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omahacolt 11-13-2022 10:53 AM

Hey republicans
 
you guys really took a hit in the elections this week. do you guys think there are lessons to be learned there and what direction do you think the party needs to turn to get back on track?

serious questions as this isn't meant to rub salt in or anything. just curious how you guys would like this to go moving forward

Lov2fish 11-13-2022 01:17 PM

I think those who hitched their wagon to Trump for endorsements got what I expected. I guarantee their were republicans who casted protest votes for Trump endorsed candidates.

Desantis distanced himself from Trump and won lopsidedly in Florida and drug some candidates along that were probably unelectable if running on their own.

If I was the head of the RNC I would be doing some in-depth soul searching and trying to duplicate whatever Florida did before 2024.

Biden had a historical low approval rating, yet people still showed up in large numbers to vote for democrats. That should be very alarming for the GOP. They won't heed the writing on the wall and will continue down the path of McConnel, McCarthy and the rest like them. Just my humble opinion.

Racehorse 11-13-2022 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 249459)
I think those who hitched their wagon to Trump for endorsements got what I expected. I guarantee their were republicans who casted protest votes for Trump endorsed candidates.

Desantis distanced himself from Trump and won lopsidedly in Florida and drug some candidates along that were probably unelectable if running on their own.

If I was the head of the RNC I would be doing some in-depth soul searching and trying to duplicate whatever Florida did before 2024.

Biden had a historical low approval rating, yet people still showed up in large numbers to vote for democrats. That should be very alarming for the GOP. They won't heed the writing on the wall and will continue down the path of McConnel, McCarthy and the rest like them. Just my humble opinion.

I agree. The best thing is to distance the party from Trump.

Lov2fish 11-13-2022 01:29 PM

To add to my post. Six million more republicans voted than democrats, 6 mil, not 6, not 6K, but 6 million. For the republicans who do not think there is still Trump backlash that number should seal the deal. It won't though, they'll just scream cheating, and to be fair, Nevada, Arizona and a couple others are doing nothing to squash that narrative. When states with 3 times the population can tabulate everything and be in bed by 10:30 contribute to this rallying cry, legitimate or not. For fucks sake, votes were counted faster in 1875

omahacolt 11-13-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 249462)
To add to my post. Six million more republicans voted than democrats, 6 mil, not 6, not 6K, but 6 million. For the republicans who do not think there is still Trump backlash that number should seal the deal. It won't though, they'll just scream cheating, and to be fair, Nevada, Arizona and a couple others are doing nothing to squash that narrative. When states with 3 times the population can tabulate everything and be in bed by 10:30 contribute to this rallying cry, legitimate or not. For fucks sake, votes were counted faster in 1875

its in their laws in how they count votes. it isn't some big fucking secret. no idea why people cry about vote counting every time

omahacolt 11-13-2022 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 249459)
I think those who hitched their wagon to Trump for endorsements got what I expected. I guarantee their were republicans who casted protest votes for Trump endorsed candidates.

Desantis distanced himself from Trump and won lopsidedly in Florida and drug some candidates along that were probably unelectable if running on their own.

If I was the head of the RNC I would be doing some in-depth soul searching and trying to duplicate whatever Florida did before 2024.

Biden had a historical low approval rating, yet people still showed up in large numbers to vote for democrats. That should be very alarming for the GOP. They won't heed the writing on the wall and will continue down the path of McConnel, McCarthy and the rest like them. Just my humble opinion.

well florida let desantis personally gerrymander the fuck out of florida. so that makes sense to some degree. although florida has been moving more red.

the messaging from the republicans has been horrible imo. just basically running on FJB. i don't know what republicans stand for. but young people don't like the christian nationalist bs, the anti-abortion, anti trans, and anti- gay marriage is a losing stance. the repealing social security and cutting medicare is a huge no win. banning everything they don't like is a loss for young votes.

they need to do something. i imagine it will only get worse with all the boomers dying out and gen z starting to vote more.

republicans need policy and not just obstruction.

Lov2fish 11-13-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 249515)
well florida let desantis personally gerrymander the fuck out of florida. so that makes sense to some degree. although florida has been moving more red.

the messaging from the republicans has been horrible imo. just basically running on FJB. i don't know what republicans stand for. but young people don't like the christian nationalist bs, the anti-abortion, anti trans, and anti- gay marriage is a losing stance. the repealing social security and cutting medicare is a huge no win. banning everything they don't like is a loss for young votes.

they need to do something. i imagine it will only get worse with all the boomers dying out and gen z starting to vote more.

republicans need policy and not just obstruction.

Wasn't any fucking gerrymandering going on. For fucks sake it is the same amount of voters for each party. That didn't change. Stop with the retarded bullshit. He fucking won Dade county and flipped a shit load of black and Hispanic voters. That has to do with policy, not your fucking gerrymandering. Holy hell, not one democrat won a state office. Gerrymandering? Get the fuck out of here.

