy with traits to develop.
https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...10139381407952

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Ballard says he thinks Latu will produce pretty quickly as a rusher.

"He's pretty polished."

Racehorse 04-26-2024 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 296541)
If, and that's a big


IF

He stays healthy

I agree. The advise to medically retire, coupled with missing two years makes me wary of any type of injury to the guy. Let's hope he stays healthy for the next 6-10 years.

Chromeburn 04-26-2024 07:42 AM

Everyone should give this a watch.

https://youtu.be/WgkKTYmjWGk?si=SZTHpt7F88U-Evt6

HoosierinFL 04-26-2024 08:29 AM

So we've said before, it would be nice if we lucked into our next Freeney/Mathis type DE.
Well he could be it, its why I picked him in the poll.

Its a risk (health), and maybe there was a bigger need at CB (with the idea that better coverage that forces QBs to hold on to the ball for 1-2 more seconds would let the pass-rush-by-committee thing we had last year work even better).

But still, getting someone who is a legit threat to pressure the QB on every snap can be a game changer.

Dam8610 04-26-2024 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 296550)
So we've said before, it would be nice if we lucked into our next Freeney/Mathis type DE.
Well he could be it, its why I picked him in the poll.

Its a risk (health), and maybe there was a bigger need at CB (with the idea that better coverage that forces QBs to hold on to the ball for 1-2 more seconds would let the pass-rush-by-committee thing we had last year work even better).

But still, getting someone who is a legit threat to pressure the QB on every snap can be a game changer.

He's not Freeney because he's not a freak athlete, and if you want Mathis in this draft, Mo Kamara should be available in Round 4. That said, Latu has the deepest set of pass rush moves I've ever seen on a prospect, which excites me for his NFL transition, because it shouldn't be as long as the transition for someone like Paye who had no pass rush moves.

Hoopsdoc 04-26-2024 09:07 AM

I’m cautiously optimistic but it’s hard when you see “spinal fusion surgery”.

Dam8610 04-26-2024 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 296555)
I’m cautiously optimistic but it’s hard when you see “spinal fusion surgery”.

Doctors didn't have any concerns, Ballard asked. They seem to think risk of recurrence is low and he is capable of having a long career.

ChaosTheory 04-26-2024 09:52 AM

Ballard mentioned to McAfee that the neck concerns were alleviated because that had two years of tape on him.

It's always going to be in the back of your mind, but it's not like this just happened. He played two full, productive seasons post-injury.

rcubed 04-26-2024 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 296555)
I’m cautiously optimistic but it’s hard when you see “spinal fusion surgery”.


Didnt he play and excel for 2 seasons post surgery? Honestly any of these players are a freak hit away from injury

apballin 04-26-2024 10:14 AM

Anyone else hear his college coach said “he was the best TE on our team”

Dudes a freak

YDFL Commish 04-26-2024 10:37 AM

Latu positives:

Latu's surgery was performed by the same Doc who performed Peyton's surgery.

You can't compare him to Leighton Vander Esch because Vander Esch never had the surgery before entering the draft. So he played several season with a bad neck.

NFL.com Lance Zierlein has a Latu player comp is TJ Watt and I think that is an accurate comparison.

Latu is guy with production and skills not traits and hope. Almost every draft analyst, coach and NFL executive believe that Latu is the most skilled pass rusher they have seen in years.

omahacolt 04-26-2024 10:48 AM

this pick is growing on me.


didn't think he would even be on the colts board at all.

rm1369 04-26-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 296572)
Latu positives:

Latu's surgery was performed by the same Doc who performed Peyton's surgery.

You can't compare him to Leighton Vander Esch because Vander Esch never had the surgery before entering the draft. So he played several season with a bad neck.

NFL.com Lance Zierlein has a Latu player comp is TJ Watt and I think that is an accurate comparison.

Latu is guy with production and skills not traits and hope. Almost every draft analyst, coach and NFL executive believe that Latu is the most skilled pass rusher they have seen in years.

