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ChaosTheory 11-20-2022 05:11 PM

Frank Reich Still the Problem?
 
16 points?

10-point 4th qtr collapse?

Less than 50 yards rushing after the first drive? Less than 200 yards passing?

Early down runs over and over?

Defense played fucking great but gets gassed by the end?


This was all Frank Reich stuff, right? Smartest guy in the room stuff?

ChoppedWood 11-20-2022 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 250979)
16 points?

10-point 4th qtr collapse?

Less than 50 yards rushing after the first drive? Less than 200 yards passing?

Early down runs over and over?

Lost the turnover battle?

Defense played fucking great but gets gassed by the end?


This was all Frank Reich stuff, right? Smartest guy in the room stuff?

Said in the game thread, late stages of this game looked exactly like the idiocy that was this team under Frank.

omahacolt 11-20-2022 05:15 PM

the team is the problem


reich was a good coach but this team was done with him

ChaosTheory 11-20-2022 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 250980)
Said in the game thread, late stages of this game looked exactly like the idiocy that was this team under Frank.

We looked the same as under Reich last week, too. Michael Pittman just happened to miraculously recover his own fumble.

Hoopsdoc 11-20-2022 05:18 PM

Some people predicted a temporary boost from Saturday but this is still the same badly flawed team.

Hoopsdoc 11-20-2022 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 250980)
Said in the game thread, late stages of this game looked exactly like the idiocy that was this team under Frank.

Of course it did because Frank wasn’t the problem.

Colts And Orioles 11-20-2022 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250983)



Some people predicted a temporary boost from Saturday, but this is still the same badly flawed team.




o


This is a flawed team, but I'm not sure that they are badly flawed.

2 weeks ago when the Eagles were undefeated and the Colts had just gotten absolutely steam-rolled by the Patriots, I believe that most Colts fans would have laughed if somebody had suggested that they would lead the Eagles by a score of 13-3 at the start of the 4th quarter, and that the Eagles would need a late rally to barely eke out a 17-16 win.

o

ChaosTheory 11-20-2022 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250993)
Of course it did because Frank wasn’t the problem.

Without watching the 22 tape, it just doesn't feel like we can stretch the field enough. Ryan is accurate and a pretty quick decision maker for the most part... but things always feel so clogged up. And receivers also seem to have to wait on the ball a noticeable amount even on medium stuff.

Hoopsdoc 11-20-2022 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 250999)
Without watching the 22 tape, it just doesn't feel like we can stretch the field enough. Ryan is accurate and a pretty quick decision maker for the most part... but things always feel so clogged up. And receivers also seem to have to wait on the ball a noticeable amount even on medium stuff.

The offensive line turned back into the pumpkin it’s been all season after a Cinderella performance against the awful Raiders. 4 sacks allowed and no room for JT.

Ryan isn’t ideal but he’s completely neutralized behind this offensive line.

ChaosTheory 11-20-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 251011)
The offensive line turned back into the pumpkin it’s been all season after a Cinderella performance against the awful Raiders. 4 sacks allowed and no room for JT.

Ryan isn’t ideal but he’s completely neutralized behind this offensive line.

You can live with Raimann going forward and maybe Fries, too, expecting growing pains. But our vet OL has not played up to standard this season. And we severely miss Jack Doyle and all the "boring" stuff he did so well in run and pass games (MAC is pretty invisible). By the way, we still don't seem to do much creative in the run design, particularly wide, which might loosen thing ups.

Ryan does a lot of stuff well. Still don't feel like we stretch the D out enough. Ryan apparently isn't confident going over the top and even the medium stuff has our WR's waiting on the ball a noticeable amount of time. I think that tightens things up, too, both pass and run game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems clogged all the time. And Reich's gameplanning doesn't seem to be the issue. It produced before and I wonder if we'll miss him when/if we get a young QB settled.

albany ed 11-20-2022 06:35 PM

Ryan's arm is no stronger than Ehlingers'. On the pass to Campbell setting up a 1st and goal at the 4, a bullet pass would have resulted in a TD.

With his 4.37 speed, why don't they have any pitchout run plays that have Taylor going wide? It's always up the gut and I believe the Eagles over played the middle run play.

Finally, I believe they did the wideout behind the LOS 3 or 4 times and it was never successful. I was telling my friend Andy, why not call that, and have Ryan pump fake it, then go deep to a WR running a cross pattern?

rm1369 11-20-2022 06:42 PM

This is simply a poorly constructed team. Best running back in the league and an immobile QB makes OL play even more critical. They gambled at LT and RG and lost. That has cost them another season. Hopefully Raimann develops.

