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Brylok 01-23-2023 09:15 PM

Why Hasn't Jeff Saturday Resigned?
 
As I recall, when Jeff did his interview after he was hired out of the blue, he said that he might suck at this and if so, he'd say thanks for the opportunity and then go back to doing something else. Paraphrasing, but it's the same point. So...why is he still here? He went 1-7 and his team set NFL records for things you don't want to set NFL records for. Nothing against a Colts legend, but WTF? Honest question.

Hoopsdoc 01-23-2023 10:22 PM

If you watched his press conference, none of it was his fault.

HoosierinFL 01-23-2023 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 258753)
As I recall, when Jeff did his interview after he was hired out of the blue, he said that he might suck at this and if so, he'd say thanks for the opportunity and then go back to doing something else. Paraphrasing, but it's the same point. So...why is he still here? He went 1-7 and his team set NFL records for things you don't want to set NFL records for. Nothing against a Colts legend, but WTF? Honest question.

As an interim coach, his contract ended with the season, no need to resign.

apballin 01-23-2023 11:16 PM

Why is he even getting an interview is the real question

Brylok 01-24-2023 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 258757)
As an interim coach, his contract ended with the season, no need to resign.

The end of the Colts season, or the end of the NFL season? The NFL season ends February 13th. The Colts season ended over a week ago. It's all rather murky and raises questions. For me anyway.

Butter 01-24-2023 03:08 AM

This is such a stupid thread.

Oldcolt 01-24-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 258764)
This is such a stupid thread.

Not stupid enough for you to not get involved. And please let me know why this of all thing on this board is stupid. It seems like a logical question given what Saturday has said. Maybe not resigned but taken himself out of contention if you feel the need to nit pick.

njcoltfan 01-24-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 258774)
Not stupid enough for you to not get involved. And please let me know why this of all thing on this board is stupid. It seems like a logical question given what Saturday has said. Maybe not resigned but taken himself out of contention if you feel the need to nit pick.

He probably thinks he will be getting the HC gig !! I don't recall where I read this, but he supposedly is on the list for 2nd interviews, and so far he's the only one!! He might be the only one who would accept it.

JAFF 01-25-2023 08:47 AM

Saturday gets second interview
 
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...jeff-saturday/

Why is he still interviewing if he never resigned?


Inquiring minds want to know.

Brylok 01-25-2023 02:23 PM

"Here's the deal, man,'' Saturday said Wednesday during his first full-blown press conference. “None of us are promised a good job. I may be terrible at this and after eight games, I'll say, 'God bless you, I am no good. ''' Nov 9, 2022

I just want to know what happened to that. I think it's a fair question. I think it was JMV who said he's the Vegas odds-on favorite for the job yesterday at +150 at the time.

Colts And Orioles 01-25-2023 02:36 PM

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Saturday may or may not be a horrible head coach, but I don't think that anyone can know that for certain after 8 games. Bill Parcells was 3-12-1 in his first season coaching the Giants in 1983.

So for the time being, all we can do is patiently wait to see what Saturday says, and (more significantly) see what Jim Irsay says.

o

IndyNorm 01-25-2023 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 258863)
o


Saturday may or may not be a horrible head coach, but I don't think that anyone can know that for certain after 8 games. Bill Parcells was 3-12-1 in his first season coaching the Giants in 1983.

So for the time being, all we can do is patiently wait to see what Saturday says, and (more significantly) see what Jim Irsay says.

o

I'm just a little too young to remember Parcells' first year. Did his team get completely embarrassed multiple times, set an NFL record in futility, and give up at the end of the season like the Colts did under Saturday?

JAFF 01-25-2023 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258902)
I'm just a little too young to remember Parcells' first year. Did his team get completely embarrassed multiple times, set an NFL record in futility, and give up at the end of the season like the Colts did under Saturday?

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/nyg/1983.htm

Colts And Orioles 01-25-2023 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 258863)
o


Saturday may or may not be a horrible head coach, but I don't think that anyone can know that for certain after 8 games. Bill Parcells was 3-12-1 in his first season coaching the Giants in 1983.

So for the time being, all we can do is patiently wait to see what Saturday says, and (more significantly) see what Jim Irsay says.

o



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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258902)



I'm just a little too young to remember Parcells' first year. Did his team get completely embarrassed multiple times, set an NFL record in futility, and give up at the end of the season like the Colts did under Saturday?




o


They were awful.

