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JAFF 03-31-2023 10:57 AM

Richardson: ‘Lord knows what my ceiling is.’
 
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...k/70051140007/

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This is a boy merging with a man here, showing off in front of hundreds of eyes paid highly to scout the difference between the two. He's a 20-year-old who rides to football practice with his younger brother on the handle-bars, who sometimes speaks of quarterbacking like a backflip he just launched into, an act of sheer courage he feels cosmetically wired to land.


And yet he lands enough of these acts because the legs he's operating on belong to those of a man. He measured and tested those limbs last month at the NFL Scouting Combine, checking in at 6-foot-4 and 244 pounds. He jumped higher than any quarterback in the history of the event at 40.5 inches. He leaped farther than all but one, too, at 10 feet 9 inches. And he sprinted 40 yards in 4.43 seconds, a time reserved for the pro defensive backs he'll throw at next season.

"I actually met him in the sixth or seventh grade. He was athletic then. He could jump out of the gym then," said Florida defensive tackle Gervon Dexter Sr., who also grew up in central Florida. "All of the stuff he did at the combine, it surprised a lot of people, but it didn't surprise me."


Richardson still attacks football with the enthusiasm of that seventh-grader, in part because he never had to leave him behind. He attended Eastside High School in Gainesville, where he dreamed of running into the Swamp with a Gator Chomp and leading a team with his radiant joy. The kids around him never caught up in height or weight, and each deep throw and stiff-arm of a Southeastern Conference defender made him feel like those childhood dreams were real.

That doesn't mean it was all perfect or even close. Kids crash sometimes, to. And behind those tree-trunk legs and linebacker torso are some warts, like a 54.7% career completion rate and just 24 touchdown passes and 13 starts at

"I'm a workhorse. I'm going to work to become the greatest," Richardson said.

Never in the passing league era has a college quarterback with Richardson’s mix of experience and production become a notable NFL quarterback. But never has one had the measurables he has and been given the same opportunity.


He is a wind-up toy. Ask him where he needs to get better and he can't pin it down.

He hasn't scratched that part of the surface yet.


"If you ask me, I'd say everything: footwork, accuracy, arm power, leadership, decision-making. I could go on and on," Richardson said.

Asked about his lack of production, he'll say, "I can't control everything. I do feel like I'm a great player."

Richardson is effervescent when asked about his strengths and evasive when pressed on his weaknesses. He's a 20-year-old getting ready to leave his hometown for the first time, a maturation process the NFL is trying to microwave with cameras, comparisons and hyperbole.


"The sun is shining," Florida guard O'Cyrus Torrence said. "If you're in a room with people who are sad, you'll see him smiling. He lifts up the morale of the room. You can see it in sparks out here on the field, but you really see it in the locker room."

Richardson thrives on joy, and doing things with a football others cannot brings him that. It's harder to dwell on the details. But those in his circle are trying.

At his pro day, he tried to walk back some of the hype he threw on himself at the combine, back when he spoke about playing like a cross between Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson and describing himself as legendary.

"I don't believe in hype," he said. "Hype can take you down the wrong tunnel, and I'm not going down the wrong tunnel."

But he's also not afraid of it.


"I wore No. 15 here at the University of Florida. A lot of people thought it was going be hard for me to try to mimic (Tim) Tebow, but I didn't want to mimic Tebow. I just wanted to be the best version of myself," Richardson said. "So if Carolina was to draft me, then I'm not going to try to be like Cam (Newton)."

This is Richardson shifting into business mode, trading that sweat-soaked white spandex T-Shirt for a suit that doesn't quite fit yet.

By now, all of his games, the throws on air, the highlights and the misses and the measurables are out in the open. What's left is six interviews with teams, and the Colts will be one of them. They have to wait and see what the Panthers and Texans do at quarterback first. Indianapolis had director of scouting Morocco Brown in attendance, a shift from area scout Mike Lacy, who handled C.J. Stroud's and Will Levis' pro day since those were within driving distance to Indianapolis.


A job interview invites something metaphysically different than a kid launching a football into a steel white beam, like Richardson did Friday because he saw Levis do it on TV and wanted to try it, too. His smile belied both the calm and the wonder.

Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson started just 13 games in college before becoming one of the top fascinations in this year's NFL Draft.
"Lord knows what my ceiling is and what it's going to be," he said.

That, in a nutshell, is the Richardson experience. Nobody knows where this ship is going to end up, just that it's about to take off.