Racehorse 11-20-2022 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 251026)
Ryan's arm is no stronger than Ehlingers'. On the pass to Campbell setting up a 1st and goal at the 4, a bullet pass would have resulted in a TD.

With his 4.37 speed, why don't they have any pitchout run plays that have Taylor going wide? It's always up the gut and I believe the Eagles over played the middle run play.

Finally, I believe they did the wideout behind the LOS 3 or 4 times and it was never successful. I was telling my friend Andy, why not call that, and have Ryan pump fake it, then go deep to a WR running a cross pattern?

Henry gets most of his big runs on pitches outside. Taylor is faster. We need to emulate that strategy with Taylor.

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 250979)
16 points?

10-point 4th qtr collapse?

Less than 50 yards rushing after the first drive? Less than 200 yards passing?

Early down runs over and over?

Defense played fucking great but gets gassed by the end?


This was all Frank Reich stuff, right? Smartest guy in the room stuff?

Ballard will always be the problem when team isn't winning in his tenure with the team...

omahacolt 11-20-2022 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtBlue (Post 251042)
Ballard will always be the problem when team isn't winning in his tenure with the team...

what?

omahacolt 11-20-2022 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251019)
You can live with Raimann going forward and maybe Fries, too, expecting growing pains. But our vet OL has not played up to standard this season. And we severely miss Jack Doyle and all the "boring" stuff he did so well in run and pass games (MAC is pretty invisible). By the way, we still don't seem to do much creative in the run design, particularly wide, which might loosen thing ups.

Ryan does a lot of stuff well. Still don't feel like we stretch the D out enough. Ryan apparently isn't confident going over the top and even the medium stuff has our WR's waiting on the ball a noticeable amount of time. I think that tightens things up, too, both pass and run game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems clogged all the time. And Reich's gameplanning doesn't seem to be the issue. It produced before and I wonder if we'll miss him when/if we get a young QB settled.

nelson and kelly are a fucking problem

want to know whats wrong with the team? start there. if not their play, their leadership. if you want to call it that

JAFF 11-20-2022 07:16 PM

The Colts played one of the best teams to a standstill for 50 minutes. I would like to see more aggressive offensive play calling. Why not? Go for it, rest of the season.

ChaosTheory 11-20-2022 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 251026)
Ryan's arm is no stronger than Ehlingers'. On the pass to Campbell setting up a 1st and goal at the 4, a bullet pass would have resulted in a TD.

With his 4.37 speed, why don't they have any pitchout run plays that have Taylor going wide? It's always up the gut and I believe the Eagles over played the middle run play.

Finally, I believe they did the wideout behind the LOS 3 or 4 times and it was never successful. I was telling my friend Andy, why not call that, and have Ryan pump fake it, then go deep to a WR running a cross pattern?

Agree on the outside runs. They used the Eagles' aggression on the screens for a deeper throw once that I recall. Pittman faked the pick, they all jumped pump fake to Campbell, and Pittman was open for a 15 yard throw. One of those throws that seemed to lack zip and he kind of got hung out and took an immediate big shot to the ribs. Luckily he's a big dude.


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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 251029)
This is simply a poorly constructed team. Best running back in the league and an immobile QB makes OL play even more critical. They gambled at LT and RG and lost. That has cost them another season. Hopefully Raimann develops.

You clamor to get rid of Ballard the same way guys clamored to get rid of Reich.

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251019)
You can live with Raimann going forward and maybe Fries, too, expecting growing pains. But our vet OL has not played up to standard this season. And we severely miss Jack Doyle and all the "boring" stuff he did so well in run and pass games (MAC is pretty invisible). By the way, we still don't seem to do much creative in the run design, particularly wide, which might loosen thing ups.

Ryan does a lot of stuff well. Still don't feel like we stretch the D out enough. Ryan apparently isn't confident going over the top and even the medium stuff has our WR's waiting on the ball a noticeable amount of time. I think that tightens things up, too, both pass and run game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems clogged all the time. And Reich's gameplanning doesn't seem to be the issue. It produced before and I wonder if we'll miss him when/if we get a young QB settled.

In bold, I've been saying it. Ballard didn't help depth chart on both sides of the ball. He didn't replace one of the best blocking TEs in the game.

He didn't do good at replacing Glowinksi or Reed..

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 251043)
what?

Long is Ballard is with team. We will go no where.. Yeah I'm drinking and see the problem.. lol

ChaosTheory 11-20-2022 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtBlue (Post 251048)
In bold, I've been saying it. Ballard didn't help depth chart on both sides of the ball. He didn't replace one of the best blocking TEs in the game.

