Taylor has requested to be traded.
 

Sad. Doubt there is a market for what he wants. He and his agent believe he is an extremely valuable asset that deserves to be paid. There shouldn’t be an issue finding a trade partner that will make the Colts a good offer then. Let them go set up a trade. No less than a (expected) mid level 2nd. Otherwise I’d rather just hold him and let him rot.

This was starting to remind me of the Le'Veon Bell situation. Is it actually going to become that? From Taylor of all guys?

Yea never thought Taylor Would act like a diva

Oh well next man up

Disappointing.....Moss may not have his home run capabilities, but he is a solid back, don't let the door hit you in the ass JT!

Not going to end well for JT. He is replaceable and seems to overvalue himself. Introduce him to LeVeon Bell please. And Bell was a better back by far.

So apparently Irsay has told Al Breer via text that the Colts aren't trading JT.


https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/stat...62392119984128

Ok, if they can get a 2nd for him, do it.

Requesting a trade at this point is bullshit, if the rumors are true that they haven’t really even discussed an extension.

Seems like JT just wants out. And if they can get a 2nd for him, pull the trigger.

Right, who would trade for what the Colts would ask? Meanwhile, they have him potentially locked up for years with the franchise tag.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but can't they non-exclusive franchise tag him in '24 and then let some retard team offer him a dumb contract the Colts don't want to match... and the Colts would get two first-round comp picks?

Of course... Saquon Barkley just got franchise tagged and reportedly Dalvin Cook is being offered something like 2yrs/$19m. Market dictates. Even the retard teams remember Le'Veon Bell robbing the Jets. I don't know what leverage JT's people think he has.

And like Marlon Mack tweeting to pay him... I mean I get it, and I liked Mack, but sorry... Marlon Mack is a textbook example for why RB's are handled the way they are. They're not only subject to more injury risk... they also often don't regain what they had before the injury.

Such a shitty outcome of what once looked like a transcendent opportunity.

We have ALL the leverage. Dude really runs the risk of destroying his career pulling this stunt right now. Seems like such a smart guy, but this is a very stupid move.

Wonder how much is coming from his dumbass agent

The biggest problem for any NFL RB is that the next guy in college is deemed to be even better, and cheaper. Life sucks, sorry guys, life as an NFL RB at the top table is short even for the extremely talented.

First Hines and now Taylor? What fucking cancer causing chemical is in that RB room?

I loved this guy As a badger, and I was so excited when we drafted him.

It’s a business and it’s his right, and I understand his perspective, but I’m a Colt fan and I’ve seen my guys replace dudes like you TWICE, Jonathan.

You got shit fucked up bro.

Irsay says we aren't trading him, but what kind of effort can you expect to get from such a disgruntled and unhappy player? At this point, I'm not sure I even want a guy like this under contract, he has shown his true character....unless he fires his agent and apologizes (yeah right) I don't trust him!

That's the thing, his cap hit is nothing, he can sit at home and it means basically nothing to the Colts. Hold out, stay home, collect a decent pay check, and watch the NFL march right by you. Next year, we have no obligation to do anything other than post highlights of his replacement. Dude / agent, does not understand this game, he will push himself out of the league with a hold out vs increasing his market / value.

I suppose he could show up, play a couple games, claim he is injured and then sit out so he isn't in violation of his current contract. Of course everyone talks and every owner / GM will know what he's up to- and thus rewarding him becomes even more unlikely. Slippery slope, very slippery.

Either JT or his agent are really stupid, perhaps both of them...

No doubt. Crazy thing is this is definitely costing JT money. If he had handled this like a professional similar to MPJ, who IMO has much more leverage currently than JT does, then JT would have gotten paid as long as he had a good year. Probably not Christian McCaffrey money, but at least Derrick Henry/Nick Chubb money. But since he's shown himself to be a total bitch diva then I doubt anyone's going to give him that. Especially when he's under contract, which is what he seems to think he's entitled to.

Also, it's a smaller sample size, but we actually ran the ball better with Moss last year than JT (see below). Which is just another reason why the Colts have all of the leverage.