I didn't say they were cheating, but when the same states do the same fucking shit every single time and all the other states are done in a few hours it lends credence to the questioning. Stop doing fucking dumb shit and the questioning will stop

omahacolt 11-13-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 249640)
Wasn't any fucking gerrymandering going on. For fucks sake it is the same amount of voters for each party. That didn't change. Stop with the retarded bullshit. He fucking won Dade county and flipped a shit load of black and Hispanic voters. That has to do with policy, not your fucking gerrymandering. Holy hell, not one democrat won a state office. Gerrymandering? Get the fuck out of here.

I didn't say they were cheating, but when the same states do the same fucking shit every single time and all the other states are done in a few hours it lends credence to the questioning. Stop doing fucking dumb shit and the questioning will stop

states have different election laws. how do you not get that? some states don't count mail in until day of. some give it a 7 day grace period before they finish the tally. its the fucking law. that is why it is the same states.

no gerrymandering in florida? you are joking right? look into it

JAFF 11-13-2022 09:52 PM

There are those of us who changed parties, because we couldnt stomach the bs from the trumpites

Racehorse 11-13-2022 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 249898)
There are those of us who changed parties, because we couldnt stomach the bs from the trumpites

I couldn't stomach them or the democrats.

Lov2fish 11-13-2022 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 249898)
There are those of us who changed parties, because we couldnt stomach the bs from the trumpites

You stopped feeding the coyote to feed the wolf.

Lov2fish 11-13-2022 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 249665)
states have different election laws. how do you not get that? some states don't count mail in until day of. some give it a 7 day grace period before they finish the tally. its the fucking law. that is why it is the same states.

no gerrymandering in florida? you are joking right? look into it

I get how it works. My wife worked in a job that was appointed for over 20 years. I saw the bullshit at work every time a different party took over her office. It was despicable the shit that goes on.

The states can change their election process to something more simplified like, ya know, the rest of the country. It will make all the bs go away.

Other than homebound folks and military mail in balloting should be stopped. I have zero problem with ID to vote to verify you are who you are. You can't buy or do anything without proper ID so the whole it's racist and detrimental to poor people is astoundingly fucking stupid.

Both parties cheat, that is a fact, but not to the tune they accuse each other of doing so.

DragonTails 11-13-2022 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 249462)
When states with 3 times the population can tabulate everything and be in bed by 10:30 contribute to this rallying cry, legitimate or not. For fucks sake, votes were counted faster in 1875

This is what most people get wrong. Just about all states, including Florida, were still counting votes as of Saturday. It's just that Florida and some other states weren't close and could be called early.

When the races are so close, then they can't call it early and you have to wait for most votes to be counted. You know, the same thing that's been going on for 50 years.

Some states have different rules that also makes things take longer. There's is not any fraud going on-regardless of how many times Trump might say it.

Before Trump ignited his base, elections were a non-issue. Now it's a fake issue but there are a lot of ignorant people.

omahacolt 11-14-2022 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 249906)
I get how it works. My wife worked in a job that was appointed for over 20 years. I saw the bullshit at work every time a different party took over her office. It was despicable the shit that goes on.

The states can change their election process to something more simplified like, ya know, the rest of the country. It will make all the bs go away.

Other than homebound folks and military mail in balloting should be stopped. I have zero problem with ID to vote to verify you are who you are. You can't buy or do anything without proper ID so the whole it's racist and detrimental to poor people is astoundingly fucking stupid.

Both parties cheat, that is a fact, but not to the tune they accuse each other of doing so.

voting should be easy. mail in voting is fine. nobody cared about mail in voting until trump started bitching about it because republicans whole goal is to suppress the vote.

are you saying you want to federally change how states run their elections? aren't you for small government and states rights. why does it mattter how long it takes to count the votes? there is zero evidence of mass voter fraud. zero. its a boogeyman republicans use when they lose.

there is no voting holiday. people don't have time to vote a lot of the time. especially in cities controlled by republicans.

but still the main question is where do republicans go from here. cause i would love to see a party that i could possibly vote for that weren't fucking democrats.

JAFF 11-14-2022 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 249905)
You stopped feeding the coyote to feed the wolf.

No, I refused to support a ego maniac who has the attention span of a toddler and blame everyone else for his short comings. He has NO loyalty to anyone, yet demands total loyalty from others. He is a bully and a con man.

You give loyalty to someone who has loyalty only to himself.

JAFF 11-14-2022 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 249906)
I get how it works. My wife worked in a job that was appointed for over 20 years. I saw the bullshit at work every time a different party took over her office. It was despicable the shit that goes on.

The states can change their election process to something more simplified like, ya know, the rest of the country. It will make all the bs go away.

Other than homebound folks and military mail in balloting should be stopped. I have zero problem with ID to vote to verify you are who you are. You can't buy or do anything without proper ID so the whole it's racist and detrimental to poor people is astoundingly fucking stupid.

Both parties cheat, that is a fact, but not to the tune they accuse each other of doing so.

Poor people may not own a car or own a house, so not everyone has easy access to polling places or have an ID. My sister, a republican, when she realized many of the residence at a nursing home lacked ID to vote, got together a group to get those people to the County court house and register them to vote and get an ID card.

