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JAFF 05-03-2023 08:54 AM

lts offensive line with no outside additions
 
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...p/70171354007/

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INDIANAPOLIS — The son has been waiting, working for a long time to land this job.

The job he watched his dad do for so long.

When Tony Sparano Jr. was in high school and college, his father was Bill Parcells’ offensive line coach in Dallas, building enough of a name for himself that the Miami Dolphins hired Tony Sparano to be the team’s head coach; but it was the work he did with the big guys up front that captured his son’s imagination.

“I’ve always wanted to be a line coach,” Sparano Jr. said. “The bond created by those five up front when they truly play and function together as one unit is really special.”


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Sparano Jr. spent a dozen years working toward his goal, bouncing from team to team and mentor to mentor for six years as an assistant offensive line coach before landing the full-blown role with Shane Steichen in Indianapolis this offseason.

The Colts are betting almost all of their chips this offseason that their new offensive line coach can fix a unit that imploded in the first half of the 2022 season, setting off a chain reaction that set the franchise on fire. By the time the offensive line settled down, the fire was out of control.


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Sparano Jr.’s first job as a full-time offensive line coach is to take roughly the same group of personnel and produce entirely different results. Indianapolis just used the No. 4 pick to take a rookie quarterback, Anthony Richardson.

The Colts know the offensive line is critical to Richardson’s development, the franchise’s No. 1 objective for the foreseeable future.


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“We’re hoping to create the perfect storm with him, with Jonathan Taylor and that offensive line,” Indianapolis owner Jim Irsay said. “I don’t think the offense is finished. One of the things Shane really emphasizes is how great that offensive line is in Philadelphia, and we want to try to match that excellence that they have. … We haven’t gotten there.”

But the draft is now over, and the Colts still haven’t added any new pieces to the offensive line who provide experienced depth, let alone any players who look like they can challenge for a starting spot.



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Indianapolis drafted two offensive tackles — BYU’s Blake Freeland in the fourth round and Northern Michigan’s Jake Witt in the seventh — who project as depth pieces. The Colts also haven’t signed any experienced interior offensive line depth, outside of a January waiver claim on former Cowboys lineman Dakoda Shepley, who has played in 13 games over the past three seasons.

“Getting Freeland at tackle, we thought, was important,” general manager Chris Ballard said. “We think he’s got really good upside.”

Ballard has hinted the team believes there are still some pieces available in free agency who can help, but in reality, most of the players still available would likely be depth pieces, rather than real competition for a starting spot.

That puts a lot of pressure on Sparano Jr. to get better seasons out of a front five that currently looks like it will be roughly the same one that ended last season — Bernhard Raimann at left tackle, Quenton Nelson at left guard, Ryan Kelly at center, Will Fries at right guard and Braden Smith at right tackle. Fourth-year veteran Danny Pinter is also available, but he’s struggled outside of the center position.


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Frustrated and flustered by their awful start last season, the Indianapolis offensive line gave up 60 sacks, the second-worst mark in the league, and struggled to open holes on the ground, finishing 23rd in the NFL in yards per carry.

The Indianapolis offensive line played better down the stretch.

Sparano Jr.’s initial approach has been emphasizing what the Colts’ brass has been saying all offseason, that the talent in place is better than anybody outside the building realizes.

That’s not the only change in approach. Sparano, Jr., plans to make changes in technique, scheme and coaching style, but first and foremost, he wants to instill confidence back into an Indianapolis offensive line that admits it lost its sense of identity last season. .

“You look back at a lot of the good things we did, some things that were just missing here and there, and I think a lot of the negative kind of clouded our memory of how the year went,” Kelly said. “The eye-opening thing, watching the film, was we did a lot of great stuff, too.”


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Rebuilding the offensive line’s confidence requires a clean slate.

Especially with the Colts potentially fielding the same line.

“We go about it by building the dynamic of the group from scratch,” Sparano Jr. said

Sparano Jr., along with assistant offensive line coach Chris Watt, has to rebuild the Indianapolis offensive line in two separate ways. First, they have to get players like Kelly, Nelson and Smith playing up to their reputation and compensation — Indianapolis still has the NFL’s seventh-highest-paid offensive line; and second, they have to develop their young starters.

