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ChaosTheory 10-16-2022 04:32 PM

Too Soon Instant Reaction
 
-Offensive line made the difference on offense. Give him some time and, what a shock, Matt Ryan looks like a totally different guy. Pass pro and pass offense overall was light-years better. Really exciting going forward with Tayor and Co. returning.

-Do not put Sam Ehlinger in there.

-Ryan was great. Top 2 backs out, he shouldered the load. Short passes were our extended running game and he got lots of guys involved and again showed poise at the end of a game.

-I hope I don't see much of him the rest of the season, but Deon Jackson balled out. 10 catches out of the backfield.

-Along with giving Ryan time... we finally get to see this receiving corps do some stuff. Pittman is a fucking man. Campbell, Pierce, Woods, Granson... all very key contributors.

-Defense... wtf? 243 yards rushing? Weird to watch, because most plays they bottled up. But they gave up a crazy amount of chunk plays.

-I watched JAX and Etienne last week. That dude makes you nervous.

-Lawrence was 20/22. 91%. Again, crazy completion % against us. Only 163yds which I guess is the idea, but did not anticipated getting run on like that.

-That final JAX drive was embarrassing. Penalties were annoying, but shit. 18 plays, 84 yards, 10:03, and ends in a TD. Terrible.

I'll think of more later.

Butter 10-16-2022 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 244993)
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-I hope I don't see much of him the rest of the season, but Deon Jackson balled out. 10 catches out of the backfield.
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I was thinking it is time to bring back the Wish Bone!

Thorgrim 10-16-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 244996)
I was thinking it is time to bring back the Wish Bone!

Do you have Owen Gill's number?

NextManUp 10-16-2022 05:10 PM

I hope they figure out how to fix this run D before next week. Henry might go for 300 on us.

HoosierinFL 10-16-2022 05:20 PM

I said in the game thread. Losing Kwity Paye really hurts the run defense.

Hoopsdoc 10-16-2022 06:00 PM

You could have made some money betting on the Colts not giving up a single sack today. Serious money.

Amazing how much difference it made not having Pryor play a position he has no business playing.

It’s really more of an indictment on the coaches than anything else. It’s mind boggling that they trotted him out there for 5 freaking games at tackle.

Racehorse 10-16-2022 06:12 PM

Take away the two ridiculously long runs, and they are closer to 130 yards. That would not be a bad day. I also think they wanted to make Lawrence less of a factor, and the run defense suffered.

Hoopsdoc 10-16-2022 06:23 PM

Also, Fayscon EVER seing the field over Rodgers is legitimately a fireable offense.

Amazing how pig headed these coaches can be.

ChaosTheory 10-16-2022 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 245025)
Take away the two ridiculously long runs, and they are closer to 130 yards. That would not be a bad day. I also think they wanted to make Lawrence less of a factor, and the run defense suffered.

I know what you mean, but that's why our own Taylor is such a threat. If I remember right, he was like 3ypc all night vs. NE last season until he busted that 62-yarder and iced the game. They're devastating.

Even without 109 yards on those two runs... we still gave up 4.3ypc on 31 rushes, which isn't good.


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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 245015)
I said in the game thread. Losing Kwity Paye really hurts the run defense.

This is a good point. He was playing well. But these long runs have to be cleaned up by the safeties. I blamed Thomas for the Hasty TD, but it might have been McLeod. Whoever it was, he followed the motion man and didn't even see Hasty until he was almost in the secondary.

Henry wouldn't even need the safety to fuck up, though. If we let him get to the second level like that, he can stiff arm his way right through just the same.

ChaosTheory 10-16-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 245028)
Also, Fayscon EVER seing the field over Rodgers is legitimately a fireable offense.

Amazing how pig headed these coaches can be.

I was concerned after how easy Henry got around him a few weeks ago on that TD. Then today he we all saw the no-tackle. Rodgers is smaller, but goddamn it, he tackles.

Hoopsdoc 10-16-2022 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 245039)
I was concerned after how easy Henry got around him a few weeks ago on that TD. Then today he we all saw the no-tackle. Rodgers is smaller, but goddamn it, he tackles.

Rodgers is noticeably better. Fayscon only plays because Bradley is familiar with him.

