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Hoopsdoc 12-26-2022 06:40 PM

Ballard will be back, strong possibility Saturday will as well.
 
Jim says Ballard will definitely be back, Jeff Saturday a “strong candidate” for full time head coach.

Sweet Jesus.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ely-be-our-gm/

JAFF 12-26-2022 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 255512)
Jim says Ballard will definitely be back, Jeff Saturday a “strong candidate” for full time head coach.

Sweet Jesus.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ely-be-our-gm/

Beat me to it. I hit post and there you were. Well done.

rcubed 12-26-2022 06:50 PM

I hope thats just talk from irsay, saving face or whatever. Get a real HC please, and a new long term option at QB. Stop dicking around

Dam8610 12-26-2022 07:31 PM

Glad to hear Ballard will be back, he gets his swing at a rookie QB. I don't know that I care who the head coach is, as long as they don't fuck up the rookie QB.

Chromeburn 12-26-2022 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 255527)
Glad to hear Ballard will be back, he gets his swing at a rookie QB. I don't know that I care who the head coach is, as long as they don't fuck up the rookie QB.

We will see about Saturday. The OC hire will be super important though. Needs someone who can work with a young QB and who won’t tske off after a year if they find success.

Puck 12-26-2022 08:20 PM

Everyone assumes the 1st pick will be a QB. I am not sold on any that we will have a chance at with the 1st pick. I think we can get one of the best players in the draft though.

Hoopsdoc 12-26-2022 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 255528)
We will see about Saturday. The OC hire will be super important though. Needs someone who can work with a young QB and who won’t tske off after a year if they find success.

I’ve kind of changed my mind on Saturday.

They need to find someone new, someone who has paid his dues, who has a network of relationships in the league.

A lot of coaches will leave for other teams after the season. Who is gonna want to come to Indy and work with Saturday, who has no coaching experience?

No one good, I’d wager.

ChaosTheory 12-26-2022 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 255531)
Everyone assumes the 1st pick will be a QB. I am not sold on any that we will have a chance at with the 1st pick. I think we can get one of the best players in the draft though.

I can't keep up with college as much I used to, so I don't familiarize with a lot of players until draft season. But from what I've seen and read about some of these QBs makes me worried about reaching in the 1st.

Obviously you can't win without a good QB. But in my opinion you're also fucking yourself up if you pass on a truly elite, top-5 caliber player and instead take a QB that ends up being Trubisky or Wentz, etc.

Chromeburn 12-26-2022 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 255531)
Everyone assumes the 1st pick will be a QB. I am not sold on any that we will have a chance at with the 1st pick. I think we can get one of the best players in the draft though.

Personally, I would rather have one of the QB's next year. But the fan base might go nuts if they don't draft a QB. They don't get that just because you need a QB doesn't mean there is one there for you to draft.

Chromeburn 12-26-2022 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 255532)
I’ve kind of changed my mind on Saturday.

They need to find someone new, someone who has paid his dues, who has a network of relationships in the league.

A lot of coaches will leave for other teams after the season. Who is gonna want to come to Indy and work with Saturday, who has no coaching experience?

No one good, I’d wager.

I don't care that much one way or another. I think he is actually a good motivator. I think he would hire good coordinators and stay out of their way. I get tired of the head coach treadmill. They all get hired and fired every few years and usually just comes down to whether they have a franchise QB or not. I will also say Saturday doesn't have an OC or an experienced playcaller. That is a huge liability.

I think Frank would have been a great coach for a young QB. But someone had to answer for the slow seasonal starts.

TheMugwump 12-26-2022 09:55 PM

Really hoping to hear Sean Payton's name in connection with the Indy job next year, and kind of disappointed I haven't yet.

Anyone else here feel the same?

Chromeburn 12-26-2022 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 255594)
Really hoping to hear Sean Payton's name in connection with the Indy job next year, and kind of disappointed I haven't yet.

Anyone else here feel the same?

Payton won't go to a team without a franchise QB

Spike 12-26-2022 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 255599)
Payton won't go to a team without a franchise QB

Among other things.

Puck 12-26-2022 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 255599)
Payton won't go to a team without a franchise QB

And we would have to compensate the Saints to have him. Not gonna happen

omahacolt 12-27-2022 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 255531)
Everyone assumes the 1st pick will be a QB. I am not sold on any that we will have a chance at with the 1st pick. I think we can get one of the best players in the draft though.

we will have one of the top 3 available. maybe top 2

BCN#1 12-27-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 255594)
Really hoping to hear Sean Payton's name in connection with the Indy job next year, and kind of disappointed I haven't yet.

