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Lov2fish 11-16-2022 11:48 PM

Foreskins are gonna F%ck us
 
Say's Wentz is cleared to throw, but Taylor is starting at QB Sunday. So looking more and more likely Wentz's playing days in DC are done, which means he doesn't hit the threshold that turns into a 2nd. rounder for us.

ChoppedWood 11-17-2022 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 250264)
Say's Wentz is cleared to throw, but Taylor is starting at QB Sunday. So looking more and more likely Wentz's playing days in DC are done, which means he doesn't hit the threshold that turns into a 2nd. rounder for us.

With the bad blood now btwn these two teams, if God himself came down to Snyder and told him he was converting Wentz brain to that of Montana and his arm to that of Rogers, and that he was going to guarantee him 5 straight Lombardi's, Snyder would tell him to shut up and take his seat next to Carson on the sidelines.

ChaosTheory 11-17-2022 12:31 AM

Not too surprising if they keep Heinicke the rest of the season. They've won 3/4 with him, lost the previous 4/5 with Wentz and the game Wentz won vs. CHI, he threw for 99yds.

Take the 3rd, hopefully Ballard turns it into another Okereke or Blackmon.

Colts And Orioles 11-17-2022 01:06 AM

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Heinicke has played better than Wentz has ...... there is no reason for the Redskins to reinsert Wentz at quarterback, regardless of the trade stipulations that they have with the Colts.

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Butter 11-17-2022 01:14 AM

Meh Whatever.

Oldcolt 11-17-2022 10:02 AM

We fucked ourselves

Brylok 11-17-2022 11:56 AM

The new GM will have to make due with what he has.

Hoopsdoc 11-17-2022 12:37 PM

So they essentially spent a third round pick for the privelege of discovering that Wentz isn’t as good as a player they already had.

Neat.

Colts And Orioles 11-17-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 250283)



The new GM will have to make due with what he has.




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If the Colts manage to play (at least) respectable football for the rest of this season, they may not have a new GM next year.

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Colts And Orioles 11-17-2022 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 250275)



We fucked ourselves.




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Actually, I think that the opposite is true ...... just getting another team to take Wentz off of our hands when he still had a year left on his contract with us was a Houdini act by Ballard.

If Wentz were able to play the required amount of games which would have maximized the value of that trade, it would have simply been icing on the cake ...... but we still got the cake overall (with or without the icing.)

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Oldcolt 11-17-2022 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 250294)
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Actually, I think that the opposite is true ...... just getting another team to take Wentz off of our hands when he still had a year left on his contract with us was a Houdini act by Ballard.

If Wentz were able to play the required amount of games which would have maximized the value of that trade, it would have simply been icing on the cake ...... but we still got the cake overall (with or without the icing.)

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I agree with this. The place where we got screwed was in trading for the guy in the first place. I was looking at it as a whole. I agree that even if we only gotten a 6th rounder it would have be a win for us at that point.

Brylok 11-17-2022 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 250292)
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If the Colts manage to play (at least) respectable football for the rest of this season, they may not have a new GM next year.

o

I don't think there's much of a chance that Ballard will stay. He's been completely undermined and looks like a fool. They'll come to some sort of contract buyout arrangement and he will leave. I doubt he has any problem finding a new job. The Colts however will be... interesting.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 11-17-2022 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250286)
So they essentially spent a third round pick for the privelege of discovering that Wentz isn’t as good as a player they already had.

Neat.


Washington traded more than just a 2023 conditional draft pick.

They also traded a third round pick in the 2022 draft (Colts selected Jelani Woods) as well as swapped 2022 second round picks with the Colts so that Indy could move up a few spots in the draft order.

Pez 11-17-2022 06:53 PM

I hate the fact that we suddenly have these types of connections with Washington.

CletusPyle 11-17-2022 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 250322)
I don't think there's much of a chance that Ballard will stay. He's been completely undermined and looks like a fool. They'll come to some sort of contract buyout arrangement and he will leave. I doubt he has any problem finding a new job. The Colts however will be... interesting.

Which makes you wonder, if what someone else on this board suggested (sorry I forgot who and I am too lazy to look it up), that Saturday is really auditioning for the GM job and the Colts will have a real coaching search at the end of the season.

JAFF 11-17-2022 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 250322)
I don't think there's much of a chance that Ballard will stay. He's been completely undermined and looks like a fool. They'll come to some sort of contract buyout arrangement and he will leave. I doubt he has any problem finding a new job. The Colts however will be... interesting.

If Ballard had felt undermined, he would have resigned. Ballard has done a fine job adding talent to the team. They didnt tank when Luck retired, which makes it hard to find a rookie Qb. No one complained when they took Nelson with the 5th pick.