It’s ridiculous.

Hoopsdoc 10-16-2022 06:53 PM

Also, Alec Pierce is turning into a legitimate weapon.

Chromeburn 10-16-2022 07:22 PM

Pryor is still a blocking black hole in there even at guard. Going to have to get him out. Going to get Ryan killed.

Hoopsdoc 10-16-2022 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 245047)
Pryor is still a blocking black hole in there even at guard. Going to have to get him out. Going to get Ryan killed.

True, but at guard the d lineman sometimes runs into the tackle while running around Pryor.

It’s a little more manageable.

Oldcolt 10-16-2022 07:45 PM

The line played better but they still sucked. Ryan was under constant pressure, I cannot remember one time watching him just sit back and survey the field. I said in another thread that this is the first step forward they have made, but it came after cratering. They have a long way to go and it will take good coaching and the correct mental effort to even get back to average. It has truly been made a mess of.

Rogers makes plays when he is on the field, don't like that he isn't starting. He is good, he is young with a great upside. He lacks ideal size so this team will always downgrade his play.

omahacolt 10-16-2022 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 245025)
Take away the two ridiculously long runs, and they are closer to 130 yards. That would not be a bad day. I also think they wanted to make Lawrence less of a factor, and the run defense suffered.

take away a couple touchdowns and we lose.

Thorgrim 10-16-2022 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 245050)
The line played better but they still sucked. Ryan was under constant pressure, I cannot remember one time watching him just sit back and survey the field. I said in another thread that this is the first step forward they have made, but it came after cratering. They have a long way to go and it will take good coaching and the correct mental effort to even get back to average. It has truly been made a mess of.

Rogers makes plays when he is on the field, don't like that he isn't starting. He is good, he is young with a great upside. He lacks ideal size so this team will always downgrade his play.

I know the line continues to be a work in progress but Kelly deserves some props. I need to go back and watch the game to be sure but he seemed to pass the eye test. I do realize the bar is set pretty low at this point.

omahacolt 10-16-2022 09:07 PM

1) i thought frank had a good day playcalling and devising a game plan

2) ryan is fine if he has time

3) deon jackson is a good player. glad he is on the team

4) pierce catching contested passes is a game changer

5) pittman is a beast

6) run d was gross. i don't think dayo is very good

7) franklin has played well and had some really nice plays today

8) why do we make lawrence look like a world beater. our d always makes jags qb's look amazing

9) Kelly should be the LT going forward.

10) pryor can't start anywhere unless injuries. play fries at rg

apballin 10-16-2022 10:38 PM

Hell of a game,

I mean go down the list
Matt Ryan
Pittman
Jackson
Campbell (wtf)
Pierce
Woods

Defense
Grover Stewart holy fuckin shit this dudes playing like DPOY candidate
Buckner with the robo arm
Franklin
Lewis
EJ Speed with the 4th down stop
McLeod

Gotta give it up to the fans too place was rocking in the 4th quarter

ChaosTheory 10-17-2022 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 245050)
The line played better but they still sucked. Ryan was under constant pressure, I cannot remember one time watching him just sit back and survey the field.

Really? I'll always rewatch the game, but I didn't get this feeling at all. I thought the line played better in pass pro overall. A big help obviously was the no huddle and tempo. There were several times when they got JAX to give away their blitz and had plenty of clock to adjust.

I read that TruMedia showed his average pass was in 2.4 seconds and that he was pressured on 24% of dropbacks. Against DEN it was 51% and the first JAX game was 40%. Sacks can be misleading, but 0 sacks on 58 passes is pretty lights-out.


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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 245070)
8) why do we make lawrence look like a world beater. our d always makes jags qb's look amazing

9) Kelly should be the LT going forward.

10) pryor can't start anywhere unless injuries. play fries at rg

8) It's frustrating trying to wrap your head around it. Mahomes and Wilson throw in the 50's% but Tannehill and Lawrence are 80%-90%?

9) I can't argue against Kelly. Still don't know what the deal with Raimann was after one or two series. Don't remember another penalty. Shaky in no-huddle? Curious.

10) I didn't notice Pryor, which is good. Curious how he looks on replay.

