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JAFF 08-20-2023 09:01 AM

Doyel: Colts' 'plan' for QB Anthony Richardson includes letting him miss preseason g
 
Doyel: Colts' 'plan' for QB Anthony Richardson includes letting him miss preseason game

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INDIANAPOLIS – If this is how the Indianapolis Colts are going to develop rookie quarterback Anthony Richardson, then never mind. Just move him to defensive end and be done with it.

Seriously, Colts, what are you doing? Sitting Richardson on Saturday night for the Colts’ preseason game at home – their only 2023 preseason game at home – against the Chicago Bears?

This is your grand plan?

Richardson made 13 career starts at Florida, making him historically inexperienced for a quarterback drafted in the first round. This is his team, starting immediately, but he’s going to need work and time – and a lot of both. With the regular-season schedule bloated to 17 games, that leaves just three preseason games for Richardson to get acclimated to game action. No time to waste, but that was the Colts on Saturday night, wasting their time.


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Wasting yours, too. Lucas Oil Stadium was mostly full, but let’s be honest: How many of you came primarily to see Anthony Richardson?

Hope you watched pregame warmups, because Richardson was out there in his uniform, taking snaps, handing off to a running back. No, he wasn’t handing it to Jonathan Taylor, silly. The Colts haven’t found a way to get the 2021 NFL rushing leader onto the practice field. Taylor’s presence would benefit Richardson greatly – accelerate his development, you might say – but the Colts chose this year, and this player, to make a point about contracts.


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But the Colts paid some bills Saturday night, didn’t they? The stadium was mostly full. That’s a lot of $40 parking spaces and $10 beers and $8 hot dogs. How many overpriced nachos you think they’d have sold if Colts coach Shane Steichen had announced Richardson wouldn't play?

Wait a minute. You think that’s why Steichen wouldn’t say – I asked him directly last week – whether Richardson would play against Chicago?


An omission isn’t the same thing as a lie, I guess.

Are you like me? Are you getting tired of the Colts, shall we say, omitting to us?

Indianapolis Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson (5) warms up before facing the Chicago Bears in an NFL preseason game Saturday, Aug. 19, 2023, at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.
Anthony Richardson didn't play at all?!?

The 2023 Colts offense walked onto the field at Lucas Oil Stadium for the first time. The Bears won the pregame coin toss but deferred to the second half, meaning the Colts get the ball first. Imagine how cool this moment could’ve been:

Anthony Richardson striding onto the field for his first game action at home.

Think it would’ve been loud? Preseason, regular season, postseason, I don’t care. This place would’ve exploded had No. 5 strolled across the field. Instead it was No. 10 strolling onto the field, and no, it wasn’t twice as loud. Math doesn’t work like that. Neither does passion. Gardner Minshew, No. 10 in your program but DNP in your heart, walked onto the field with the Colts offense, and this happened:

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Absolutely nothing.

No noise. No buzz. No nothing. Well, almost nothing. A friend of mine was on the sideline when Minshew led the offense onto the field. This is what he heard:

Groans.

Are you like me? Are you getting tired of groaning about the Colts?

Don’t forget what happened at training camp, either. The Colts had 13 sessions at Grand Park in Westfield, and you know how NFL coaches are about practice. They think it’s everything, because nothing can match the coaching a young player gets in training camp. Coaches are really smart, see. So here’s what the Colts' really smart coaches did:

They let Anthony Richardson miss a practice. To recover from surgery on his nose.

Steichen called it a pre-existing condition, meaning Richardson could've had the surgery during the 2½ months between the draft and camp. But, no. The Colts scheduled the procedure for July 30, causing Richardson to miss practice on July 31. That was the fifth practice of his NFL career, and one out of 13 total at training camp. That’s what, about 8% of camp?

Can a rookie as inexperienced as Richardson – can a rookie quarterback as inexperienced as Richardson – afford to miss 8% of training camp? Can he afford to miss 33.3% of the preseason games?