He didn't do good at replacing Glowinksi or Reed..

You don't just go out in one off-season and replace "one of the best" of any skill at any position in the NFL. I'm assuming you don't have a specific player in mind that he failed to go get.

And Glowinski and Reed were not fucking Pro-Bowlers. RG has always been the weakest point of our OL since 2018. This is coming from a guy who questioned letting both guys go way back when it happened. But letting that caliber of player(s) go does not explain the collapse of this OL from Top 3 to where they are now. Nobody understands this OL.

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 251043)
what?

Irsay lets poor Brady get fired and he got pay for just being on the roster.

Poor guy never called a NFL game in his life and Frank hired him cause Frank knew he was going to call plays no matter what.

Irsay comes out and says Frank and Ballards jobs are safe. Fires Frank, now who is safe besides Irsay??? Lmao

Back to the clown show...:D

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251051)
You don't just go out in one off-season and replace "one of the best" of any skill at any position in the NFL. I'm assuming you don't have a specific player in mind that he failed to go get.

And Glowinski and Reed were not fucking Pro-Bowlers. RG has always been the weakest point of our OL since 2018. This is coming from a guy who questioned letting both guys go way back when it happened. But letting that caliber of player(s) go does not explain the collapse of this OL from Top 3 to where they are now. Nobody understands this OL.

Okay how was the running game when they were on this team.. Einstein??

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251051)
You don't just go out in one off-season and replace "one of the best" of any skill at any position in the NFL. I'm assuming you don't have a specific player in mind that he failed to go get.

And Glowinski and Reed were not fucking Pro-Bowlers. RG has always been the weakest point of our OL since 2018. This is coming from a guy who questioned letting both guys go way back when it happened. But letting that caliber of player(s) go does not explain the collapse of this OL from Top 3 to where they are now. Nobody understands this OL.

TEs that block are almost easy as getting RBs anymore

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251051)
You don't just go out in one off-season and replace "one of the best" of any skill at any position in the NFL. I'm assuming you don't have a specific player in mind that he failed to go get.

And Glowinski and Reed were not fucking Pro-Bowlers. RG has always been the weakest point of our OL since 2018. This is coming from a guy who questioned letting both guys go way back when it happened. But letting that caliber of player(s) go does not explain the collapse of this OL from Top 3 to where they are now. Nobody understands this OL.

You basically don't go out and do anything for this team when your name is Ballard!!!

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251051)
You don't just go out in one off-season and replace "one of the best" of any skill at any position in the NFL. I'm assuming you don't have a specific player in mind that he failed to go get.

And Glowinski and Reed were not fucking Pro-Bowlers. RG has always been the weakest point of our OL since 2018. This is coming from a guy who questioned letting both guys go way back when it happened. But letting that caliber of player(s) go does not explain the collapse of this OL from Top 3 to where they are now. Nobody understands this OL.

Ballard is to arrogant and conservative picking players.. He will always be mediocre.

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251051)
You don't just go out in one off-season and replace "one of the best" of any skill at any position in the NFL. I'm assuming you don't have a specific player in mind that he failed to go get.

And Glowinski and Reed were not fucking Pro-Bowlers. RG has always been the weakest point of our OL since 2018. This is coming from a guy who questioned letting both guys go way back when it happened. But letting that caliber of player(s) go does not explain the collapse of this OL from Top 3 to where they are now. Nobody understands this OL.

You think it takes all Pro-Bowler team to win SB?? Smh

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtBlue (Post 251058)
You think it takes all Pro-Bowler team to win SB?? Smh

Bartender pour me another some people are making dumber!!!

Hoopsdoc 11-20-2022 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtBlue (Post 251057)
Ballard is to arrogant and conservative picking players.. He will always be mediocre.

I think Ballards problem is he’s to fixated on traits. He’ll take the guy who’s one second faster over the guy who’s actually a good player.

Hoopsdoc 11-20-2022 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 251044)
nelson and kelly are a fucking problem

want to know whats wrong with the team? start there. if not their play, their leadership. if you want to call it that

The question is, how are they gonna fix it? I think a new OLine coach is necessary. Strausser just isn’t getting it done. He’s the coach of a line that is quite a bit worse than the sum of its parts.

It’ll be interesting to see what they do but it’s painfully clear that SOMETHING has to be done. They can’t win with a line this bad.

Colts And Orioles 11-20-2022 07:58 PM

o


The Colts appear to be a different team under Saturday, in spite of today's loss.