Echoing Colts’ brass, Sparano Jr. believes Raimann and Fries are better than they showed last season. Raimann, a third-round pick who’d played just two seasons at tackle when the Colts drafted him last April, gave up nine sacks, tied for seventh-most in the NFL, but Indianapolis believes he got better as the season progressed.

“Bernhard, our left tackle, he did a lot of good things,” Sparano Jr. said. “Was really encouraged by a lot of what I saw on his tape, both in pass protection and what he can do for you in the run game.”


The Colts feel the same way about Fries, a 2021 seventh-round pick who is headed into his third season in Indianapolis.

“When we played them in New York, just watching him go toe-to-toe with the two d-tackles that we had, with Dexter (Lawrence) and (Leonard Williams), and not backing down, I’ve got a ton of respect for how he approached that,” Sparano Jr. said.

What remains surprising is that the Colts haven’t added any experienced depth on the offensive line this offseason.

Two years ago, Indianapolis brought in veteran guard Chris Reed on a low-cost deal, a move that turned out to be prescient when Nelson went down with an early-season ankle injury. Reed stepped into the lineup and played good football for the Colts, the same way Matt Pryor stabilized the right tackle position in 2021, although the team’s decision to hand Pryor the left tackle job in 2022 was disastrous.

Outside of Pinter, the Colts do not appear to have that veteran presence available right now, although as Ballard indicated, they can still add veterans to the mix.


Primarily, though, improvement up front is going to have to come from within, from making the same five guys into a much more cohesive unit than the one that struggled so much last season.

“The integrity of the offensive line room is paramount,” Kelly said. “You can have the best schemes, you can have the best guys evaluating defenses, but if you’re not collectively five-as-one, and that room is not a place you want to go and want to be at, it doesn’t matter what you do.”

And the Colts appear to be counting heavily on Sparano Jr., to provide almost all of that improvement.

Chicken salad out of chicken sh*t?

Colts And Orioles 05-03-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 265500)



Chicken salad out of chicken shit ???




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The first thing that comes to mind when I hear that phrase is Billy Martin ...... he twice took the worst team in baseball (the 1973 Texas Rangers, and the 1979 Oakland Athletics), and immediately made them contenders with winning records in his first season managing said teams. Both of those teams were coming off of back-to-back seasons with more than 100 losses.

Additionally, Martin took 2 teams that had losing records the year before he got there (the 1968 Twins and the 1970 Tigers), and went 97-65 and 91-71 with both of those teams, respectively.

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ChaosTheory 05-03-2023 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 265289)
They might. Could believe that with continued continuity this unit could do well. Still plenty of time, though.

I'm still here ^^. If I had to bet right now, I'd say our starting OL is going to be what finished last season: Raimann-Nelson-Kelly-Fries-Smith.

Depth is interesting. Ekiyor is very intriuging because although he was a guard at Alabama, he was running at center at the Senior Bowl. He also played center in high school. So his immediate competition is Pinter since he backs up both. I also wouldn't be surprised if he gives Fries a run. He's more stout, but much stronger than both.

The young tackles are both going to take some time I think.

Oldcolt 05-03-2023 02:30 PM

This has the smell of disaster to me. We are happy with how last years line played at the end so no additions? We think a new line coach is all that is needed? I think I am feeling this way because of last year, we were worried but told to relax as the Colts had this. We all lived through that debacle. I hope we aren't in for the same shit this coming year. If they don't fix that line it won't matter who they add, they will suck.

ukcolt 05-03-2023 04:34 PM

I am ok with the tackle situation. Think Raimann was always going to be the starter and we have drafted a guy in the 4th to be his backup. But I think we should be upgrading Fries. But there are still a couple of decent free agents still out there who could really do a job for the Colts. Dalton Risner or Isaiah Wynn have a lot of starting experience, although my favourite just for this season would be Justin Pugh.

Dam8610 05-03-2023 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 265516)
This has the smell of disaster to me. We are happy with how last years line played at the end so no additions? We think a new line coach is all that is needed? I think I am feeling this way because of last year, we were worried but told to relax as the Colts had this. We all lived through that debacle. I hope we aren't in for the same shit this coming year. If they don't fix that line it won't matter who they add, they will suck.