In a league where every little detail matters?

Are you like me? Are you getting tired of having to ask the Colts such ridiculous questions?


Maybe backup OL can't protect Richardson

There's only one acceptable reason that Anthony Richardson didn’t play in the Colts’ only home game of the preseason, and it's actually more of an indictment of this franchise:

The Colts don’t want him to get injured, because their offensive line depth is that bad.

After the Colts’ starting offensive line went head-to-head with the Bears’ starters on Wednesday and Thursday, it’s understandable that on Saturday both teams would sit their linemen, even some of their skill players. Those practices were rough.


Only, not for quarterbacks. They wore red non-contact jerseys. They’re untouchable. Richardson is fine.

The Colts’ backup offensive line? Not good on paper. No telling how bad it’ll look on the field, but here’s a clue: The Bears didn’t play a single defensive starter Saturday, and still the Colts didn’t want Richardson to play. Not behind those guys. Not even to get a few snaps at center and hand the ball to running back Jonatha—er, to running back Deon Jackson or Evan Hull or Kenyan Drake.

Most of the questions for Steichen after the game were about Richardson, as you can imagine. He was not forthcoming, as you can imagine, beyond saying those two joints practices with the Bears this week were “like a game.”

“Those deals, you do get a ton of reps,” he said. “You get tons of reps. It’s a game atmosphere. The energy level is there.”

In the second of two practices with the Bears, on Thursday, Richardson was 2-for-6 on the day. Most of the work was in the red zone.

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You could call that practice, or you could call it recess.

Mayflower video weird, Jonathan Taylor video bad

Are you like me? Are you wondering why the Colts are so weird?

The team showed two pregame videos Saturday night, one on the Colts’ history in Indianapolis, the other on the 2023 Colts. The history video started with some of the most shameful imagery in NFL history, a Mayflower moving truck – the one that snuck out of Baltimore late one night in March 1984 – pulling into Indianapolis. That’s weird.

The video then goes onto show the two most important quarterbacks (apparently) since the franchise moved to Indy: Jim Harbaugh and Peyton Manning. No Andrew Luck. That’s weird.

The second video, of the 2023 Colts, showed Jonathan Taylor briefly, fleetingly, two blink-and-you-miss-it glimpses of No. 28 in the open field. The video spent more time showing clips of safety Rodney Thomas II. More No. 25 than No. 28? That’s weird.

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Then Anthony Richardson didn’t play. That’s weird. But he was followed around the sideline by someone holding a boom mic. And he was the only Colts player who had a stadium camera trained on him throughout the national anthem.

Oh, you came to see Anthony Richardson? Here he is. On the sideline. For the anthem.

And that’s when this happened:

Dozens of fans walk the U.S. flag onto the field, stretching it across almost every inch of green turf. The Eastern Star Church Choir finishes its rousing rendition of the anthem, and those same fans start walking the flag the other way, off the field. Many of them are kids, including the three flag-holding fans closest to Richardson. He sees the kids walking away, taking the flag back, and trots after them. Richardson gets the attention of one, then another, and gives them a palm to tap.

The third kid, he sees what’s happening. This kid is wearing a No. 12 Colts jersey – can't believe the Colts let the kid on the field – and as this kid looks over his shoulder, he sees the Colts’ next franchise quarterback reaching for him, trying to touch his hand.

The kid in the No. 12 jersey is extending a hand, straining, but Richardson is out of reach. Could’ve been a special moment, but now it’s gone.