They are only 1-1 so far under Saturday, but I think that his coaching has been about as good as one could have expected from an interim coach who has had no coaching experience whatsoever up until 2 weeks ago ...... his 3 year-stint as a high school coach from 2017 through 2019 was technically coaching experience, but it would hardly qualify as a reason to be hired as a head coach in the NFL.

o

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 251071)
o


The Colts appear to be a different team under Saturday, in spite of today's loss.

They are only 1-1 so far under Saturday, but I think that his coaching has been about as good as one could have expected from an interim coach who has had no coaching experience whatsoever up until 2 weeks ago ...... his 3 year-stint as a high school coach from 2017 through 2019 was technically coaching experience, but it would hardly qualify as a reason to be hired as a head coach in the NFL.

o

I agree a 100%

Play calling is way different than Frank IMO I don't think they are a better team under Saturday.

omahacolt 11-20-2022 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 251063)
The question is, how are they gonna fix it? I think a new OLine coach is necessary. Strausser just isn’t getting it done. He’s the coach of a line that is quite a bit worse than the sum of its parts.

It’ll be interesting to see what they do but it’s painfully clear that SOMETHING has to be done. They can’t win with a line this bad.

you send kelly out of town.


keep nelson but make sure he isn't considered a voice or captain or anything like that. if he is still a problem, then fucking cut him. this team needs real leaders. they don't have any

fire mawae as well as strausser.

rm1369 11-20-2022 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251047)
You clamor to get rid of Ballard the same way guys clamored to get rid of Reich.

I didn’t see Reich as the primary issue with the team. Pointing out what I see the issue is is on topic for this thread. I’m not spamming the game thread with fire Ballard every time Raimann or Fries fuck up or simply a play doesn’t work like the guys clamoring to fire Reich were. And for the record, I see value in Ballard but I do believe he follows a losing philosophy. If that is changeable by him or by direction from Irsay I’d be fine keeping him.

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 251061)
I think Ballards problem is he’s to fixated on traits. He’ll take the guy who’s one second faster over the guy who’s actually a good player.

If you say, the guy who's:D actually the better player I will agree..lol

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 251091)
I didn’t see Reich as the primary issue with the team. Pointing out what I see the issue is is on topic for this thread. I’m not spamming the game thread with fire Ballard every time Raimann or Fries fuck up or simply a play doesn’t work like the guys clamoring to fire Reich were. And for the record, I see value in Ballard but I do believe he follows a losing philosophy. If that is changeable by him or by direction from Irsay I’d be fine keeping him.

Just say you are fine with Ballard trying to win everything off drafting..lmao..

Hoopsdoc 11-20-2022 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 251080)
you send kelly out of town.


keep nelson but make sure he isn't considered a voice or captain or anything like that. if he is still a problem, then fucking cut him. this team needs real leaders. they don't have any

fire mawae as well as strausser.

I agree on Kelly. I think he’s done, and he sure as hell isn’t worth what they’re paying him. Draft someone to compete with Pinter for the job.

I’m not as down on Nelson as some people are. I think he’s just pressing because of how bad the players around him are.

I think a hard look needs to be taken at Smith. He’s been really bad this season.

Brylok 11-20-2022 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 251080)
you send kelly out of town.


keep nelson but make sure he isn't considered a voice or captain or anything like that. if he is still a problem, then fucking cut him. this team needs real leaders. they don't have any

fire mawae as well as strausser.

There's ZERO leaders in the whole team. It shows

ChaosTheory 11-21-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 251109)
I agree on Kelly. I think he’s done, and he sure as hell isn’t worth what they’re paying him. Draft someone to compete with Pinter for the job.

I’m not as down on Nelson as some people are. I think he’s just pressing because of how bad the players around him are.

I think a hard look needs to be taken at Smith. He’s been really bad this season.

I don't know about Smith. It's not every week, but usually when I go back and watch the line on the 22 tape, Smith seems to be our second best OL behind Nelson. Both of them are having a down year, but if you think Nelson might be pressing because of the guy(s) next to him, the same might apply to Smith. And the two young guys are in there because Pryor and Pinter were terribly misvalued.

Kelly does seem to be in a different boat, though.

HoosierinFL 11-21-2022 12:33 PM

This offense is clearly flawed and its pretty hard for us to know exactly why.

Is it Reich's system and scheme that of course we still have to rely on?

Was it bad coaching from Reich/Brady to teach this system to the offensive unit?

Is it bad coaching of the offensive line?

Or is it some combo of regression of veteran o-line players and poor choices for replacements at RG and LT?

I don't see the all 22, so is it poor play from the receivers not getting open?

Is it bad coaching of the receivers?

Is it bad quarterback play?

Is it more likely some combination of any/all of the above?


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