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JAFF 03-21-2023 10:29 PM

Pete Prisco mock draft 1.0
 
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-trading-down/

Have fun

Dam8610 03-21-2023 11:01 PM

That would make me disinterested in football for at least 2023, probably well beyond.

IndyNorm 03-21-2023 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262264)
That would make me disinterested in football for at least 2023, probably well beyond.

I think we all know now who we absolutely want the Colts draft!!!

Dam8610 03-21-2023 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 262267)
I think we all know now who we absolutely want the Colts draft!!!

It's more the combination. The Texans getting Stroud and the Colts getting Levis is about the worst possible long term outcome.

IndyNorm 03-22-2023 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262268)
It's more the combination. The Texans getting Stroud and the Colts getting Levis is about the worst possible long term outcome.

Noted. What if the Panthers go w/ Stroud, Texans Young, and Colts Levis? Will you give up then too, or do we strictly have to pull for Stroud to the Texans and Levis to the Colts?

Dam8610 03-22-2023 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 262269)
Noted. What if the Panthers go w/ Stroud, Texans Young, and Colts Levis? Will you give up then too, or do we strictly have to pull for Stroud to the Texans and Levis to the Colts?

I don't understand why you would want a decade plus of second to fourth place finishes either way. Bryce Young's size is at least a limitation to his growth potential, and while I wouldn't/hopefully won't be happy with him as the Texans starter, that's nowhere near as bad as the Texans getting CJ Stroud. As for the Colts, the best thing that can come of a Will Levis draft pick in my opinion is a high likelihood of being close enough to the #1 pick in the 2024 draft that if Caleb Williams and Drake Maye pan out as advertised, the Colts would have a shot at one of them. The problem with that is that the front office might be too stubborn at that point, decide to stick with Levis, and we're looking at another decade plus of futility while the Texans build something similar to the 2000s Colts.

apballin 03-22-2023 10:16 AM

JMV is standing on his rumor that they like Levis

Brylok 03-22-2023 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 262281)
JMV is standing on his rumor that they like Levis

I think it's definitely going to be Levis. His bicep tattoo will play big in Indiana, too.

YDFL Commish 03-22-2023 11:04 AM

I believe that Prisco has it right and that is how it will play out for the first 4 picks.

When Irsay said "that Alabama kid sure looks good" at the Steichen presser, it got Reich to over thinking things and convince Carolina to move up to #1 to ensure that they get Young.

Also the signing of Minshew is a clear indication that the Colts are taking a developmental QB, which leaves Levis or Richardson.

Chromeburn 03-22-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262272)
I don't understand why you would want a decade plus of second to fourth place finishes either way. Bryce Young's size is at least a limitation to his growth potential, and while I wouldn't/hopefully won't be happy with him as the Texans starter, that's nowhere near as bad as the Texans getting CJ Stroud. As for the Colts, the best thing that can come of a Will Levis draft pick in my opinion is a high likelihood of being close enough to the #1 pick in the 2024 draft that if Caleb Williams and Drake Maye pan out as advertised, the Colts would have a shot at one of them. The problem with that is that the front office might be too stubborn at that point, decide to stick with Levis, and we're looking at another decade plus of futility while the Texans build something similar to the 2000s Colts.

Carolina is probably picking Stroud. But rumors are that some of the panthers top people are enamored with Richardson’s potential. I don’t see Stroud going to Houston. I think there is bad blood there since he has the same agent as Watson.

Hoopsdoc 03-22-2023 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 262267)
I think we all know now who we absolutely want the Colts draft!!!

The more Dam hates it, the more I’m convinced it’s actually a good idea.

Dam8610 03-22-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 262289)
Carolina is probably picking Stroud. But rumors are that some of the panthers top people are enamored with Richardson’s potential. I don’t see Stroud going to Houston. I think there is bad blood there since he has the same agent as Watson.

Richardson Young would be the best possible 1-2 sequence for the Colts if they don't trade up to 1. If they are stuck at 4, Stroud is gone, and they insist on taking a QB, at least Richardson has a long term, Mahomes type development path that could work out. Levis is a project on the same level as Richardson, both should sit for at least a year and have their mechanics rebuilt, but teams are going to feel pressured to put them on the field. I don't like Levis's mechanical flaw, either, and they failed to fix it with Wentz. I know that was a different coaching staff, but I don't care if Levis has more talent than any QB in NFL history, if he doesn't learn to throw right, he won't be successful in the NFL.