Anyone else here feel the same?

I read that he wants Vic Fangio as his DC as part of the package and prefers the West Coast let alone Saints having rights on him.

Dam8610 12-27-2022 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 255594)
Really hoping to hear Sean Payton's name in connection with the Indy job next year, and kind of disappointed I haven't yet.

Anyone else here feel the same?

No thanks to overpaying a name who would have to defy NFL history to win a championship here (no head coach in NFL history has won a championship with two NFL franchises).

JAFF 12-27-2022 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 255696)
No thanks to overpaying a name who would have to defy NFL history to win a championship here (no head coach in NFL history has won a championship with two NFL franchises).

Records are made to be broken

Dam8610 12-27-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 255698)
Records are made to be broken

Let someone else break that record. I'd rather find the right head coach and QB to put together a nearly unbeatable team for the next 5+ years.

Lov2fish 12-27-2022 11:00 AM

I'm not anti Ballard, but he needs to build a complete team. Not an almost there mediocrity we have seen for the past 5 years. Since he left KC they have won their division 5 straight years, had all 12 win seasons and been to the Super-Bowl. I thought that was the reason we hired him?

ZionsvilleColtsFan 12-27-2022 11:19 AM

Sean Payton
 
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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 255594)
Really hoping to hear Sean Payton's name in connection with the Indy job next year, and kind of disappointed I haven't yet.

Anyone else here feel the same?

I'd like to see Sean come in as Head Coach and GM

ZionsvilleColtsFan 12-27-2022 11:22 AM

Ballard
 
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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255703)
I'm not anti Ballard, but he needs to build a complete team. Not an almost there mediocrity we have seen for the past 5 years. Since he left KC they have won their division 5 straight years, had all 12 win seasons and been to the Super-Bowl. I thought that was the reason we hired him?

Ballard is part of the problem - he needs to go also.

Dam8610 12-27-2022 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255703)
I'm not anti Ballard, but he needs to build a complete team. Not an almost there mediocrity we have seen for the past 5 years. Since he left KC they have won their division 5 straight years, had all 12 win seasons and been to the Super-Bowl. I thought that was the reason we hired him?

There's that guy who wears 15 and typically a cape that is the biggest reason for that. Ballard will finally get his shot at one of those this offseason.

Dewey 5 12-27-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 255594)
Really hoping to hear Sean Payton's name in connection with the Indy job next year, and kind of disappointed I haven't yet.

Anyone else here feel the same?

You won’t.

Colts And Orioles 12-27-2022 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 255512)



Jim says Ballard will definitely be back, Jeff Saturday a “strong candidate” for full time head coach.


Sweet Jesus.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ely-be-our-gm/




o


Good info, regardless of which side of the fence that one is on in regard to Ballard and/or Saturday.

o

Lov2fish 12-27-2022 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 255712)
There's that guy who wears 15 and typically a cape that is the biggest reason for that. Ballard will finally get his shot at one of those this offseason.

It was hap hazard sarcasm. #15 can't do it all. Stud yes, but still need pieces, and they have them in important positions. Us? Not so much. We have a talented roster, but missing a lot of pieces in key positions. He has an opportunity to correct 1 or 2 of those this coming April.

Dam8610 12-27-2022 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255730)
It was hap hazard sarcasm. #15 can't do it all. Stud yes, but still need pieces, and they have them in important positions. Us? Not so much. We have a talented roster, but missing a lot of pieces in key positions. He has an opportunity to correct 1 or 2 of those this coming April.

I know most here won't believe this, but most of the other pieces are in place. QB is so important, and the position has been such a black hole for the Colts this year, that the addition of a franchise QB would take this team from Top 5 pick to at a minimum high playoff seed.

Oldcolt 12-27-2022 03:39 PM

The biggest thing that needs fixing lies between the ears of our players in my opinion. Physically we are way way better than we play. It is a tough fix but it can be done. The biggest single physical problem is we absolutely must get a quarterback in the draft, even if it isn’t a perfect fit. Players can be developed, but it takes a whole organization working for the same thing. Ballard keeps waiting for the perfect QB, is he willing to roll the dice? Who knows. We need to have the football gods smile on us and get some luck.

Kray007 12-27-2022 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 255528)
We will see about Saturday. The OC hire will be super important though. Needs someone who can work with a young QB and who won’t tske off after a year if they find success.

Saturday might be fine. He’s not an offensive mastermind, but you don’t need to have that in a head coach, just as long as he knows how to motivate.