The problem isnt finding talent, its getting it to produce. Thats on the coaching staff. Saturday may be out at the end of the year. This group could go back to their lazy ways. Last week, they played close to their potential.

Brylok 11-17-2022 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 250333)
Which makes you wonder, if what someone else on this board suggested (sorry I forgot who and I am too lazy to look it up), that Saturday is really auditioning for the GM job and the Colts will have a real coaching search at the end of the season.

There's no telling what Diamond Jim will do. He said his role model is Al Davis. Yikes

Brylok 11-17-2022 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250335)
If Ballard had felt undermined, he would have resigned.

Would you resign (and not get paid) if you still had 3-4 years left on your contract? No way. He has pride and an ego though, and he'll get another job quickly if he wants. I agree with everything else you said. I'd like him to stay, but I doubt he will. Gonna be interesting

Lov2fish 11-17-2022 09:23 PM

If Ballard leaves we still have Dodds and Brown. I think either one of them could step in and do a fine job, who knows, maybe better.

Brylok 11-18-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 250344)
If Ballard leaves we still have Dodds and Brown. I think either one of them could step in and do a fine job, who knows, maybe better.

I'd prefer Dodds but I think some other team will snatch him up and he'll leave, too. All I know about Brown is that he came from the Bears who have largely stunk for 35 years. No opinion on him.

Hoopsdoc 11-18-2022 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 250378)
I'd prefer Dodds but I think some other team will snatch him up and he'll leave, too. All I know about Brown is that he came from the Bears who have largely stunk for 35 years. No opinion on him.

If Ballard leaves(and I think he will), it will be because Jim is calling the shots now(which he is).

I don’t think either of those guys will want to hang around and be Jim’s lackey.

ColtBlue 11-18-2022 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 250264)
Say's Wentz is cleared to throw, but Taylor is starting at QB Sunday. So looking more and more likely Wentz's playing days in DC are done, which means he doesn't hit the threshold that turns into a 2nd. rounder for us.

Foreskins didn't fuck us. Ballard did by taking him in the first place.

Wentz sucks, He is too not smart for being a NFL starting QB. I'm trying to be nice about him. lol

He would be awesome if his brain matched his arm strength.. lol JMO

ColtBlue 11-18-2022 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250424)
If Ballard leaves(and I think he will), it will be because Jim is calling the shots now(which he is).

I don’t think either of those guys will want to hang around and be Jim’s lackey.

I hope Ballard does resign or get fired. His W-L record is worse than Franks.

Ballard should've been packing and walking the road of shame with Frank. IMO

Ballard doesn't know how to draft or get FA for depth. He only cares about his players he got and not the team as a whole.

He doesn't want to spend money and it isn't even his money he is spending!!

That is probably the reason Irsay may keep him aboard for mediocre team.
Irsay wants to win.. Says all chips are on the table...
Well stop trying to bluff everyone and make the bet!!!!

JAFF 11-18-2022 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtBlue (Post 250431)
I hope Ballard does resign or get fired. His W-L record is worse than Franks.

Ballard should've been packing and walking the road of shame with Frank. IMO

Ballard doesn't know how to draft or get FA for depth. He only cares about his players he got and not the team as a whole.

He doesn't want to spend money and it isn't even his money he is spending!!

That is probably the reason Irsay may keep him aboard for mediocre team.
Irsay wants to win.. Says all chips are on the table...
Well stop trying to bluff everyone and make the bet!!!!

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/indianapolis-colts


Not spending money? Click on the link.

As to building a team, thats nonsense. The O line has dramatically under preformed, which screws up everything. We lost the best punter/kickoff specialist (who drafted him?) before the season started. Huge loss in terms of field position.

Yes there have been changes on the O line. Last years returning starters have sucked. Thats on them, not Ballard.

ColtBlue 11-18-2022 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250436)
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/indianapolis-colts


Not spending money? Click on the link.

As to building a team, thats nonsense. The O line has dramatically under preformed, which screws up everything. We lost the best punter/kickoff specialist (who drafted him?) before the season started. Huge loss in terms of field position.

Yes there have been changes on the O line. Last years returning starters have sucked. Thats on them, not Ballard.

Yes I don't deny that. He spends all the money in the wrong positions that wins games in the NFL. Our OL is one of the top paid in NFL. Are we good? Look at the W-L record. D one of the top paid, are we a juggernaut defense? Not at all a middle of the pack.

Keep praying for Ballard to bring us winners that win a SB... I am and will die before it happens

ColtBlue 11-18-2022 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250436)
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/indianapolis-colts


Not spending money? Click on the link.