Dewey 5 03-22-2023 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262294)
Richardson Young would be the best possible 1-2 sequence for the Colts if they don't trade up to 1. If they are stuck at 4, Stroud is gone, and they insist on taking a QB, at least Richardson has a long term, Mahomes type development path that could work out. Levis is a project on the same level as Richardson, both should sit for at least a year and have their mechanics rebuilt, but teams are going to feel pressured to put them on the field. I don't like Levis's mechanical flaw, either, and they failed to fix it with Wentz. I know that was a different coaching staff, but I don't care if Levis has more talent than any QB in NFL history, if he doesn't learn to throw right, he won't be successful in the NFL.

Ballard isn’t trading up to 1 & I highly doubt he even trades up to 3. So if he takes a qb it will be either Richardson or Levis.

njcoltfan 03-22-2023 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 262298)
Ballard isn’t trading up to 1 & I highly doubt he even trades up to 3. So if he takes a qb it will be either Richardson or Levis.

What happened to "we'll do whatever it takes to get our guy"? I guess Carolina happened, Teppers balls were/are bigger than Ballards !!

apballin 03-22-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 262308)
What happened to "we'll do whatever it takes to get our guy"? I guess Carolina happened, Teppers balls were/are bigger than Ballards !!

They don’t really like any of them so they’re just gonna settle

Brylok 03-22-2023 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 262309)
They don’t really like any of them so they’re just gonna settle

Sounds like me, but I'm just a fan.

Hoopsdoc 03-22-2023 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 262298)
Ballard isn’t trading up to 1 & I highly doubt he even trades up to 3. So if he takes a qb it will be either Richardson or Levis.

Colts have zero chance of moving up to 1 or 2.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

Neither Carolina or Houston is trading back with a team they know is taking a quarterback.

That makes zero sense.

CletusPyle 03-22-2023 05:16 PM

I like that mock draft personally!:D

apballin 03-22-2023 06:34 PM

I will say while JMV is very plugged in I recall him saying numerous times he heard there was “ZERO chance” colts were signing Phillip Rivers so he’s been off

I think they don’t even know what they wanna do. As far as I’m concerned Richardson just fits as a Colt to me. Levi’s and Richardson are both raw Levi’s seems more like the safe all American pick and he’s a little older but Richardsons speed makes the difference for me. He’s younger but who cares watching his highlights a lot of Floridas plays look just like the Eagles last season. So the thought of a bigger faster Hurts I’d definitely rather risk it going for Richardson

IndyNorm 03-22-2023 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 262272)
I don't understand why you would want a decade plus of second to fourth place finishes either way. Bryce Young's size is at least a limitation to his growth potential, and while I wouldn't/hopefully won't be happy with him as the Texans starter, that's nowhere near as bad as the Texans getting CJ Stroud. As for the Colts, the best thing that can come of a Will Levis draft pick in my opinion is a high likelihood of being close enough to the #1 pick in the 2024 draft that if Caleb Williams and Drake Maye pan out as advertised, the Colts would have a shot at one of them. The problem with that is that the front office might be too stubborn at that point, decide to stick with Levis, and we're looking at another decade plus of futility while the Texans build something similar to the 2000s Colts.

Ok, so you'll only really lose interest in the Colts if Stroud ends up in Houston, not Young?

What about from our end? Does it have to be Levis, or will you lose interest as well if they get Stroud and we draft Richardson?

IndyNorm 03-22-2023 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 262290)
The more Dam hates it, the more I’m convinced it’s actually a good idea.

I hope for his sake that we draft Levis and he ends up being as big of a bust as Trevor Lawrence is :D

omahacolt 03-22-2023 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 262290)
The more Dam hates it, the more I’m convinced it’s actually a good idea.

yeah


i am almost to the point that i want the exact opposite of what dam wants. but i want to take the flyer on richardson

Dam8610 03-22-2023 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 262333)
I hope for his sake that we draft Levis and he ends up being as big of a bust as Trevor Lawrence is :D

Interesting how on a Colts message board several professed Colts fans seem to want the Jaguars starting QB to be a superstar and are buying into it fully after a half season of smoke and mirrors. Won't it be so great if Trevor Lawrence is the real deal? Then you can tell me how wrong I was while the Colts battle for third place in the AFC South every year for the next decade.