You have a car, credit cards, and other means of ID. There are groups who lack those resources.

JAFF 11-14-2022 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 249971)
voting should be easy. mail in voting is fine. nobody cared about mail in voting until trump started bitching about it because republicans whole goal is to suppress the vote.

are you saying you want to federally change how states run their elections? aren't you for small government and states rights. why does it mattter how long it takes to count the votes? there is zero evidence of mass voter fraud. zero. its a boogeyman republicans use when they lose.

there is no voting holiday. people don't have time to vote a lot of the time. especially in cities controlled by republicans.

but still the main question is where do republicans go from here. cause i would love to see a party that i could possibly vote for that weren't fucking democrats.

Every HS student who reaches 18, should get an ID card. Their records are already on file, they did this in the past with the draft

omahacolt 11-14-2022 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 249980)
Every HS student who reaches 18, should get an ID card. Their records are already on file, they did this in the past with the draft

"valid"


if the kid moves and the address doesn't match, its no longer valid

JAFF 11-14-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 249995)
"valid"


if the kid moves and the address doesn't match, its no longer valid

Thats true for everyone. But its easier to get an updated ID, than an original. You can go to any BMV and get an ID, just show residency.

You could have the seniors apply for a US passport. Waive the fee for graduates. Granted there will be gaps, nothing is perfect. The majority of new voters are going to be in school around the time they are 18. I know there are states that have mobile systems to get older people who are house bound or in nursing homes on the voter roles and getting them mail-in ballots.

Creating a pro active system of registration benefits everyone

Racehorse 11-14-2022 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 249971)
i would love to see a party that i could possibly vote for that weren't fucking democrats.

Libertarians could win if people would abandon the idea that only the Ds and the Rs matter. Most people could get behind 80% of their ideas.

omahacolt 11-14-2022 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 250014)
Libertarians could win if people would abandon the idea that only the Ds and the Rs matter. Most people could get behind 80% of their ideas.

libertarians need to get their word out. i never hear anything about them. but hell yeah. more screen time for them and another party would be nice.

like i say all the time, peel away the stupid media driven shit, the majority of the people are really close to agreeing on a lot, if not all, of the problems.

omahacolt 11-14-2022 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250004)
Thats true for everyone. But its easier to get an updated ID, than an original. You can go to any BMV and get an ID, just show residency.

You could have the seniors apply for a US passport. Waive the fee for graduates. Granted there will be gaps, nothing is perfect. The majority of new voters are going to be in school around the time they are 18. I know there are states that have mobile systems to get older people who are house bound or in nursing homes on the voter roles and getting them mail-in ballots.

Creating a pro active system of registration benefits everyone

try and get an id in Raleigh. it takes all day. if we go to a voter id law, we need to make damn sure that it is as easy to get as a library card. also has to be free

Lov2fish 11-14-2022 09:30 PM

Libertarian party has some loonies in it, but if I had to pigeon hole myself into a party it would be them. They just suck at raising funds. Their platform is solid, their bylaws are decent, but that is where the fun in the sun ends. They are horrible at letting people know they are a viable option.

More than anything people have to break the two party paradigm of I would vote for so & so but it is taking votes from so & so. If everyone who actually said that would actually follow through with it we would break the D&R's stranglehold on politics. There are a couple serving in Indiana, but not enough to make a difference on a republican super majority across the board. Pitiful. I really thought Donald Rainwater had a shot at upending high tax Holcomb. However people could just not force themselves to push the button. I did with zero regrets.

Racehorse 11-14-2022 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 250047)
Libertarian party has some loonies in it, but if I had to pigeon hole myself into a party it would be them. They just suck at raising funds. Their platform is solid, their bylaws are decent, but that is where the fun in the sun ends. They are horrible at letting people know they are a viable option.

More than anything people have to break the two party paradigm of I would vote for so & so but it is taking votes from so & so. If everyone who actually said that would actually follow through with it we would break the D&R's stranglehold on politics. There are a couple serving in Indiana, but not enough to make a difference on a republican super majority across the board. Pitiful. I really thought Donald Rainwater had a shot at upending high tax Holcomb. However people could just not force themselves to push the button. I did with zero regrets.

The problem is that most voters want to control the people outside of their party, and only the Rs and the Ds try to control people. Libertarians do not want the government strong enough to control anyone except for our foreign enemies.

omahacolt 11-19-2022 06:06 PM

you guys like that trump is back in the game?



its crazy that he is allowed to run after that whole trying to overthrow the government thing.

Racehorse 11-19-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 250501)
you guys like that trump is back in the game?



its crazy that he is allowed to run after that whole trying to overthrow the government thing.

Not at all. The guy needs to disappear. Legally, though. Not like Hoffa.

Lov2fish 11-19-2022 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 250501)
you guys like that trump is back in the game?



its crazy that he is allowed to run after that whole trying to overthrow the government thing.


No................

omahacolt 11-19-2022 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 250502)
Not at all. The guy needs to disappear. Legally, though. Not like Hoffa.

haha right. just go golf dude. spend your last 10 years just enjoying it.


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