YDFL Commish 10-17-2022 12:37 AM

Ryan's post game comments:

"It was a good change of pace for us," Ryan said. "I thought we played with good tempo – used the speed when we needed it, but also we were able to check out of some things and get into some looks that we wanted to get into. I thought Frank did a great job calling it today."

Translation: In no huddle I call the plays and the offense runs more efficiently.
It doesn't give Frank time to dream up dumb fuck trick plays when he get's outta my fuk'n way.

dwilli57 10-17-2022 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 245090)
Really? I'll always rewatch the game, but I didn't get this feeling at all. I thought the line played better in pass pro overall. A big help obviously was the no huddle and tempo. There were several times when they got JAX to give away their blitz and had plenty of clock to adjust.

I read that TruMedia showed his average pass was in 2.4 seconds and that he was pressured on 24% of dropbacks. Against DEN it was 51% and the first JAX game was 40%. Sacks can be misleading, but 0 sacks on 58 passes is pretty lights-out.

I agree. Seemed like he had a LOT less pressure, maybe he was just getting it out faster but he wasn't getting sacked every other play.

ChoppedWood 10-17-2022 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 245091)
Ryan's post game comments:

"It was a good change of pace for us," Ryan said. "I thought we played with good tempo – used the speed when we needed it, but also we were able to check out of some things and get into some looks that we wanted to get into. I thought Frank did a great job calling it today."

Translation: In no huddle I call the plays and the offense runs more efficiently.
It doesn't give Frank time to dream up dumb fuck trick plays when he get's outta my fuk'n way.

Dead fucking on, dead on!

This team has potential so long as that guy is pushed to the side!

Pez 10-17-2022 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dwilli57 (Post 245100)
I agree. Seemed like he had a LOT less pressure, maybe he was just getting it out faster but he wasn't getting sacked every other play.

I think the OL really stepped up this game, but the team helped them be successful. The coaches came up with a better config for the line, and came up with a game plan to help Ryan get the ball out quickly. Ryan executed on that which helped the line gain confidence, not to mention they stepped up play.

ChaosTheory 10-17-2022 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dwilli57 (Post 245100)
I agree. Seemed like he had a LOT less pressure, maybe he was just getting it out faster but he wasn't getting sacked every other play.

He was absolutely letting rip quicker overall. But there were plenty of plays where he had to go through multiple reads. And he actually had a pocket that he could maneuver around in and make the play. That was the improvement in pass pro.

Again, he averaged 2.4sec per pass yesterday... in the first JAX game, I clocked a few plays where they had hands on Ryan in like 2.3sec. Same in the KC tape.

Oldcolt 10-17-2022 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dwilli57 (Post 245100)
I agree. Seemed like he had a LOT less pressure, maybe he was just getting it out faster but he wasn't getting sacked every other play.

I agree with you that we played a lot better on the line. I stand by we still suck as an offensive line right now but are moving in the right direction, far fewer untouched players rushing Ryan this game-that isn't something I am going to get all giddy about. With the money we have invested in this line I won't be happy unless they get back to dominating-and that seems like a dream right now. It was much better but we have a long way to go. They were not going to go from absolute garbage to world beaters in one week, but they really need to keep improving big time.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 10-18-2022 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 245040)
Rodgers is noticeably better. Fayscon only plays because Bradley is familiar with him.

It’s ridiculous.

The beat writers asked about the playing time of Facyson vs. Rodgers.

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...07305966280704

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Asked Gus Bradley about Facyson vs. Rodgers.

Answer a little long for Twitter, but initial paraphrases of answer were:

- Colts know Facyson hasn't played well, believe he'll turn it around

- the Colts are playing Rodgers a little more right now

- Indy thinks they'll need both - need 4 starting caliber CBs
And from Darius Butler:

https://twitter.com/DariusJButler/st...39347881590784

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Definitely agreed on needing 4 Starting level CBs.

I personally think Isaiah Rodgers should be the 3rd Corner in that rotation but I have to trust the DC at this point.

I’m sure Gus is a big reason Brandon ended up in Indy so he will give him every opportunity to succeed.

ChaosTheory 10-18-2022 05:37 PM

Here's the Gus Bradley presser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKTgNuZUzYY

Facyson bit is at 2:42


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