They didn't have to give up, they got their asses kicked in almost every game that they played.

They were the antithesis of the team that won their division, the Washington Redskins. The Giants literally scored less than half of the points that the Redskins scored that year (the Giants scored 267 points, the Redskins scored 541 points.)

o

IndyNorm 01-25-2023 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 258912)
o


They were awful.

They didn't have to give up, they got their asses kicked in almost every game that they played.

They were the antithesis of the team that won their division, the Washington Redskins. The Giants literally scored less than half of the points that the Redskins scored that year (the Giants scored 267 points, the Redskins scored 541 points.)

o

Took a look at their schedule Jaff linked, and yeah they were bad. But I think the '22 Colts were worse. We won 1 more game (although also played 1 more game), but the '83 Giants had 3 fewer 20 point losses, worse loss was 21 points vs. 35 for us, and they didn't set any NFL blown lead records like the Colts did. Also, they're last 3 losses were by 4, 5, and 9 points vs. 17, 28, and 1 (to the 2nd worst team in the league). So it looks like they didn't actually give up at the end of season like the Colts' players did.

Colts And Orioles 01-25-2023 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258913)



Took a look at their schedule Jaff linked, and yeah they were bad. But I think the '22 were worse. We won 1 more game (although also played 1 more game), but the '83 Giants had 3 fewer 20 point losses, worse loss was 21 points vs. 35 for us, and they didn't set any NFL blown lead records like the Colts did. Also, they're last 3 losses were by 4, 5, and 9 points vs. 17, 28, and 1 (to the 2nd worst team in the league). So it looks like they didn't actually give up at the end of season like the Colts' players did.




o


You said that you were too young to remember the '83 Giants. And so you asked me, and I told you. I remember them, and watched all of their games here in New York State with my own lying eyes. They were awful, and anybody who advocated that the Giants were well on their way to a long and prosperous run with their new head coach when the season ended in December would have been viewed as somebody who needs some major psychiatric treatment.

o

IndyNorm 01-26-2023 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 258916)
o


You said that you were too young to remember the '83 Giants. And so you asked me, and I told you. I remember them, and watched all of their games here in New York State with my own lying eyes. They were awful, and anybody who advocated that the Giants were well on their way to a long and prosperous run with their new head coach when the season ended in December would have been viewed as somebody who needs some major psychiatric treatment.

o

Fair enough, and as always I appreciate your response and insight. I was just trying to make the point that it looks and sounds like the '83 Giants were a really bad team whereas the '22 Colts were also a really bad team who also gave up under Saturday. Which IMO should make Saturday not qualified to be our head coach going forward.

Discflinger 01-26-2023 01:38 AM

Which one of you guys started the petition. Shawn Ward, show yourself.

ChoppedWood 01-26-2023 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258918)
Fair enough, and as always I appreciate your response and insight. I was just trying to make the point that it looks and sounds like the '83 Giants were a really bad team whereas the '22 Colts were also a really bad team who also gave up under Saturday. Which IMO should make Saturday not qualified to be our head coach going forward.

My conviction is that is exactly WHY he will be the coach. I am convinced they set about with a plan to suck and suck bad.

JAFF 01-26-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 258918)
Fair enough, and as always I appreciate your response and insight. I was just trying to make the point that it looks and sounds like the '83 Giants were a really bad team whereas the '22 Colts were also a really bad team who also gave up under Saturday. Which IMO should make Saturday not qualified to be our head coach going forward.


Daniel Jones FA. He looked good against the Colts.

Any one who was getting paid and quit on the team should get cut. No coach is going to turn those people around.

YDFL Commish 01-26-2023 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 258863)
o


Saturday may or may not be a horrible head coach, but I don't think that anyone can know that for certain after 8 games. Bill Parcells was 3-12-1 in his first season coaching the Giants in 1983.

So for the time being, all we can do is patiently wait to see what Saturday says, and (more significantly) see what Jim Irsay says.

o

I think I can give you a better example. Tom Landry didn't win a game with the Cowboys until their 15th game, spanning 2 seasons. He also did not have a winning season or take the team to the playoffs until his 7th season as HC, 1966.

Obviously no owner is going to be that patient today. But 7 years seems like an awful lot of time to learn on the job.