Good thing it was a smoke and mirrors show and a weak division that put the Jaguars in the playoffs. And the 4 INTs and 27-0 deficit in his first playoff game? That doesn't matter because ZOMG HE WON (with several massive assists from the referees), right?

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 262341)
yeah


i am almost to the point that i want the exact opposite of what dam wants. but i want to take the flyer on richardson

Yeah, seems like most of the posters here seem to want a decade long run of AFC South dominance by the Jaguars and Texans. I'd rather the Colts return to their rightful place atop the AFC South, but that doesn't seem to be a popular thought around here recently.

HoosierinFL 03-23-2023 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 262284)
I think it's definitely going to be Levis. His bicep tattoo will play big in Indiana, too.

Maybe if we're lucky, it plays big for Reich as well, and that's who he's pushing for in the #1 pick.

rcubed 03-23-2023 12:13 PM

I heard on the DP show that the panthers sent a huge contingent to OSU proday, including the owner and a lot of front office people. Maybe points to them wanting stroud.

Makes me think if stroud and young go 1-2, we go anderson at 4 then hooker later, which might be what ballard really wants. If he isnt super-sold on any of the QBs and the consensus top two are off the board, then it gives him a built-in excuse to not take a QB at 4

apballin 03-23-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 262380)
I heard on the DP show that the panthers sent a huge contingent to OSU proday, including the owner and a lot of front office people. Maybe points to them wanting stroud.

Makes me think if stroud and young go 1-2, we go anderson at 4 then hooker later, which might be what ballard really wants. If he isnt super-sold on any of the QBs and the consensus top two are off the board, then it gives him a built-in excuse to not take a QB at 4

Fuck that, there’s no way you pass on Richardson or Levi’s to get Hooker later

Have to get a QB at 4 that’s it end of fuckin story

Discflinger 03-24-2023 07:20 AM

I don’t think so. Especially knowing that we don’t know shit.

rcubed 03-24-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 262414)
Fuck that, there’s no way you pass on Richardson or Levi’s to get Hooker later

Have to get a QB at 4 that’s it end of fuckin story

sure, but it would be a very ballard thing to do to not take a QB at 4. it will be interesting to see come draft day!

apballin 03-24-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 262438)
sure, but it would be a very ballard thing to do to not take a QB at 4. it will be interesting to see come draft day!

Agree I just want to see who our qb is gonna be

JAFF 03-24-2023 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 262432)
I don’t think so. Especially knowing that we don’t know shit.

Welcome to the internet

Lov2fish 03-25-2023 01:12 PM

Levis pro day. A lot of attention to his footwork. As usual none of the shit Dam speaks of shows up here. His unwavering love affair for Stroud is a little unnerving.
Levis throwing across his body on the run, and being accurate is something I didn't see in some of his videos I have watched, until this one. Dude is very accurate on the run in awkward throwing positions. One thing that stands out? Dude has a fucking lightening quick release. When the ball reaches the apex of height before release and he cuts it loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFaJY-Sh4Y

apballin 03-25-2023 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262494)
Levis pro day. A lot of attention to his footwork. As usual none of the shit Dam speaks of shows up here. His unwavering love affair for Stroud is a little unnerving.
Levis throwing across his body on the run, and being accurate is something I didn't see in some of his videos I have watched, until this one. Dude is very accurate on the run in awkward throwing positions. One thing that stands out? Dude has a fucking lightening quick release. When the ball reaches the apex of height before release and he cuts it loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFaJY-Sh4Y

His quick release is impressive and how he doesn’t have to load up to throw

CletusPyle 03-25-2023 02:14 PM

I saw the highlights of his pro day and was very impressed...maybe the Colts seeming lack of interest is just a rouse to disguise their true intentions. I have liked Levis from the beginning and will be ecstatic if that is who we end up drafting!

ChaosTheory 03-25-2023 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262494)
Levis pro day. A lot of attention to his footwork. As usual none of the shit Dam speaks of shows up here. His unwavering love affair for Stroud is a little unnerving.
Levis throwing across his body on the run, and being accurate is something I didn't see in some of his videos I have watched, until this one. Dude is very accurate on the run in awkward throwing positions. One thing that stands out? Dude has a fucking lightening quick release. When the ball reaches the apex of height before release and he cuts it loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFaJY-Sh4Y

I'll be devil's advocate and split hairs. Kind of have to, he's throwing against air.