There were three additions through the draft, two of which could see PT, one of which could win the starting RG spot. I get them feeling okay about OC, Kelly may bounce back and if he doesn't, Pinter plays well there, that seems to be the only spot he plays well. I think more could've been done with OG, but Ekeyor was seen as a round 3-4 guy by most pre-draft, so he's the type who should be able to come in and compete for a starting spot.

IndyNorm 05-03-2023 07:23 PM

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“You look back at a lot of the good things we did, some things that were just missing here and there, and I think a lot of the negative kind of clouded our memory of how the year went,” Kelly said. “The eye-opening thing, watching the film, was we did a lot of great stuff, too.”
For starters WTF was Kelly smoking when he was watching that film?

Bringing in a new OL coach will probably help, but we'll see how much. Ballard really should at least bring in some competition. If nothing else to show that complete shit play isn't acceptable.

rm1369 05-04-2023 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 265532)
There were three additions through the draft, two of which could see PT, one of which could win the starting RG spot. I get them feeling okay about OC, Kelly may bounce back and if he doesn't, Pinter plays well there, that seems to be the only spot he plays well. I think more could've been done with OG, but Ekeyor was seen as a round 3-4 guy by most pre-draft, so he's the type who should be able to come in and compete for a starting spot.

A rookie 4th rounder MAY be counted on to provide some depth. I still want to see a completion. He shouldn’t be handed anything.

A rookie 7th rounder and a rookie UDFA should not be counted on for jack shit. It doesn’t matter than some mocks had the UDFA as 3-4 rounder. The team obviously didn’t see him that way.

It’s still plenty early in the offseason so I’m not going to bitch about it too much, but if nothing else is done this will be another example of one of my major issues with Ballard - gifting young guys spots. Betting it all on his drafting ability. You have a rookie QB, there is nothing more important to his on the field learning than the damn OL. Don’t repeat last years mistake.

omahacolt 05-05-2023 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 265507)
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The first thing that comes to mind when I hear that phrase is Billy Martin ...... he twice took the worst team in baseball (the 1973 Texas Rangers, and the 1979 Oakland Athletics), and immediately made them contenders with winning records in his first season managing said teams. Both of those teams were coming off of back-to-back season with more than 100 losses.

Additionally, Martin took 2 teams that had losing records the year before he got there (the 1968 Twins and the 1970 Tigers), and went 97-65 and 91-71 with both of those teams, respectively.

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does anything ever come to mind that isn't 50 years old

Dam8610 05-05-2023 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 265601)
A rookie 4th rounder MAY be counted on to provide some depth. I still want to see a completion. He shouldn’t be handed anything.

A rookie 7th rounder and a rookie UDFA should not be counted on for jack shit. It doesn’t matter than some mocks had the UDFA as 3-4 rounder. The team obviously didn’t see him that way.

It’s still plenty early in the offseason so I’m not going to bitch about it too much, but if nothing else is done this will be another example of one of my major issues with Ballard - gifting young guys spots. Betting it all on his drafting ability. You have a rookie QB, there is nothing more important to his on the field learning than the damn OL. Don’t repeat last years mistake.

I didn't say pencil them in the starting lineup, I said I could see them getting playing time, not necessarily for emergency reasons, and doing well in that playing time.

Colts And Orioles 05-05-2023 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 265685)



Does anything ever come to mind that isn't 50 years old ???




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Yes ...... I had a dream that it was 1983, and the Orioles were on their way to the World Series.

That's only 40 years-old.

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ukcolt 05-06-2023 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 265601)
A rookie 7th rounder and a rookie UDFA should not be counted on for jack shit. It doesn’t matter than some mocks had the UDFA as 3-4 rounder. The team obviously didn’t see him that way.

I suspect his talent they all valued him as a mid rounder, it is his knee injury that seems to have been the real cause for concern. But that might have been overblown from what he has said.

Only time will tell what reality actually becomes.

rm1369 05-06-2023 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 265721)
I suspect his talent they all valued him as a mid rounder, it is his knee injury that seems to have been the real cause for concern. But that might have been overblown from what he has said.

Only time will tell what reality actually becomes.