Racehorse 01-26-2023 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 258930)
I think I can give you a better example. Tom Landry didn't win a game with the Cowboys until their 15th game, spanning 2 seasons. He also did not have a winning season or take the team to the playoffs until his 7th season as HC, 1966.

Obviously no owner is going to be that patient today. But 7 years seems like an awful lot of time to learn on the job.

Let me add that I have always hated the Cowgirls, but Landry was a class act. Jones fired him, so I don’t like him, either.

Colts And Orioles 01-26-2023 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 258863)
o


Saturday may or may not be a horrible head coach, but I don't think that anyone can know that for certain after 8 games. Bill Parcells was 3-12-1 in his first season coaching the Giants in 1983.

So for the time being, all we can do is patiently wait to see what Saturday says, and (more significantly) see what Jim Irsay says.

o


Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 258930)



I think I can give you a better example. Tom Landry didn't win a game with the Cowboys until their 15th game, spanning 2 seasons. He also did not have a winning season or take the team to the playoffs until his 7th season as HC, 1966.

Obviously no owner is going to be that patient today. But 7 years seems like an awful lot of time to learn on the job.




o


Good example.

Also, Jimmy Johnson ...... the Cowboys were 1-15 in his first season as their head coach in 1989.

o

JAFF 01-26-2023 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 258940)
Let me add that I have always hated the Cowgirls, but Landry was a class act. Jones fired him, so I don’t like him, either.

Huge difference between now and the 1960’s, there was no free agency. John McCay from USC had three terrible years and finally made the playoffs around the time the NFL opened up free agency.

Oldcolt 01-26-2023 04:58 PM

I don't think you can count Landry. The Cowboys were a brand new team, most of the players were cast offs from the other franchises. Everyone knew they would be a horrible team. Quality old time coach. Hard ass from the get go. Their first draft choice, Bob Lilly, set the tone I didn't hate them at first. Took time.

Could say the same thing about McCay. People knew he could coach, he has cast offs for players.

Dewey 5 01-26-2023 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 258942)
o


Good example.

Also, Jimmy Johnson ...... the Cowboys were 1-15 in his first season as their head coach in 1989.

o

Then he fleeced the Vikings & the rest is history.

ChaosTheory 01-26-2023 10:06 PM

Brad Ausmus is a "finalist" for the GM job with the Houston Astros and there is a similar type of concern around here as there is with Jeff Saturday, albeit to a far lesser degree.

Ausmus spent 10 years playing for HOU, was on the '05 WS team, the owner likes him, etc. At least he's been an MLB manager, though. But guys are asking, "Would he be considered for any other GM job in the league outside of the place he played with the owner that he has a relationship with?".

I think you have to think that way about Saturday, obviously.

IndyNorm 01-26-2023 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 258927)
Daniel Jones FA. He looked good against the Colts.

Any one who was getting paid and quit on the team should get cut. No coach is going to turn those people around.

What QB doesn't look good against the Colts?

JAFF 01-27-2023 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 259010)
What QB doesn't look good against the Colts?

He moved well, and he was putting the ball on the numbers. He runs well, which he would need if he signed with the Colts

njcoltfan 01-27-2023 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 258856)
"Here's the deal, man,'' Saturday said Wednesday during his first full-blown press conference. “None of us are promised a good job. I may be terrible at this and after eight games, I'll say, 'God bless you, I am no good. ''' Nov 9, 2022

I just want to know what happened to that. I think it's a fair question. I think it was JMV who said he's the Vegas odds-on favorite for the job yesterday at +150 at the time.

If Saturday gets the HC gig, the Colts, and Irsay, will be officially crowned the court jesters of the NFL !! It would not surprise me if the top QB's in this years draft pull an Elway on them !!!!

Oldcolt 01-27-2023 06:47 PM

If Saturday was a real head coaching candidate then he would be interviewing somewhere other than here. It is a bummer, he was my favorite player during the Manning era.

Brylok 01-27-2023 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 259074)
If Saturday gets the HC gig, the Colts, and Irsay, will be officially crowned the court jesters of the NFL !! It would not surprise me if the top QB's in this years draft pull an Elway on them !!!!

I'm of three minds about Jeff Saturday:

1. Jim is really going to hire him as head coach. He's pissed at Ballard and the overall lack of success and is now in Al Davis (his hero) mode.