What they do need, though is an offensive coordinator who’s able to nurture and mold a young QB while bringing an element of innovation to the game plan.

albany ed 12-27-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 255707)
I'd like to see Sean come in as Head Coach and GM

If you were Sean (there must be 20 teams who want me as their coach) Payton, would you come here?

CletusPyle 12-27-2022 04:34 PM

There is going to be a lot of pressure applied to Irsay to hire a black head coach...of course if he can hire Harbaugh or Payton nobody can blame him for that, but if he hires Saturday over some of the black candidates available, the media will slam him big time. Personally, I just want the best available, and if it comes down to Saturday or DeMeco Ryans I have to believe DeMeco would be the better choice!

rcubed 12-27-2022 04:41 PM

I agree there will be pressure to hire black HC. However, I think that ryans might be a good choice regardless, if he can get a top flight OC to come.

omahacolt 12-27-2022 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 255743)
If you were Sean (there must be 20 teams who want me as their coach) Payton, would you come here?

no

Hoopsdoc 12-27-2022 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kray007 (Post 255738)
Saturday might be fine. He’s not an offensive mastermind, but you don’t need to have that in a head coach, just as long as he knows how to motivate.

What they do need, though is an offensive coordinator who’s able to nurture and mold a young QB while bringing an element of innovation to the game plan.

You know who was really good at getting a lot out of quarterbacks?

Frank Reich.

Lov2fish 12-27-2022 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 255756)
You know who was really good at getting a lot out of quarterbacks?

Frank Reich.

I wasn't on the fire Frank bandwagon. I was kinda neutral on it. If they kept him, good. If they fired him, good. I wasn't sure if were really that bad, or he had lost the team. I wouldn't have minded seeing what he could do with a stable QB room

Hoopsdoc 12-27-2022 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255763)
I wasn't on the fire Frank bandwagon. I was kinda neutral on it. If they kept him, good. If they fired him, good. I wasn't sure if were really that bad, or he had lost the team. I wouldn't have minded seeing what he could do with a stable QB room

Omaha and others keep saying “well, the team wasn’t responding to Frank anymore. He had to go”.

But they haven’t responded any better to Jeff Saturday. They’ve been just as bad.

Frank was never the problem and he should never have been fired.

The complete failure of the offensive line has been the problem all season. There was nothing Frank could really do about that.

He and Brady were scapegoated by Irsay.

YDFL Commish 12-27-2022 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 255767)
Omaha and others keep saying “well, the team wasn’t responding to Frank anymore. He had to go”.

But they haven’t responded any better to Jeff Saturday. They’ve been just as bad.

Frank was never the problem and he should never have been fired.

The complete failure of the offensive line has been the problem all season. There was nothing Frank could really do about that.

He and Brady were scapegoated by Irsay.

Frank was indeed part of the problem. Yes, the offense under Saturday has been worse. But, there is a reason for that. We are down 3 offensive coaches in Reich, Brady and the TE coach that just left. I also think that we miss Sirianni dearly.

Look, other than JT having a monster season last year, the offense under performed in all but 2 or 3 games last season. So maybe it was Sirianni who was the QB whisper and not Reich. Look what he's done with Jalen Hurts.

Anybody that thought that Saturday was going to come in here and turn this offense around is delusional to begin with. Of course it was going to get worse, it had to get worse.

Bottom line, whoever our next HC is, his selection of the next OC has to be a pivotal determining factor in whether or not he is the man for the job.

Hoopsdoc 12-27-2022 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 255769)
Frank was indeed part of the problem. Yes, the offense under Saturday has been worse. But, there is a reason for that. We are down 3 offensive coaches in Reich, Brady and the TE coach that just left. I also think that we miss Sirianni dearly.

Look, other than JT having a monster season last year, the offense under performed in all but 2 or 3 games last season. So maybe it was Sirianni who was the QB whisper and not Reich. Look what he's done with Jalen Hurts.

Anybody that thought that Saturday was going to come in here and turn this offense around is delusional to begin with. Of course it was going to get worse, it had to get worse.

Bottom line, whoever our next HC is, his selection of the next OC has to be a pivotal determining factor in whether or not he is the man for the job.

Lol, wut?

You can’t say Frank was the problem while simultaneously saying his leaving is part of what caused the problem. That doesn’t make any sense.

Frank and Brady were fired because the offensive line has been horrible all season. And it’s not solely because Matt Ryan is washed up either. They’re as bad at run blocking as they are at pass blocking.

Frank didn’t suddenly forget how to coach offense.


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