Racehorse 08-20-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271582)
Doyel: Colts' 'plan' for QB Anthony Richardson includes letting him miss preseason game

Doyel is so insufferable. The constant mentions of Taylor, as if Taylor would have played yesterday. The constant use of the word "weird". The whining about not being able to see Richardson play, like some whiny fan would do. The hints were there the past two days that Richardson would not lay, but he has to go Negative Nancy all the time. Give me a break!

apballin 08-20-2023 09:53 AM

He’s all the way wrong in this, there’s no benefit to him playing with all the backups vs all the bears backups. I love the idea of going into week 1 and the jags have no idea what the plan is. Get the reps in joint practice where nobody is filming. Go out there and beat the jags week 1 and fans will be all a board this will be forgotten real quick

Lov2fish 08-20-2023 10:06 AM

About 5 people read his useless drivel.

Racehorse 08-20-2023 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 271591)
About 5 people read his useless drivel.

Sadly, I think a lot read him, and then parrot the drivel on social media. Or he just sees their drivel and panders to them.

IndyNorm 08-20-2023 01:18 PM

I quit reading when Doyel started bitching again about AR missing the one day of practice. Someone needs to clue him in on the reality that this season's success won't be based on wins but on how well AR develops, and that development is a marathon not a sprint which is likely to take multiple seasons. Missing 1 practice and ~one quarters worth of preseason snaps playing with backups isn't going to really make any difference in that marathon.

He also needs to make his mind up on JT. At the start of camp he was all over JT and his dipshit new agent for how they were acting. Now he's bitching that the Colts haven't signed him to a big extension and not playing him in a preseason game that he wouldn't have played in anyway. Complete hack of a "journalist".

ChaosTheory 08-20-2023 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 271611)
Complete hack of a "journalist".

"Provocateur", really. Only aim is to incite a reaction and get clicks. Apparently he does that.

I don't know his history, but I notice a lot of journalists don't actually care much about their field. I've seen enough of them bounce around from politics to sports to Hollywood TMZ type stuff to whatever...

Some actually love it. For some, it's just a gig.

Discflinger 08-20-2023 03:05 PM

I didn't even read it. Scrolled because freaks know.

JAFF 08-20-2023 05:26 PM

If I drove 80 miles, paid for parking, bought dinner in the stadium or a restaurant, I would have been disappointed, I suppose the younger fans even more not to see AR take some snaps. Disappointing fans is a poor business plan.

I will never bother with preseason games or camp ever again. I understand why they didnt play him, its their team. They could have been more forth coming about their plans. Disappointing young fans is a poor way to keep a fan base, and shelling out regular game prices for a glorified practice and not playing the starters for one series doesnt inspire trust with paying customers

Chromeburn 08-20-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271630)
If I drove 80 miles, paid for parking, bought dinner in the stadium or a restaurant, I would have been disappointed, I suppose the younger fans even more not to see AR take some snaps. Disappointing fans is a poor business plan.

I will never bother with preseason games or camp ever again. I understand why they didnt play him, its their team. They could have been more forth coming about their plans. Disappointing young fans is a poor way to keep a fan base, and shelling out regular game prices for a glorified practice and not playing the starters for one series doesnt inspire trust with paying customers

I can see that. But pre-season you are taking your chances especially when one of the games is for evaluating backups because cut-downs are about to occur.

But if AR doesn’t work out, they can point to NasalGate as the reason. That missed day of practice.

Racehorse 08-20-2023 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 271632)
I can see that. But pre-season you are taking your chances especially when one of the games is for evaluating backups because cut-downs are about to occur.

I agree. Who goes to a preseason game to see quality football? Just people like Jaff, I guess.

JAFF 08-20-2023 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 271632)
I can see that. But pre-season you are taking your chances especially when one of the games is for evaluating backups because cut-downs are about to occur.

I understand, then be forth coming with the fans. They announced he was the starter, and people believed him.

Chromeburn 08-20-2023 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271644)
I understand, then be forth coming with the fans. They announced he was the starter, and people believed him.

They announced him as the starter for the regular season. Teams still use preseason to evaluate their lineups. I get that they’re disappointed, but it’s still not a regular game.

JAFF 08-20-2023 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 271643)
I agree. Who goes to a preseason game to see quality football? Just people like Jaff, I guess.