Moss (4 starts): 4.8 ypc, 87.5 ypg
JT (10 starts): 4.5 ypc, 86.1 ypg

Like others are saying, that's only going to hurt him if he wants another team to pay money + draft capital for him.

I keep hearing about the agent and it gives me Mike Tyson-Don King vibes as far as corrupting a star. Maybe that's not fair, I don't know.

And this would be the issue with Taylor dogging it. If he can’t show clear separation between himself and Moss then he has zero chance of getting paid top dollar. Certainly no where near the $16m / yr he and his agent are rumored to be asking for. Especially considering he doesn’t offer much as a receiver or blocker in the passing game. Moss ran hard and my guess is he’ll be extra motivated seeing a potential starting job in range.

I hope cooler heads can prevail and things can get patched up.

Taylor is one of my favorite players for the Colts in a long time, and in general I'm sympathetic to the plight of RB's in this league. Irsay's dumbass tweet didn't help anything either.

That said, I can't say this trade demand is good for him, and his agent seems like the biggest fuckwad and a half.

Just heard some AM talk show that they think JT has been earmarked as the one the RB's think can change the landscape and that he is taking the role of trying to force a new type of contract just for RB's where initial contract is a 3 year vs 4 year. Also trying to set the standard that RB's re-up every 3 years. If this is true, if when all the RB's met to discuss a couple weeks ago he agreed to assume this posture, dude really is stupid. Go through the NFLPA not through your own contract negotiation dumb ass.

Yes. Taylor's best route to getting paid is the route that is ostensibly setup through the CB agreement. He's only becoming further removed from his 2021 form which is the one a team would pay for. If he would shut up and show up for '24, get back to form and ball out... that's his best path to an extension.

If you're on the wrong end of a Zack Moss comparison, however...

It's fucking stupid. What, we're going to have individual CB's for every position in the game? Eventually the union rep for the X-Receivers is pushing for more guaranteed money because Z-Receivers get to line up off the line of scrimmage.

Taylor has definitely backed himself into a corner. Unless he's going to get that trade he requested, which doesn't sound likely, he's going to have to do a 180 on his attitude and ball out this season if he wants to get paid next year.

A healthy JT is definitely better than Moss. Don't think anyone is going to argue that. But the dropoff doesn't appear to be so much that having to go w/ Moss instead of JT is going to kill the season. At least from the small sample size from Moss that we have to go off of.

This makes the most sense to me. Guy was all in on playing out his contract and getting paid. It was no issue that he wouldn't get a new contract this year until it was. What changed? I have no idea but this makes sense on the surface. If it is true we it will get out, to many people will have had to know about it. It is a mess but labor issues usually are. The team will be fine whatever happens with this mess

Wow, new agent doing maximum reputational harm... JT one of these book smart street stupid guys or what???

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/doyel-j...031740457.html

Colts would be fools to trade him. Tell him either show up and play or stay the fuck away. See how well that works for him.

Exactly. We aren't gonna get anything better than a 2nd for a RB, sucks but that's the market, even for a potentially all time great. Nope, sit on his ass and let him squirm.

Absolutely. The stat you posted just illustrates that, among other issues, the timing isn't helping him gain leverage. Opposite.

I empathize with players more than I used to. I really do. But from what I can tell, Taylor hasn’t really even given the Colts a chance to make an offer. Sounds like he said something to the effect of “I want an extension and I want it now”.

Fuck that.

He can kiss my ass.

Either suit up and play or sit out the season, as far as I’m concerned.

He’s not going to come out ahead by sitting out.

I agree, the situation for these guys is awful. Listening to a talk show the other day, RB's are the only position that play after play after play they get hit by a dude that is 100-150 LBs heavier than them. Yet year in and out, there are dudes that get 2,000 of their teams ~5,500 - 6,000 yards; one dude is accounting for 1/3 of the total output in yards- and they are getting paid some of the lowest wages for the job they perform. Their shelf life really is tiny, and that sucks. However, there is no quick fix to this legitimate issue, and trying to use your own personal contract to bend the knee of 32 multi-billionaires, man that is a dumb fucking path to choose. Cannot believe he of all people appears to be the moron that thinks he can change the NFL landscape. Wow.