It’s the production instead of just traits that make me happy with the pick. After striking out drafting raw athletes at the position CB took a different tact and got the technician this time. And not a bad athlete by any measure. Without the injury concern he’s likely not there. Worth the risk IMO.

Butter 04-26-2024 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 296530)
I don't hate him. This pick is fantastic, quite possibly Ballard’s best first round pick other than AR to date.

I meant we hate Bill.

Colts And Orioles 04-26-2024 11:52 AM

o


Latu's phone call conversation with Chris Ballard and Harvey Steichen, upon being notified about the Colts drafting him in the 1st round ......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXJZZshoiLs

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Dam8610 04-26-2024 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 296580)
I meant we hate Bill.

Oh, yes, definitely hate for the cheater, but great breakdown of Latu.

Chromeburn 04-26-2024 12:16 PM

Knows how to use tape

https://x.com/coltsfilmroom/status/1...L8ardaxv32vrGQ

sherck 04-26-2024 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 296583)
o


Latu's phone call conversation with Chris Ballard and Harvey Steichen, upon being notified about the Colts drafting him in the 1st round ......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXJZZshoiLs

o

Shane Steichen looks like a bad used car salesman in that jacket.

YDFL Commish 04-26-2024 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 296589)

More positives:

Studies tape like a pro

Pro comps of the already mentioned TJ Watt...but also Maxx Crosby and Trey Hendrickson

Ted Hendricks award winner, Lombardi award winner

UCLA Athletic Honor Roll

Also so a pro comp of Matt Judon

Chromeburn 04-26-2024 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 296592)
More positives:

Studies tape like a pro

Pro comps of the already mentioned TJ Watt...but also Maxx Crosby and Trey Hendrickson

Ted Hendricks award winner, Lombardi award winner

UCLA Athletic Honor Roll

Also so a pro comp of Matt Judon

Also

https://x.com/solvingfootball/status...L8ardaxv32vrGQ

YDFL Commish 04-26-2024 03:07 PM

More:

https://www.colts.com/news/experts-a...rst-round-pick

nate505 04-26-2024 04:15 PM

It really seems like his only concerns are health, and I guess some typical weakness concerns most prospects have (like not elite gap closing or whatever).

I get the health concern, but the fact he already had the surgery and has played two years seems to make it less of a concern to me.

Regarding the health concerns, what exactly is it that everyone is concerned about? I get he medically retired, but if that issue is fixed, is it really a concern?

Given that it was fixed, does this mean his neck issues are more likely to come back? That is a legit concern if it's true, I just don't know if there's any evidence to know it's true.

And say it is. We all know that every football player has like a certain percent chance in their career of having a career ending injury. Say it's 5% or something. Is his chance due to this issue more like 10%? 15%? 20%?

If he's as elite as I hear, even a 20% chance is probably worth taking a gamble on. That said, there's a percentage where it wouldn't be wise to gamble on, I just don't know what it is and what his is.

ChaosTheory 04-26-2024 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 296623)
It really seems like his only concerns are health, and I guess some typical weakness concerns most prospects have (like not elite gap closing or whatever).

I get the health concern, but the fact he already had the surgery and has played two years seems to make it less of a concern to me.

Regarding the health concerns, what exactly is it that everyone is concerned about? I get he medically retired, but if that issue is fixed, is it really a concern?

Given that it was fixed, does this mean his neck issues are more likely to come back? That is a legit concern if it's true, I just don't know if there's any evidence to know it's true.

And say it is. We all know that every football player has like a certain percent chance in their career of having a career ending injury. Say it's 5% or something. Is his chance due to this issue more like 10%? 15%? 20%?

If he's as elite as I hear, even a 20% chance is probably worth taking a gamble on. That said, there's a percentage where it wouldn't be wise to gamble on, I just don't know what it is and what his is.

According to Ballard (and as you would think any NFL team investing millions into an athlete would), they got access to the nitty gritty of his medical history and had lots of discussion.

Ballard is cautious, so you have to imagine the prognosis was a strong positive.


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