But a kid from Gainesville can still smile from the launch pad. That's what he did in the moments after he heaved those 50-some passes into the sky. Teenagers and college students approached in small groups for photos with the latest wonderkid draft prospect, and Richardson smiled as the cameras clicked, the shutters capturing the beginning of a journey with not a care in the world about the end.


Dam8610 03-31-2023 12:12 PM

He needs 2 years to sit, and I don't know if Steichen is at the level of Andy Reid for developing a raw talent like him.

Oldcolt 03-31-2023 03:08 PM

How in the hell do you know this? I didn’t want an answer. It is rhetorical, you don’t

Dam8610 03-31-2023 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 262896)
How in the hell do you know this? I didn’t want an answer. It is rhetorical, you don’t

I specifically said I don't know that Stiechen is on Andy Reid's level to develop a QB like Richardson. I read a few articles on the process Reid used to develop Mahomes, it was very intentional that he sat the first year, they recognized he was far away from being ready to start an NFL game when they drafted him, and that just throwing him in the fire could have completely shattered his confidence. Patrick Mahomes as a draft prospect was far ahead of Anthony Richardson in terms of being ready to start an NFL game, that's why I think at least 2 years would be ideal for him. Honestly, a draft and stash strategy where they draft Richardson, bring in Lamar Jackson and make it clear that they're going to run a more run heavy style of offense going forward might be the best way to go. Giving Richardson an Aaron Rodgers style start to his career would be even better, and if you sign Lamar to a 5 year deal and guarantee the first 4, the Ravens are unlikely to match, and then you have a true mentor for the kid who will fully take the pressure off of him to start for the first several years of his career.

IMO doing that or trading up to 1 are basically the only real competitive strategies to move forward.

JAFF 03-31-2023 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262886)
He needs 2 years to sit, and I don't know if Steichen is at the level of Andy Reid for developing a raw talent like him.

If he cant find the field in the beginning of his sophomore season, then he cant be the choice. To get only 3 years of a 5 year deal(?) where he is on the field is nuts. Al he will be asked to do is work on football full time with other pro football players and coaches. First round players need to play to get better, he wont learn anything from the sideline.

Best way to learn how to do anything is by doing it. If this new HC is as good as advertised, he should be able to build packages of plays that progressively build up his knowledge base. Oh, and commit to the RUNNING game. Double tight, double wide, single back (Taylor) and punch the other team in the mouth.

Lov2fish 03-31-2023 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262898)
I specifically said I don't know that Stiechen is on Andy Reid's level to develop a QB like Richardson. I read a few articles on the process Reid used to develop Mahomes, it was very intentional that he sat the first year, they recognized he was far away from being ready to start an NFL game when they drafted him, and that just throwing him in the fire could have completely shattered his confidence. Patrick Mahomes as a draft prospect was far ahead of Anthony Richardson in terms of being ready to start an NFL game, that's why I think at least 2 years would be ideal for him. Honestly, a draft and stash strategy where they draft Richardson, bring in Lamar Jackson and make it clear that they're going to run a more run heavy style of offense going forward might be the best way to go. Giving Richardson an Aaron Rodgers style start to his career would be even better, and if you sign Lamar to a 5 year deal and guarantee the first 4, the Ravens are unlikely to match, and then you have a true mentor for the kid who will fully take the pressure off of him to start for the first several years of his career.

IMO doing that or trading up to 1 are basically the only real competitive strategies to move forward.

Its astounding that all the teams who need good GM's have not scooped you up and gave you the keys to the franchise.

Colts And Orioles 03-31-2023 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 262896)



How in the hell do you know this ??? I didn’t want an answer. It is rhetorical, you don’t.




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Richardson specifically said that he needed 2 years to sit. He said that he didn't want to be rushed, and that he came out of college a year early in order to study the game by watching how a seasoned veteran operates from the bench. He is confident that he will be raring to go as a starting NFL quarterback in 2025.

No, I just made that up.

o

Dewey 5 03-31-2023 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 262908)
If he cant find the field in the beginning of his sophomore season, then he cant be the choice. To get only 3 years of a 5 year deal(?) where he is on the field is nuts. Al he will be asked to do is work on football full time with other pro football players and coaches. First round players need to play to get better, he wont learn anything from the sideline.

Best way to learn how to do anything is by doing it. If this new HC is as good as advertised, he should be able to build packages of plays that progressively build up his knowledge base. Oh, and commit to the RUNNING game. Double tight, double wide, single back (Taylor) and punch the other team in the mouth.

