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Dont fuck with us

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/in...cue/index.html


https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...t/65375869007/

Those two guys are true heros.
There isn't a person on earth who can convince me otherwise that law-abiding citizens shouldn't be able to carry a gun.

I wonder what it would have been like if neither had a gun......

Evil people don't think about that. They think of inflicting as many casualties as possible. The mall is 10 minutes from my house. Although they have a sign that says no firearms, I carry when there anyway. Gun free zones are not criminalized in Indiana. The worse that can happen to the young man is Simon can ban him in future trips to the mall. Indiana also has a law that protects the young man from being sued by the shooters family. Thank God for men such as young Mr. Dicken and his unselfish act. This could have turned out way worse had he not acted promptly. He engaged the shooter almost immediately after the gunfire started.

It would be in a book of fiction.

I guarandamntee you the shooter didn’t expect someone with a gun to be there. Cowards like that won’t strike where they think anyone will fight back. That’s why no one ever shoots up a gun shop or an NRA convention.

These worms WANT defenseless people so they can kill as many as possible.

This incident should be taught everywhere as the perfect way to respond to an active shooter situation. This kid engaged the shooter from a distance, poured 10 rounds into him, while motioning for people near him to get to safety.

Outstanding. The kid deserves a medal.

A medal? That young hero should have a bust right outside the mall entrance. God only knows how many people that man saved.

He hired my friend Guy Relford, best damn constitutional attorney in this region. You should listed to his gun guy show on WIBC Saturday's. The kid is not in trouble, Guy is just protecting him from people who wish to shame him in a light not deserving of his heroism.

Have his picture on a billboard, with the words, “nice shooting Tex”

He isnt the problem, its the mentally disturbed 18 year old who got his gun with no restrictions.

We need to outlaw mental illnesses to solve this problem.

No, we need to figure out why our society is suddenly churning out kids like this, who have nothing to believe in and a hatred for everything.

But no one wants to have that conversation.

It’s just so much easier to blame the gun.

He had to pass a background check to get the gun. He hadn't been adjudicated by a court, so nothing was done to prevent him from getting it. Indiana being a constitutional carry state does not mean any and everyone can own a gun. If you were legally prohibited before, you are legally prohibited still. You still must be vetted so if you have no red flags in your history you will get to exercise your right to own a gun.

Also contrary to the lefts rallying cry and go to, you can not order a gun online and have it shipped to your house. That is flat out false. Yes, you can buy a gun online, but it must be shipped to an FFL dealer in your state where you are required to present ID and pass a background check.

Yes, it is easier. No guns=no shootings. Why is that so hard to comprehend

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...k-private-sale

Loop hole

Im not sure you can collect all the guns. There are some that should be restricted. A criminal/crazy shouldnt be better armed than the police.

Its not a loophole. It has always been this way, as it should. What two private individuals do between each other is none of the governments business. All gun laws are infringements.

Back to Eli and his heroism. He ended the threat in 15 seconds. He got off ten rounds and eight hit the target from 30 feet with zero collateral damage. The shooter exited the bathroom at 5:56: 48 and opened fire. He met his maker at 5:57:03. That is impressive for anyone, let alone a 22 year old who just started carrying after Indiana's constitutional carry took effect. I am absolutely positive he has trained far longer than that. He is a victim here as well. Taking a human life comes with mental anguish most can't fathom. I hope he seeks the proper healing.

And how exactly are you going to get rid of all the guns without screwing over guys like me, who have never hurt a soul with a gun and never will?

Sorry, but I refuse to relinquish my rights because some people can’t play nice. Thats never going to happen.

Thats where the problem lies. No way you can remove all the guns, I am not unrealistic.

But I don’t understand why anyone needs anything near an assault rifle. Let alone a young male (18 in uvalde, 20 in IN) who buys 2 AR-15 style rifles within 2 days.

I agree with people when they say there are mental health issues that are not dealt with. But it also seems a lot easier to not sell these types of weapons meant to kill quickly in large amounts than it is to try to identify and deal with all the crazies.

All? So no restrictions. Anyone can buy and carry any type of gun at any time?

Absolutely. Exactly how it was intended.

You cant remove all gun. Wild animal populations would explode, then probable crash for a lack of food and forage. And thats just one example.

You cant drive a car without a license. A minor in IN must show proof of passing a safety class, and a given number of driving hours with an instructor. You cant get a bank loan without a credit check. I believe you can not get a hunting license in IN as a minor without taking a safety class.

We can have sensible laws that protect both parties. It will take compromise. There are no absolutes with the Constitution.

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Again originalism. I don’t think the founding fathers meant what we have now. They wanted to be able to protect themselves from the english. They had muskets at the time, not assault rifles.

Second amendment says a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state. Random 18 year olds with ar15s is not a well regulated militia with the intent of protecting the country.

You need to understand the constitution, which you obviously do not. That is not a slam, it is just factual as most don't. There was no standing army at the writing of the constitution. Militia is you, I and everyone.

The weapon is irrelevant, the technology of the weapon is irrelevant, how many rounds it will fire are irrelevant. The constitution is to prevent government from infringing on us. It is not a document in which the government grants you rights with. The puckle gun is the first fully auto, and predates the constitution by some 60-70 years. Facts are inconvenient for the cries of the those who get their knowledge from the media.

AR-15 is not an assault rifle. Not even close. It is not used by any standing armies on the planet. It is simply a semi-automatic the same as a 9mm handgun. One trigger pull, one round fired. Assault rifles have been banned since 1932 without a tax stamp from the ATF. Even if you have a stamp you can't own anything currently issued to the military. Another huge infringement. The founders actually had better than military grade weapons at the time. Their barrels were rifled which made them far more accurate than the British smooth bored weapons.