What do you think of his placement and touch? His velocity is obviously great. Throws like 0:53 or the wheel routes at 4:09 (right) and 4:32 (left) where the receivers have to stop their momentum, contort for the ball, and end up spinning their bodies the opposite direction. A few others where they at least have to slow up for the ball or the ball is a little high.

The throw at 3:07 is simultaneously impressive for getting it to his guy on that kind of platform and also concerning because if he set himself up better, that receiver doesn't have to slow down and basket catch it near his knees. That's a tough completion against an NFL DB.

Again, splitting hairs... but it is against air and we are talking about a premium draft pick.

Dam8610 03-25-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262494)
Levis pro day. A lot of attention to his footwork. As usual none of the shit Dam speaks of shows up here. His unwavering love affair for Stroud is a little unnerving.
Levis throwing across his body on the run, and being accurate is something I didn't see in some of his videos I have watched, until this one. Dude is very accurate on the run in awkward throwing positions. One thing that stands out? Dude has a fucking lightening quick release. When the ball reaches the apex of height before release and he cuts it loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFaJY-Sh4Y

It literally happens on 50% or more of the throws. Watch his front foot when he plants it to throw, specifically where his toes are pointing in relation to where he is throwing the ball. About the only time his foot points in the correct direction is when he completely turns his body to throw the ball in the other direction. His toes on his front foot should be pointing in the direction of the throw when he throws the ball. They almost never are, the exception being when the entire body turns to make a throw.

Dam8610 03-25-2023 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 262499)
I'll be devil's advocate and split hairs. Kind of have to, he's throwing against air.

What do you think of his placement and touch? His velocity is obviously great. Throws like 0:53 or the wheel routes at 4:09 (right) and 4:32 (left) where the receivers have to stop their momentum, contort for the ball, and end up spinning their bodies the opposite direction. A few others where they at least have to slow up for the ball or the ball is a little high.

The throw at 3:07 is simultaneously impressive for getting it to his guy on that kind of platform and also concerning because if he set himself up better, that receiver doesn't have to slow down and basket catch it near his knees. That's a tough completion against an NFL DB.

Again, splitting hairs... but it is against air and we are talking about a premium draft pick.

These are exactly the kind of accuracy issues that are caused by his mechanical flaw.

If you don't believe what I'm talking about exists, grab a football, step into a throw, and point your foot in the opposite direction of the throw before throwing the ball. It's the best way to learn why it's a problem.

Dam8610 03-25-2023 03:03 PM

Throw at 3:10 illustrates my point perfectly. His body is contorted so badly he has to hop to avoid injuring himself.

apballin 03-25-2023 03:54 PM

The only thing that bothered me was how he spins the ball in his hand constantly I don’t know if that was a pro day thing or something he normally does but that shits gotta stop

YDFL Commish 03-25-2023 04:15 PM

Watched his pro day. I was not super impressed with his accuracy. It has to improve.

That said, in watching his interviews and the interview with Mark Stoops, I believe that he can improve in that area. If Levis proves to be coachable and willing to work on every aspect of his game, then that makes him the anti-Wentz.

If the Colts pick Levis at #4, I would not be shocked and I can't say that I'll be terribly disappointed.

Lov2fish 03-25-2023 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 262499)
I'll be devil's advocate and split hairs. Kind of have to, he's throwing against air.

What do you think of his placement and touch? His velocity is obviously great. Throws like 0:53 or the wheel routes at 4:09 (right) and 4:32 (left) where the receivers have to stop their momentum, contort for the ball, and end up spinning their bodies the opposite direction. A few others where they at least have to slow up for the ball or the ball is a little high.

The throw at 3:07 is simultaneously impressive for getting it to his guy on that kind of platform and also concerning because if he set himself up better, that receiver doesn't have to slow down and basket catch it near his knees. That's a tough completion against an NFL DB.

Again, splitting hairs... but it is against air and we are talking about a premium draft pick.

I never said he didn't have flaws. I have said since day one I would not draft any of the four being touted in this years draft. I would trade back and gain capital. Ballard will pull the trigger on a QB though, you know he will after the past failed attempts at guys hanging onto their careers for to long.


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