Packers are now doing exactly that with Jordan Love.

albany ed 03-31-2023 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 262913)
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Richardson specifically said that he needed 2 years to sit. He said that he didn't want to be rushed, and that he came out of college a year early in order to study the game by watching how a seasoned veteran operates from the bench. He is confident that he will be raring to go as a starting NFL quarterback in 2025.

No, I just made that up.

o

:D Before that last line, I was about to say, how the hell does Richardson know he needs 2 years, unless of course he checked with Dam first. ;)

Dam8610 03-31-2023 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 262908)
If he cant find the field in the beginning of his sophomore season, then he cant be the choice. To get only 3 years of a 5 year deal(?) where he is on the field is nuts. Al he will be asked to do is work on football full time with other pro football players and coaches. First round players need to play to get better, he wont learn anything from the sideline.

Best way to learn how to do anything is by doing it. If this new HC is as good as advertised, he should be able to build packages of plays that progressively build up his knowledge base. Oh, and commit to the RUNNING game. Double tight, double wide, single back (Taylor) and punch the other team in the mouth.

I guess you know more than Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, both of whom credit Mahomes's meteoric rise to the year he spent on the bench learning from the sidelines. But I'm sure you know more than the best QB developing coach and best QB in the NFL about how QBs develop.

Also, I'd rather have 3 years of elite play than 4 years of average play or 5 years of bad play. That's not to say those are guarantees, but the longer he sits, the more likely he is to be successful once he takes the field.

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262909)
Its astounding that all the teams who need good GM's have not scooped you up and gave you the keys to the franchise.

That's it guys, pack up the message board, turns out you can't have an opinion on football unless you're the GM of a team. Guess we should tell the Dane Bruglers, Brett Kollmans, and JT O'Sullivans of the world to shut down their outlets as well, they can't have an opinion on football because they're not GMs. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 262914)
Packers are now doing exactly that with Jordan Love.

This is the second time in a row the Packers are putting a QB in after having him sit for a significant length of time. It worked out really well for them with Rodgers. Love isn't as talented, so it might not work out as well this time.

Lov2fish 03-31-2023 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262917)
I guess you know more than Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, both of whom credit Mahomes's meteoric rise to the year he spent on the bench learning from the sidelines. But I'm sure you know more than the best QB developing coach and best QB in the NFL about how QBs develop.

Also, I'd rather have 3 years of elite play than 4 years of average play or 5 years of bad play. That's not to say those are guarantees, but the longer he sits, the more likely he is to be successful once he takes the field.



That's it guys, pack up the message board, turns out you can't have an opinion on football unless you're the GM of a team. Guess we should tell the Dane Bruglers, Brett Kollmans, and JT O'Sullivans of the world to shut down their outlets as well, they can't have an opinion on football because they're not GMs. :rolleyes:



This is the second time in a row the Packers are putting a QB in after having him sit for a significant length of time. It worked out really well for them with Rodgers. Love isn't as talented, so it might not work out as well this time.

Its sarcasm, not a dick don't take it so hard.

apballin 03-31-2023 10:01 PM

He don’t need 2 years… he’ll be starting by mid season. His running ability will mask alot if his deficiencies not to mention having JT to lean on

Ideally use his running ability and let him figure out the passing game as he grows

He’s dynamic… he’s nothing we’ve ever seen… I sure hope the Colts draft him

Butter 03-31-2023 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262898)
Patrick Mahomes as a draft prospect was far ahead of Anthony Richardson in terms of being ready to start an NFL game, that's why I think at least 2 years would be ideal for him. Honestly, a draft and stash strategy where they draft Richardson, bring in Lamar Jackson

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Just stomp the breaks right there, Lamar is not signing a contract that would make that possible.

Dam8610 03-31-2023 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262918)
Its sarcasm, not a dick don't take it so hard.

You claim to use sarcasm yet don't recognize it. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 262919)
He don’t need 2 years… he’ll be starting by mid season. His running ability will mask alot if his deficiencies not to mention having JT to lean on

Ideally use his running ability and let him figure out the passing game as he grows

He’s dynamic… he’s nothing we’ve ever seen… I sure hope the Colts draft him

That's a great way to be in the Top 5 with an injured former top 5 pick QB next year.

Brylok 04-01-2023 12:07 AM

Richardson stinks.

apballin 04-01-2023 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 262924)
Richardson stinks.

You basing this off his 13 college starts?