2. Jeff Saturday was used, whether he realized it or not, for the dual tasks of tanking for a better draft position, AND getting the Colts on the national radar again. Nobody on the national level was talking about the Colts...at all...until Saturday was hired. Any publicity is good publicity. Part of the conversation again.

3. The whole thing is a smoke screen that accomplishes two things: lower the overall expectations, AND condition fans to be happy with anyone else who's hired simply because "well, at least it isn't Jeff Saturday".

Of course, all of those things can be true. Or none of them. The only truth is that we suck and are in a bad way from top to bottom. I fear the worst, but what do I know?

IndyNorm 01-28-2023 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 259029)
He moved well, and he was putting the ball on the numbers. He runs well, which he would need if he signed with the Colts

He's a good athlete, no argument from me there. My point being that you shouldn't judge a QB based on their performance against the Colts, since every QB has one of if not their best game against us. In fact, I would say you should completely exclude his performance against the Colts this year since the Colts had given up by that point.

How he performed against his division rivals would be a much better gauge than how her performed against the Colts.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/game...2/daniel-jones

Colts And Orioles 01-28-2023 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 258969)



I don't think that you can count Landry. The Cowboys were a brand new team, most of the players were cast offs from the other franchises. Everyone knew they would be a horrible team. ) He was a quality, old-time coach. He was a hard-ass from the get-go. Their first draft choice, Bob Lilly, set the tome for the future of the franchise. I didn't hate them at first, it took time.

I could say the same thing about John McKay ...... people knew that he could coach, but he has cast-offs for players.




o


Good point about Landry ...... unlike Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson, Landry started with an expansion team in which everybody knew that they would be terrible for at least a few years.

o

JAFF 01-28-2023 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 259118)
He's a good athlete, no argument from me there. My point being that you shouldn't judge a QB based on their performance against the Colts, since every QB has one of if not their best game against us. In fact, I would say you should completely exclude his performance against the Colts this year since the Colts had given up by that point.

How he performed against his division rivals would be a much better gauge than how her performed against the Colts.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/game...2/daniel-jones

He is just an example. I dont play GM. If the Qb the Colts really want is off the board by their pick, they need to take best player available.

Brylok 01-29-2023 06:59 PM

Losing Sirianni was huge. He's going to the super bowl, and we're going further down the drain.

IndyNorm 01-30-2023 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 259126)
He is just an example. I dont play GM. If the Qb the Colts really want is off the board by their pick, they need to take best player available.

Or they should trade up to get the QB they want if possible.

Dam8610 01-30-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 259203)
Losing Sirianni was huge. He's going to the super bowl, and we're going further down the drain.

Sirianni must've stolen the lucky horseshoe on the way out. I don't think I've ever seen a luckier team than this Eagles team. Finally about to face a real test for the first time all season, they luck out with a Brock Purdy injury. By the way, anyone want to out themselves for calling me stupid for wanting Haason Reddick in free agency?

As for this whole "the Colts are doomed" narrative I keep seeing here, remember that the AFC champion lost to the Colts, and the NFC champion beat them by 1 in very lucky fashion. This team is a great QB and a not incompetent head coach away from contention. Basically, if they don't fuck up by removing the interim tag from Saturday, and they get the Bears to trade down to 4 from 1 and draft Stroud, this team could legitimately be in contention next season.

njcoltfan 01-30-2023 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 259273)
Sirianni must've stolen the lucky horseshoe on the way out. I don't think I've ever seen a luckier team than this Eagles team. Finally about to face a real test for the first time all season, they luck out with a Brock Purdy injury. By the way, anyone want to out themselves for calling me stupid for wanting Haason Reddick in free agency?

As for this whole "the Colts are doomed" narrative I keep seeing here, remember that the AFC champion lost to the Colts, and the NFC champion beat them by 1 in very lucky fashion. This team is a great QB and a not incompetent head coach away from contention. Basically, if they don't fuck up by removing the interim tag from Saturday, and they get the Bears to trade down to 4 from 1 and draft Stroud, this team could legitimately be in contention next season.

They also need a ton of OL help along with pass rushers !!!

Dam8610 01-30-2023 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 259302)
They also need a ton of OL help along with pass rushers !!!

The Chiefs rebuilt their entire interior OL in one offseason, no reason the Colts can't do the same. They have a solid plan in place for LT, LG, and RT, so it's just finding depth at OT and players who can start or challenge to start for C and RG.


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