I hope he becomes the starter and plays 10 years. My only point is that Ballard has to stop expecting young guys to step up and fill every role. Beyond round 1 and maybe round 2 you shouldn’t be depending on these guys for anything other than competition. Make them earn it. Quit expecting it and damn sure stop gifting it.

JAFF 05-06-2023 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 265725)
I hope he becomes the starter and plays 10 years. My only point is that Ballard has to stop expecting young guys to step up and fill every role. Beyond round 1 and maybe round 2 you shouldn’t be depending on these guys for anything other than competition. Make them earn it. Quit expecting it and damn sure stop gifting it.

Mannings best O line had 1 first round pick, a second rounder, a couple mid rounders and one walk on.

There is a cap, you need young guys to fill 30 spots after the starting 22.

IndyNorm 05-07-2023 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 265728)
Mannings best O line had 1 first round pick, a second rounder, a couple mid rounders and one walk on.

There is a cap, you need young guys to fill 30 spots after the starting 22.

Don't you always say that it's Monopoly money since teams always find ways around the cap?

After the disaster that was last year's OL you would think Ballard wouldn't be so trusting of the guys on the roster, and that he'd bring in some vets to ensure he can give his rookie QB adequate pass protection in order to develop. Maybe he can find some Chris Reed types, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Colts And Orioles 01-05-2024 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 265500)



How Tony Sparano Jr. Plans to Fix Colts Offensive Line With No Outside Additions

(By Joel A. Erickson)

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...p/70171354007/



Chicken-salad out of chicken-shit ???




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(8 MONTHS LATER)


Chris Ballard didn't panic ...... like myself, he felt that the talent on the 2022 Colts was much higher than their 4-12-1 record might indicate ...... subsequently, he gave a free hand to his offensive line coach, and the results have been magnificent.

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Colts And Orioles 01-23-2024 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 265500)



How Tony Sparano Jr. Plans to Fix Colts Offensive Line With No Outside Additions

(By Joel A. Erickson)

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...p/70171354007/



Chicken-salad out of chicken-shit ???




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Back in May, the article that JAFF posted cited Tony Sparano's proposal to fix the Colts' offensive line, which had a disastrous season in 2022.

He must have done something right, because the Colts' offensive line in 2023 was much more reminiscent of the excellent one that was was protecting Philip Rivers in 2020 than the horrible one that was "protecting" Matt Ryan in 2022.



How O-Line Coach Tony Sparano Jr. Pushed Colts’ Offensive Line Turnaround in 2023

(By J.J. Stankevitz)

https://www.colts.com/news/tony-spar...d-raimann-2023

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HoosierinFL 01-24-2024 09:56 AM

The stank of that oline play followed Reich and his scheme to Carolina.

albany ed 01-24-2024 12:30 PM

When healthy and all are starting, the line is pretty good. However, you should expect that none of them will be playing all 17 regular season and (presuming we make the playoffs) all playoff games. For that reason, depth, and I mean quality depth is very important.

Colts And Orioles 01-24-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 291450)



When healthy and all are starting, the line is pretty good. However, you should expect that none of them will be playing all 17 regular season and (presuming we make the playoffs) all playoff games. For that reason, ) depth, and I mean quality depth, is very important.




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YDFL Commish 01-24-2024 01:50 PM

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Bert Jones and Andrew Luck both approve of this message.

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To be fair, Jones problems started when Marchibroda had him a play in the final meaningless pre-season game of the '78 on the rock hard surface of the Pontiac Silverdome.

Colts And Orioles 01-24-2024 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 291453)
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Bert Jones and Andrew Luck both approve of this message.

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 291457)



To be fair, Jones problems started when Marchibroda had him a play in the final meaningless pre-season game of the '78 on the rock hard surface of the Pontiac Silverdome.




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Yes, that fateful sack by Bubba Bean of the Detroit Lions in that 1978 exhibition game was a major turning point in Colts history ...... when I made that post, I was thinking more in terms of the 1981 team, when the Colts went 2-14 and Bert had a public falling out with Curtis Dickey on the field.

Bert was healthy and had solid statistical seasons in 1980 and 1981, but the offensive line by that time was not on par with the 1975, 1976, and 1977 teams.

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