Running backs situations is awful compared to who? JT is pissed because he is only going to make 4 million plus this year and is slated for 10=12 million next year. Not the 20-30 million wrs get, but awful? Not in the world I live in. He overvalues himself.

I guess his agent convinced him that scorched earth was the way to go. I have no idea why a guy as smart as JT fell for it.

All he’s doing is turning the fanbase and, more importantly, Irsay against him.

I have no idea what he thinks he’s going to get from another team that he won’t get from the Colts.

No team, and I mean NONE, are going to give up assets to get him and then give him the contract he wants.

It’s insane that he apparently thinks that’s possible.

This agent has poisoned his brain, apparently.

At this point I’ll be pissed if the Colts blink.

Seriously, fuck that guy.

We paid Nelson, we paid Leonard, we paid Stewart, we paid Defo, we paid Smith, we paid Hines.

If he didn’t go nuclear, he was probably going to get an extension.

Now, it doesn’t look likely.

In fact, I hope it doesn’t happen.

All that stuff you are talking about with Nelson etc... I firmly believe that's the impetus behind Taylor being the one who was elected to run the closing leg for the team (if such a decision was orchestrated by the RB's). Irsay, and Ballard are KNOWN for paying their own. So in a room of dudes trying to figure out who to tag with this task- JT makes a lot of sense. Front office known for loyalty and a brand new QB with all of 13 college games under his belt, and an Oline that was at one point considered the best in the league and COULD produce a HUGE year for JT. We need to turn things around, lean on JT to run a bunch, lean on the OT returning to form, let the rookie grow into passing in pressure situations... it all makes sense.

It all makes sense up to the point that you stop and think about where the money comes from. It comes from a group of tycoons, who put a guy at the top of the pyramid that is paid a ridiculously absurd salary to increase their tycoonism. It's a rigged system JT, and for as great as you appear to be, and as bad as it appears the Colts need you in the backfield this year, you don't have the bag to challenge these dudes, you just don't. None of these owners are going to yield to this type of heavy handed tactic, none of them due to the damage it represents to the unified power structure.

Yep, if he had just gone out and busted it, Jim would have probably given him a 13-15 per contract- just because that's what he does. Instead, looks like JT's gonna need to work with his financial advisor to figure out how to spread that $4M around this year.

So fucking stupid.

Now Chappell is reporting that the Colts are considering placing him on the non football injury list due to a back injury he suffered away from the team. Which would leave them the option of voiding his salary this season and just tolling his contract to next year.

Looks like Jim and/or Ballard are willing to play hardball. Or at least act like they will.

Holy shit. It’s stunning how fast this has fallen apart.

I’m starting to wonder if he’ll ever play another down for the Colts.

Holy shit, nuclear option on the table. This is crazyiness.

No kidding. And Bell is doing a lot of talking over the last few months about his Pittsburgh exit. He has admitted that he has a lot of regrets about it and even apologized to Steelers fans.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...oi9tgxsmgxhvip

Yeah, Jim’s pissed now.

I don’t see any way JT comes out ahead on this unless the Colts cave. No team is going to trade for him and the Colts aren’t just going to release him.

The agents not going to back down now or he’d lose face.

I don’t think this is going to end well.

Seriously? Was a back injury known and I missed it? Or is this just a face value fuck you back at JT and Co.? Cause remember Luck proved with his snowboarding accident that a team doesn't have to use the non-football injury list (star QB, I know).

Of course they have every right to use it if an injury occurred. The NFL even sent out a memo regarding injuries away from team facilities prior to 2021 when DEN OT Ja'Wuan James blew out his knee away from the team and lost his salary + $15m in guarantees.

They sent that memo because so many players were publicly shocked and unaware that they could lose their contracts under those circumstances. Did JT and Co. not read the memo before they made their battle plan?

Like I said....JT needs to fire this asswipe agent and apologize if he ever wants to play for the Colts again. This agent has come very close to totally ruining a potential HOF career!

JT just tweeted:
1- Never had a back pain
2- Never reported back pain
Not sure who "sources" are, but find new ones

Oh yeah, this is headed straight to hell.

Unbelievable the unraveling.