People who get their firearm knowledge from media should stay out of gun debates, they are not equipped. Mercifully the founders didn't write our constitution with feelings in mind.

How about we start issuing a permit to exercise the 1st. amendment? I mean if it is ok to do it to one amendment why not all of them? Weakening any part of the constitution weakens the entire document.

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Exactly my point. No standing army meant need for the armed militia. We have an army, we dont have a militia any more.

I have read about puckle guns before. And if i recall the fire rate was still quite small and was a bitch to reload. Not to mention i think there were only a few made.

You claim to be a constitutional scholar, ok i guess we have to take your word for it. But again, times change and the original intent of the second does not match todays times. Call an ar15 what you want, i still think there’s no place for it in the hands of random untrained people. Oh and in terms of hand guns, bullets from an AR-15 and weapons similar to it travel almost three times faster than those of a routine handgun. The shooter can cause more damage while being less accurate, and the wounds are often far more lethal.

We will never agree on this. I go round and round with a friend here, same arguments.

The constitution is absolute. Where do you get your information from?
Driving is a privilege and not an inalienable right.
Getting a loan is an option.
You're comparing things to a right that are not inherently related.

20,000 gun laws on the slate nationwide and federal level. Enough compromise has been made.

Slavery was legal and now its isnt. Women were denied the vote now they have it. And your right to a gun was to maintain a militia. That need no longer exists, we have a standing army. Nothing is absolute

Most gun crime is committed with handguns but it’s the scary “assault weapons” that get all the attention.

If I believed for a single second that a ban on AR’s would be the end of it, I’d be inclined to support such a ban. But it wouldn’t be, because the weapon itself is not the problem.

The problem, as I said before, is a society that is creating these people.

So we get rid of AR’s and then when the next shooting happens, which it inevitably will, the same people will be back saying “we have to do something”. And on and on it goes.

So no, f**k that noise.

The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 people with 2 pistols. The idea that it can’t be done without long rifles is ridiculous.

You’re essentially saying “something needs to be done. Let’s try this and see if it works” You’re taking constitutional rights away from MILLIONS of Americans, hoping it works.

It’s bullshit and it shouldn’t even be considered.

Im all for more state and fed attention to mental health. Red flag laws need to be passed and MAINTAINED, spend the money on tracking and execution.

The ARs are a real problem for a lot of reasons. Its all well and good to have security officers in the schools. In our community, they have a taser and a pistol and body armor. But they are outgunned by the kid with the AR. So do we get them a bigger gun? Build a moat around the schools and put up watch towers? Make the schools a fortress that looks like a prison? Artillery beats armor. Every time.

There needs to be a federal clearing house for a background check. Most honest gun owners will clear it. Yes, you pay a fee. When you pass it its tax deductible. Almost all of my friends who hunt are fanatical on the care, maintenance, and safety with a gun. Im betting if states organized a safety program in every county, you would have plenty of excellent instructors to make it work.

And they had a convention of states and amended the constitution to right the wrongs of our founders. I will not be penalized for the sins of their thinking.

Try getting a convention of states today to amend anything in the constitution. It is absolute. Scotus has ruled twice it is absolute. You fucking morons need to turn CNN off and learn how this country was formed. Nobody, and I mean nobody but you care about your opinions.

And that means we can have gun control by legal action.

Nothing is absolute

so you are saying its absolute...unless its amended. interesting.

My own opinions aside, I'm struck with the pro-gun camp seeing threats to their rights to possess a gun or ammunition.

Seriously where are all these gun laws everyone says are trampling on their rights? I just don't see any new restrictions that are at all threatening to take away anyone's guns. The NRA has been in the political drivers' seat for decades.

Gun laws are becoming more liberal than ever now. I just dont understand the notion that gun owners are in any way being persecuted.

That is how it works. Once amended the new part becomes absolute and free from change by act of congress alone. It takes a convention and 2/3rds of the states to amend the constitution. You can only amend the amendment you opened it for, or adding a new amendment. You can not change or add anything not specifically outlined in the convention of states. I.E. you can get it open to change the 2nd. and then say hey, while we are here lets go ahead and rewrite the 4th. 13th. and 14th. It doesn't fucking work that way. The founders made it difficult for a reason. They knew someday we would become infiltrated with sniveling little whiny bitches who get their panties twisted up when they do not get their way. Fucking liberal are all the same, stick your fingers in your ears and scream to drown out anything that doesn't coincide with what you want to hear.

sounds a lot like our recent president and his followers.

That entire statement above is a hot steaming pile. The founders set up a frame work FOR change, because they could not predict the future. Gradual change to meet the needs of the new ages. If anyone is screaming down, its you. I know change will happen. When you have one group who refuses to accept the will of the majority, then things go badly.

It has never been an absolute document. Change will happen. So you can be part of the problem or part of the solution.

Your fucking absolute refusal to accept truth is all I need to know about you. Your husband must be extremely proud of you. Majority. You. Are. An. Idiot!

The majority is not the woke liberal dumb fuck socialists. They do whine and cry the most, but by no means are they the majority. Biden bent the knee to these crybabies and now according to his poll numbers, they don't like the job he is doing. Here's a thought, in Canada, you can't even use a gun to defend yourself, hell move there.

Thanks for proving my point. There is no room for absolutism, and those who resist change usually wind up on the outside looking in