He’s 20 years old his potential is off the charts

Dam8610 04-01-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 262920)
Just stomp the breaks right there, Lamar is not signing a contract that would make that possible.

Spending $60 million per year on the QB position is going to be the norm in the NFL.

JAFF 04-01-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262918)
Its sarcasm, not a dick don't take it so hard.

Sheldon doesnt conceptualize sarcasim

JAFF 04-01-2023 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262928)
Spending $60 million per year on the QB position is going to be the norm in the NFL.

Sure it will, in 2032, but not in the next 3 years

JAFF 04-01-2023 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 262925)
You basing this off his 13 college starts?

He’s 20 years old his potential is off the charts

Yeah, with two possible direction
A. Multiple Super Bowls
B. Fails so spectacularly, Irsay now run the Kum and Go quick mart in Rapid City, SD

apballin 04-01-2023 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 262934)
Yeah, with two possible direction
A. Multiple Super Bowls
B. Fails so spectacularly, Irsay now run the Kum and Go quick mart in Rapid City, SD

Cmon part 2 of B is never gonna happen

I have no idea what they’re gonna do, but all these QBs seem overhyped based on the desperation. Hell I’m guilty of it myself, honestly Richardson had a few highlight plays last year and then came and put up times any athlete would be proud of but what he showed on the field doesn’t equate to the #4 pick. It’s Trubisky type shit. I just hope they’re not gonna act out of desperation.

Take all 4 of these guys and move them to the other guys teams in college and who would be successful in any situation?

What would Levis numbers have been on Ohio state last season?

Would Richardson, Young , or Stroud even have finished the season playing behind Kentuckys line?

I mean I hadn’t even considered the injuries because after the combine nobody seems to mention them but Richardson missed time in high school and college already due to injuries one including an injury he got from dancing in the team hotel.

Dam8610 04-01-2023 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262928)
Spending $60 million per year on the QB position is going to be the norm in the NFL.

The Colts spent over $50 million on the position in 2020.

Butter 04-01-2023 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262928)
Spending $60 million per year on the QB position is going to be the norm in the NFL.

He is not going to sign a contract that we get easy out of after 2 years, that was my point, more than the per year.

Oldcolt 04-02-2023 09:59 AM

I’m reading more and more that we like Levis. Smokescreen or is it possible that the scouting department knows more than Dam?

Lov2fish 04-02-2023 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 262955)
I’m reading more and more that we like Levis. Smokescreen or is it possible that the scouting department knows more than Dam?

Is that possible?

Dam8610 04-02-2023 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 262944)
He is not going to sign a contract that we get easy out of after 2 years, that was my point, more than the per year.

No, you take the Rodgers track at that point. Have Lamar for 4 years, cut him year 5, you learn if Richardson is your QBOTF on the fifth year option.

Dam8610 04-02-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 262955)
I’m reading more and more that we like Levis. Smokescreen or is it possible that the scouting department knows more than Dam?

I hope it's a smokescreen, I would honestly think Ballard & Co. would get Wentz flashbacks watching Levis's tape. Given the timing of it it makes sense for it to be a smokescreen.

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262959)
Is that possible?

Every NFL scouting department has a greater knowledge base on every draft class than any person that isn't in an NFL scouting department, a fact I've pointed out on several occasions. No one else gets to interview them or look at their medical records.

apballin 04-02-2023 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262971)
I hope it's a smokescreen, I would honestly think Ballard & Co. would get Wentz flashbacks watching Levis's tape. Given the timing of it it makes sense for it to be a smokescreen.



Every NFL scouting department has a greater knowledge base on every draft class than any person that isn't in an NFL scouting department, a fact I've pointed out on several occasions. No one else gets to interview them or look at their medical records.

I don’t think it’s a smoke screen and while I disagree with the Wentz comparison before the injury he was playing MVP ball and was the 2nd pick in the draft. No need to hide anything at this point Levis seems to be the 4th choice for most teams if a team trades up they’d probably be gambling on Richardson

Butter 04-02-2023 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262970)
No, you take the Rodgers track at that point. Have Lamar for 4 years, cut him year 5, you learn if Richardson is your QBOTF on the fifth year option.

I would fucking hope we wouldn't do that with the 4th pick, you take Lamarr you are building around him, too big an investment to be a long bridge, that is insane.

Dam8610 04-03-2023 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 262980)
I would fucking hope we wouldn't do that with the 4th pick, you take Lamarr you are building around him, too big an investment to be a long bridge, that is insane.