As to building a team, thats nonsense. The O line has dramatically under preformed, which screws up everything. We lost the best punter/kickoff specialist (who drafted him?) before the season started. Huge loss in terms of field position.

Yes there have been changes on the O line. Last years returning starters have sucked. Thats on them, not Ballard.

How is that Yannick money working out? How is that money he gave Hines? How is that money for non factor blocking TE's? Why didn't he keep Glow, Reed and replace the one of the best blocking TEs in the league? Doyle?

ColtBlue 11-18-2022 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250436)
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/indianapolis-colts


Not spending money? Click on the link.

As to building a team, thats nonsense. The O line has dramatically under preformed, which screws up everything. We lost the best punter/kickoff specialist (who drafted him?) before the season started. Huge loss in terms of field position.

Yes there have been changes on the O line. Last years returning starters have sucked. Thats on them, not Ballard.

See your a Ballard guru lover. I'm cool with him staying I will never root for another team besides my Colts.

I see were changes need to be made. Ballard talking about winning in the trenches. Yes you do, but I have seen how the game and rules have changed since growing up from the 80's.

DB' cant do shit and defense has to lay off QB's a bit. Fine it is a safety concern they say anyhow.

WR passing favorite league, and safety concussion protocols. I'm good with it until the defense can't do its job. So DBs less contact omg WR has a edge and a QB does too.

Lets just keep spending $20 million in guards and less than $20 mil in RB's but still damn good money for RB2 we are not going keep...

I love you too Ballard.. Keep up the good work!!!

ColtBlue 11-18-2022 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250436)
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/indianapolis-colts


Not spending money? Click on the link.

As to building a team, thats nonsense. The O line has dramatically under preformed, which screws up everything. We lost the best punter/kickoff specialist (who drafted him?) before the season started. Huge loss in terms of field position.

Yes there have been changes on the O line. Last years returning starters have sucked. Thats on them, not Ballard.

You claim it's not on Ballard. But you probably think it was on Frank!!

Frank as won more games than Ballard with shit QBs.

ColtBlue 11-18-2022 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtBlue (Post 250445)
You claim it's not on Ballard. But you probably think it was on Frank!!

Frank as won more games than Ballard with shit QBs.

Maybe not more games but W-L record is a hell of a lot better...:)

Brylok 11-19-2022 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250424)
If Ballard leaves(and I think he will), it will be because Jim is calling the shots now(which he is).

I don’t think either of those guys will want to hang around and be Jim’s lackey.

Me neither but we'll see.

JAFF 11-19-2022 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ColtBlue (Post 250445)
You claim it's not on Ballard. But you probably think it was on Frank!!

Frank as won more games than Ballard with shit QBs.

Last year means jack squat in the NFL

JAFF 11-19-2022 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250424)
If Ballard leaves(and I think he will), it will be because Jim is calling the shots now(which he is).

I don’t think either of those guys will want to hang around and be Jim’s lackey.

For half of what either of those guys salary, I would be Irsays lackey. I would happily hold his beer while I watched the the circus

Hoopsdoc 11-19-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250471)
For half of what either of those guys salary, I would be Irsays lackey. I would happily hold his beer while I watched the the circus

Sure, so would I, but I don’t have the options those guys do. Plus, they want to advance in their profession. Both of them are pretty highly regarded around the league.

Why wouldn’t they want to leave and go somewhere where they’re actually running things instead of an old hippy owner?

Hoopsdoc 11-19-2022 11:32 AM

So if Crappybeerguy starts one more game after Sunday, we get a 3rd rounder because Wentz will no longer be able to reach 70 percent of the snaps.

We have to hope Crappybeerguy plays like shit and/or gets hurt.

(To clarify, I’m not hoping he gets hurt. Just saying it would be beneficial to the Colts.)

JAFF 11-19-2022 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250472)
Sure, so would I, but I don’t have the options those guys do. Plus, they want to advance in their profession. Both of them are pretty highly regarded around the league.

Why wouldn’t they want to leave and go somewhere where they’re actually running things instead of an old hippy owner?

Because Irsay has a history of being hands off. He let Polian run the shop until it failed. Post Polian, he pulled the trigger on that one a little late, using hindsight.

Ballard has a good record finding talent. The Online was considered one of the best until that group totally failed. The remaining linemen have played well below their past efforts. You cant blame Ballard for the player preformance. That is on the coaching staff.

Finding a Qb is on both Ballard and Irsay. They should have tanked the season when Luck was put on the IR, But they didnt. They traded for Brisset and went .500. Because they thought Luck still gave them 5-6 years of play.