I’ve been a season ticket holder in both the Hoosier Dome and LOS. I wasnt always fortunate to afford those tickets, so I did go to Terra Haute to see the team at camp. All it cost was $5 for parking and the concession stand was manned by one of the local schools booster clubs. Home cooked dogs and burgers with fries for less than $8.

Who goes to preseason games, many of them are people who cant afford regular season games, and can find someone willing to sell their or donate tickets for less than face value. The concession stand prices are just as expensive as regular season. Parking is still expensive. Gas is still expensive.

What are their expectations? To see a good game, and see the stars.

Its Irsays team, he can do what he wants. The way this was handled makes me less inclinded to go to a game when I can watch it on tv.

ChoppedWood 08-20-2023 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271630)
If I drove 80 miles, paid for parking, bought dinner in the stadium or a restaurant, I would have been disappointed, I suppose the younger fans even more not to see AR take some snaps. Disappointing fans is a poor business plan.

I will never bother with preseason games or camp ever again. I understand why they didnt play him, its their team. They could have been more forth coming about their plans. Disappointing young fans is a poor way to keep a fan base, and shelling out regular game prices for a glorified practice and not playing the starters for one series doesnt inspire trust with paying customers

Yeah that's the piece that is so disappointing- the lack of transparency. In the big scheme of his development, which is the alleged basis of this piece, this shit is meaningless. The not being straight with the consuming fanbase, sort of selling hope on a lot of fronts that isn't warranted, that is sort of something this front office has been very very bad about for a long time now.

apballin 08-20-2023 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271646)
I’ve been a season ticket holder in both the Hoosier Dome and LOS. I wasnt always fortunate to afford those tickets, so I did go to Terra Haute to see the team at camp. All it cost was $5 for parking and the concession stand was manned by one of the local schools booster clubs. Home cooked dogs and burgers with fries for less than $8.

Who goes to preseason games, many of them are people who cant afford regular season games, and can find someone willing to sell their or donate tickets for less than face value. The concession stand prices are just as expensive as regular season. Parking is still expensive. Gas is still expensive.

What are their expectations? To see a good game, and see the stars.

Its Irsays team, he can do what he wants. The way this was handled makes me less inclinded to go to a game when I can watch it on tv.

Cmon man tickets to camp are free, if fans can’t afford regular season tickets go to camp and get closer to AR then you would in any game.

JAFF 08-20-2023 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 271648)
Cmon man tickets to camp are free, if fans can’t afford regular season tickets go to camp and get closer to AR then you would in any game.

I never claimed the charged money for camp. Rose/Hulman charged for parking. If they wanted to see AR last week at camp he wasnt available. He worked away from the team while the majority worked against the bears.

At R/H, you were close to the players at the practice area and when they had a live scrimmage at the R/H stadium you could hear EVERYTHING.

Things change not always for the better. Irsay and family have a good record with the fans. Since Jim took over, he has always put the fans first. The business Taylor and now AR is a departure from how they have communicated with the fans.

Its very odd that the Colts want to keep AR working without the rest of the starting offensive group

Mr. Session 08-21-2023 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 271647)
The not being straight with the consuming fanbase, sort of selling hope on a lot of fronts that isn't warranted, that is sort of something this front office has been very very bad about for a long time now.

I feel like I really started to recognize that behavior towards the end of the Manning era. Irsay is Irsay.

I do not question, for a moment, that he wants to win. On the other hand, I know this dude will absolutely "Smoke and Mirror" his way into getting folks to buy tickets.

Sometimes I wonder if it's the nature of being in a smaller market. I never see anything like this in Atlanta with the Falcons.

Racehorse 08-21-2023 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271646)
I’ve been a season ticket holder in both the Hoosier Dome and LOS. I wasnt always fortunate to afford those tickets, so I did go to Terra Haute to see the team at camp. All it cost was $5 for parking and the concession stand was manned by one of the local schools booster clubs. Home cooked dogs and burgers with fries for less than $8.