They play a similar style, whether you take Lamar or Richardson you're committing to building the same style of offense, so why not take both?

Butter 04-03-2023 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262982)
They play a similar style, whether you take Lamar or Richardson you're committing to building the same style of offense, so why not take both?

Because it would be stupid when that pick could be a stud player that helps the team win the next 4 years, rather than a QB with a high bust potential.

Dam8610 04-03-2023 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 262983)
Because it would be stupid when that pick could be a stud player that helps the team win the next 4 years, rather than a QB with a high bust potential.

Well they're not trading to 1, at least they've made no indication of doing so as of yet, so they've already committed to a QB with high bust potential unless they go with Anderson or Carter. But doing that without Lamar is a huge risk.

Oldcolt 04-03-2023 08:55 AM

Dam, you may be the only person on the planet that thinks drafting Richardson and then giving up a kings ransom in picks and money to Lamar is a sensible idea.

Dam8610 04-03-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 262990)
Dam, you may be the only person on the planet that thinks drafting Richardson and then giving up a kings ransom in picks and money to Lamar is a sensible idea.

Even if you gave up 2 1s (which is something that can be negotiated), if they're 1s that come after signing Lamar, you can reasonably assume those picks will be in the 20s and therefore much less valuable than, for example, the 4th overall pick this year. That's not even taking into consideration that a deal can be negotiated outside of the franchise tag rules.

What bringing in both Lamar and Richardson does is create a very long contention window. Irsay keeps talking about wanting to win 2 Super Bowls in the next decade, the best way to have a shot at that is to completely shore up the QB position.

JAFF 04-03-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262984)
Well they're not trading to 1, at least they've made no indication of doing so as of yet, so they've already committed to a QB with high bust potential unless they go with Anderson or Carter. But doing that without Lamar is a huge risk.

No. Hell no

Colts And Orioles 04-03-2023 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 262990)



Dam, you may be the only person on the planet that thinks drafting Richardson and then giving up a kings ransom in picks and money to Lamar is a sensible idea.




o


Believe it or not, I have seen crazier things happen (but please don't ask me to cite them.)

The Colts' offensive line was one of the best in the NFL in 2020, still pretty solid in 2021, and one of the worst in the NFL in 2022 ...... but they did show signs of modest improvement late in the 2022 season when Bernhard Raimann was inserted as a starter and Matt Pryor was benched.

If the Colts can somehow get the offensive line back to its 2020 form (and I concede, that would be a VERY BIG "If"), then Lamar Jackson playing well behind it and leading the Colts to several playoff appearances in 2023 and beyond wouldn't be so far-fetched ....... as disastrous as the 2022 season was overall, the Colts still beat the Chiefs and barely lost to the Eagles by one point when they rallied in the final seconds of the 4th quarter. Somewhere inside of what was the mess of a 2022 season is a team capable of holding its own against the 2 teams that made it to the Super Bowl.

And if all of that came to fruition while Richardson was on the bench behind Lamar for 2 or 3 seasons, Dam wouldn't look so crazy after all ....... however, the fact that Jim Irsay made it pretty clear that the Colts probably wouldn't be willing to ante-up for Jackson in the first place makes all of that moot.

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IndyNorm 04-03-2023 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 262990)
Dam, you may be the only person on the planet that thinks drafting Richardson and then giving up a kings ransom in picks and money to Lamar is a sensible idea.

I think Dam's obsession with Stroud and his butt hurt over Ballard not trading up to #1 overall has finally pushed his head over the ledge.

IndyNorm 04-03-2023 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262984)
Well they're not trading to 1, at least they've made no indication of doing so as of yet, so they've already committed to a QB with high bust potential unless they go with Anderson or Carter. But doing that without Lamar is a huge risk.

No way should we draft Carter at #4 overall. Dude's a complete dumpster fire.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...uggles-pro-day

Dam8610 04-03-2023 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 263006)
No. Hell no

No to what? This makes no sense in context of the post you quoted.

smitty46953 04-03-2023 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263021)
No to what? This makes no sense in context of the post you quoted.

Probably referring to Carter, my guess?


They said on NFL Network Radio today that Jalen Carter has told teams outside of the top 10 in draft order, that he will not go for top 30 visits.

This kid just keeps digging a hole for himself? Seems to be one every year who shoots themselves in the foot.

As for Carter, I don't want him. Diva? Locker room cancer? Don't take that gamble !!! :cool:


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