Jim Irsay will not tank a season. He is not his father. Yeah, he is eccentric, but he knows people. Hiring Saturday as HC, he gets a smart guy who will let the asst coaches do their job, he is going to establish the ATTITUDE. Oh, putting Ryan back at Qb is Irsay not tanking. Saturday didnt come in to tank. He came in to put up a fight. They could have hired any one off the street to tank.

Yeah, Irsay may be half a bubble of plumb, he isnt a quitter, and the Colts arent tanking. Fuck that shit. Go down swinging. I can get behind that kind of crazy

Hoopsdoc 11-19-2022 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250474)
Because Irsay has a history of being hands off. He let Polian run the shop until it failed. Post Polian, he pulled the trigger on that one a little late, using hindsight.

Ballard has a good record finding talent. The Online was considered one of the best until that group totally failed. The remaining linemen have played well below their past efforts. You cant blame Ballard for the player preformance. That is on the coaching staff.

Finding a Qb is on both Ballard and Irsay. They should have tanked the season when Luck was put on the IR, But they didnt. They traded for Brisset and went .500. Because they thought Luck still gave them 5-6 years of play.

Jim Irsay will not tank a season. He is not his father. Yeah, he is eccentric, but he knows people. Hiring Saturday as HC, he gets a smart guy who will let the asst coaches do their job, he is going to establish the ATTITUDE. Oh, putting Ryan back at Qb is Irsay not tanking. Saturday didnt come in to tank. He came in to put up a fight. They could have hired any one off the street to tank.

Yeah, Irsay may be half a bubble of plumb, he isnt a quitter, and the Colts arent tanking. Fuck that shit. Go down swinging. I can get behind that kind of crazy

No, they’re not tanking, but every major move made this season traces back to Jim. Benching Ryan, firing Brady, and then firing Reich. That’s all on Jim and all made against the wishes of his coaches.

He’s never before meddled like this and there’s no reason to believe he won’t continue to do so.

Besides, he’s already made it clear he doesn’t trust Ballards judgement because Ballard was against hiring Saturday.

I’m not saying I think Ballard ought to be fired, I just think it’s inevitable now that he’s either fired or he leaves on his own.

JAFF 11-19-2022 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250477)
No, they’re not tanking, but every major move made this season traces back to Jim. Benching Ryan, firing Brady, and then firing Reich. That’s all on Jim and all made against the wishes of his coaches.

He’s never before meddled like this and there’s no reason to believe he won’t continue to do so.

Besides, he’s already made it clear he doesn’t trust Ballards judgement because Ballard was against hiring Saturday.

I’m not saying I think Ballard ought to be fired, I just think it’s inevitable now that he’s either fired or he leaves on his own.

Have you ever seen a team unit completely fail as the offensive line? New territory, new response. The offense was offensive this year and that is players and coaches.

IndyNorm 11-19-2022 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250481)
Have you ever seen a team unit completely fail as the offensive line? New territory, new response. The offense was offensive this year and that is players and coaches.

Partly, but the disasters of Pryor at LT and Pinter at RG is Ballard and his staff's fault. Although if Reich and/or Strausser supported those moves then they're partly to blame as well.

Also, if Nelson's struggles are due to lingering lower back problems or some other physical problem then signing him to such a huge contract could end up being a bad move as well.

JAFF 11-19-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 250490)
Partly, but the disasters of Pryor at LT and Pinter at RG is Ballard and his staff's fault. Although if Reich and/or Strausser supported those moves then they're partly to blame as well.

Also, if Nelson's struggles are due to lingering lower back problems or some other physical problem then signing him to such a huge contract could end up being a bad move as well.

Yes. I agree. I did not see many objecting to the extension when it happened. I was for it.

ChaosTheory 11-19-2022 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250473)
So if Crappybeerguy starts one more game after Sunday, we get a 3rd rounder because Wentz will no longer be able to reach 70 percent of the snaps.

We have to hope Crappybeerguy plays like shit and/or gets hurt.

(To clarify, I’m not hoping he gets hurt. Just saying it would be beneficial to the Colts.)

It's a long shot because Heinicke would need to be pulled for some reason... but yeah, it's probably two more games before it's official going by my gorilla math.

WAS is averaging about 70.3 snaps per game with Wentz and 70.5 snaps with Heinicke (pretty consistent). So WAS gets 70.4 snaps per game which would be about 1,197 snaps for the season, 838 would be 70%.

So Wentz would need another 416 snaps on top of the 422 he's already had. That's 59.4 snaps per game over the final 7 games... or 69.3 snaps per game over 6 games. Both are below WAS current average.


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