Who goes to preseason games, many of them are people who cant afford regular season games, and can find someone willing to sell their or donate tickets for less than face value. The concession stand prices are just as expensive as regular season. Parking is still expensive. Gas is still expensive.

What are their expectations? To see a good game, and see the stars.

Its Irsays team, he can do what he wants. The way this was handled makes me less inclinded to go to a game when I can watch it on tv.

Get over yourself. Teams have always limited starters in preseason. Now that we have one less game and joint practices, most teams opt to get the starters reps in during the week, and play the ones fighting for a spot in the meaningless game.

JAFF 08-21-2023 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 271632)
I can see that. But pre-season you are taking your chances especially when one of the games is for evaluating backups

If he doesnt make its because he cant read defenses and/or pass accurately, or he’s made of glass. Playing in a home preseason game would have been a good place to get him some experience.

Its Jim’s team, he can do what wants.

JAFF 08-21-2023 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 271657)
Get over yourself. Teams have always limited starters in preseason. Now that we have one less game and joint practices, most teams opt to get the starters reps in during the week, and play the ones fighting for a spot in the meaningless game.

Not the discussion. They name him the starter, and didnt start him. I doubt he will start in this last game. How this translates when the season starts will be interesting. The Colts could have been honest with the fans.

Oldcolt 08-21-2023 11:45 AM

For fans as interested as most of us are on this board AR not starting or playing was expected. It would have been a nice and decent thing for the Colts to have announced before the game that he wouldn't play so people who were casual fans could make plans accordingly.

HoosierinFL 08-21-2023 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271661)
Not the discussion. They name him the starter, and didnt start him. I doubt he will start in this last game. How this translates when the season starts will be interesting. The Colts could have been honest with the fans.

They didn't name him the starter for that game. They named him the #1 QB on the depth chart alone, prior to that he and Minshew were both listed as #1. That had nothing to do with the Bears game.

ChaosTheory 08-21-2023 12:47 PM

Preseason has understandable trends. For example, we all knew when it was 4-games, that Week 3 was the only one where you might see a half of starters. If you bought games to Week 4 expecting to see Peyton Manning... sorry?

Nowadays, one of the trends is working your 1's during joint-practices which eliminates the need for 1's in the game. Use that time for depth and bubble guys.

This is not the same as the NBA, with all their load-management shit, that have healthy starters sit out random games, including marquee match-ups.

Brylok 08-21-2023 01:53 PM

Oh, Doyle. Take breath and rest your fingers. There will be plenty of losses to maon about soon enough.

I'm keeping my tradition of not watching preseason alive this year, too. Hate that crap.

CletusPyle 08-21-2023 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271661)
Not the discussion. They name him the starter, and didnt start him. I doubt he will start in this last game. How this translates when the season starts will be interesting. The Colts could have been honest with the fans.

Looks like Steichen decided Richardson got all the reps he needed in the scrimmages with the Bears earlier in the week. He says he hasn't decided if he will play against the Eagles Thursday or not....since they scrimmage with them tomorrow I guess it will depend on how many reps he gets as to whether he will play or not!

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...s/70635133007/

Oldcolt 08-21-2023 03:46 PM

Heard a discussion about why these practices are more important than getting in 3 or 4 series in an exhibition game. To begin with you are playing first team against first team (mostly) in practices. You get to set up the situation you want to work on-ie 30 seconds left, you are on your own 40 down by 2 with one time out-whatever situation you want to work on you get to. And it isn't for only 2 or 3 sets, you get 20-30 plays to run, all of them what you as an offense want to work on. Makes sense that AR/Steichen get more out of that than a shittly exhibition game.

HoosierinFL 08-21-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271659)
If he doesnt make its because he cant read defenses and/or pass accurately, or he’s made of glass. Playing in a home preseason game would have been a good place to get him some experience.

Its Jim’s team, he can do what wants.

Why does anyone think Irsay decides who is getting playing time in preseason games?

Chromeburn 08-21-2023 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 271701)
Why does anyone think Irsay decides who is getting playing time in preseason games?

Same people that think Ballard is out there coaching position groups or setting the depth chart. Or that Steichen is negotiation with agents and signing players.

Racehorse 08-21-2023 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271661)
Not the discussion. They name him the starter, and didnt start him. I doubt he will start in this last game. How this translates when the season starts will be interesting. The Colts could have been honest with the fans.

Again, they named him the starter for the regular season, which means little to no action in the preseason games.

YDFL Commish 08-21-2023 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 271697)
Heard a discussion about why these practices are more important than getting in 3 or 4 series in an exhibition game. To begin with you are playing first team against first team (mostly) in practices. You get to set up the situation you want to work on-ie 30 seconds left, you are on your own 40 down by 2 with one time out-whatever situation you want to work on you get to. And it isn't for only 2 or 3 sets, you get 20-30 plays to run, all of them what you as an offense want to work on. Makes sense that AR/Steichen get more out of that than a shittly exhibition game.

Stop making sense. People don't want to hear that.

IndyNorm 08-21-2023 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271649)
I never claimed the charged money for camp. Rose/Hulman charged for parking. If they wanted to see AR last week at camp he wasnt available. He worked away from the team while the majority worked against the bears.

At R/H, you were close to the players at the practice area and when they had a live scrimmage at the R/H stadium you could hear EVERYTHING.

Things change not always for the better. Irsay and family have a good record with the fans. Since Jim took over, he has always put the fans first. The business Taylor and now AR is a departure from how they have communicated with the fans.

Its very odd that the Colts want to keep AR working without the rest of the starting offensive group

Where'd you see this? Here's what the RATS article said about the decision to sit AR in the preseason game:

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The Colts ultimately decided to hold starting quarterback Anthony Richardson out of Saturday night’s 24-17 preseason win over the Chicago Bears because the coaching staff believed the rookie quarterback had gotten enough work in two joint practices earlier this week.

Richardson handled more than 70 first-team snaps against the Bears on Wednesday and Thursday.

Because of those snaps, the Bears and Colts decided to hold most of their starters out of the preseason game, and Richardson’s status as a rookie didn’t alter Indianapolis head coach Shane Steichen’s decision.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...s/70635133007/

Also, playing 1-2 series w/ backups and against backups in a preseason game isn't going to be this huge detriment to AR's development that you and Doyel seem to think it is.

apballin 08-21-2023 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271649)
I never claimed the charged money for camp. Rose/Hulman charged for parking. If they wanted to see AR last week at camp he wasnt available. He worked away from the team while the majority worked against the bears.

At R/H, you were close to the players at the practice area and when they had a live scrimmage at the R/H stadium you could hear EVERYTHING.

Things change not always for the better. Irsay and family have a good record with the fans. Since Jim took over, he has always put the fans first. The business Taylor and now AR is a departure from how they have communicated with the fans.

Its very odd that the Colts want to keep AR working without the rest of the starting offensive group

I’ve seen multiple reports that says Colts have to drag AR off the field because he tries to stay and sign every autograph

Racehorse 08-21-2023 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 271735)
Where'd you see this? Here's what the RATS article said about the decision to sit AR in the preseason game:



https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...s/70635133007/

Also, playing 1-2 series w/ backups and against backups in a preseason game isn't going to be this huge detriment to AR's development that you and Doyel seem to think it is.

Jaff reads what he wants to hear, and not the truth. Why else would he read Doyel's stuff and think it is valid?

JAFF 08-21-2023 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 271735)
Where'd you see this? Here's what the RATS article said about the decision to sit AR in the preseason game:
is.

I messed that up, my apologies. Where I found it was taken down.


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