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Racehorse 01-23-2022 09:55 AM

2022 off-season free agency and draft
 
Here is a list of current players signed and their positions, plus cap number:

Offense 26;
G Quenton Nelson $13,754,000
OL Ryan Kelly $9,750,000
OL Danny Pinter $982,174
OL Will Fries $846,344
OL Carter O'Donnell $705,000
OT Braden Smith $11,567,000
OT Shon Coleman $895,000
QB Carson Wentz $28,294,119
QB Sam Ehlinger $857,676
QB James Morgan $825,000
RB Nyheim Hines $5,140,000
RB Jonathan Taylor $2,135,224
RB Deon Jackson $825,000
TE Jack Doyle $6,200,000
TE Kylen Granson $1,001,591
TE Michael Jacobson $705,000
TE Farrod Green $705,000
TE Eli Wolf $705,000
WR T.Y. Hilton $2,300,000
WR Michael Pittman, Jr. $2,348,957
WR Parris Campbell $1,519,616
WR Mike Strachan $853,708
WR Dezmon Patmon $927,353
WR Jordan Murray $705,000
WR Keke Coutee $965,000
WR De'Michael Harris $825,000

Defense 19:
CB Kenny Moore $6,750,000
CB Rock Ya-Sin $3,377,355
CB Isaiah Rodgers $931,281
CB Anthony Chesley $895,000
CB Chris Wilcox $705,000
CB Alexander Myres $705,000
DB E.J. Speed $1,037,349
DL DeForest Buckner $16,000,000
DL Grover Stewart $10,625,000
DL Kwity Paye $3,101,099
DL Ben Banogu $1,891,434
DL Dayo Odeyingbo $1,403,984
DL Chris Williams $825,000
LB Darius Leonard $10,916,000
LB Bobby Okereke $2,653,779
LB Jordan Glasgow $927,353
S Julian Blackmon $1,241,609
S Khari Willis $2,625,009
S Will Redmond $895,000

Special Teams 3:
K Rodrigo Blankenship $901,668
LS Luke Rhodes $1,035,000
P Rigoberto Sanchez $2,345,000

As you can see, there are just 48 players under contract, and some of them are just bodies. Here is the list of our free agents:

Eric Fisher LT
T.Y. Hilton WR
Mark Glowinski RG
Xavier Rhodes CB
Zach Pascal WR
Mo Alie-Cox TE
AQ Muhammad EDGE
Sam Tevi LT
Isaac Rochell IDL
George Odum S
T.J. Carrie CB
Marlon Mack RB
Kemoko Turay EDGE
Julie'n Davenport LT
Chris Reed LG
Tyquan Lewis EDGE
Andrew Sendejo S
Jahleel Addae S
Taylor StallworthIDL
Michael Badgley K
Antwaun Woods IDL
Ashton Dulin WR
Nick Nelson CB
Robert Windsor IDL
Quartney Davis WR
Matt Pryor RG
Matthew Adams LB
Zaire Franklin LB
Skai Moore LB
Ibraheim Campbell

Which do you feel are must signs, possible signs and definite moving ons?
Remember, you need to fill out the roster in all areas. it is not as simple as just saying a guy is trash or whatever, because we need a full competent roster.

Racehorse 01-23-2022 09:56 AM

Sorry if the formatting is not easy. I was trying to finish this quickly, because I am running short on time right now. I will put in my thoughts later.

CletusPyle 01-23-2022 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 221909)
Sorry if the formatting is not easy. I was trying to finish this quickly, because I am running short on time right now. I will put in my thoughts later.

Thank you Racehorse for putting this together....this helps a lot!

JAFF 01-23-2022 11:26 AM

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/indianapolis-colts/

Racehorse 01-23-2022 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 221919)

That was my source, but it isn't easy to have a discussion about this without the information right here. I tried to post all of the relevant stuff in the OP for easy reference.

Racehorse 01-23-2022 02:55 PM

Top QB free agents:
1.*Tyrod Taylor, Houston Texans
2.*Teddy Bridgewater, Denver Broncos
3.*Jameis Winston, New Orleans Saints
4.*Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers
5.*Ryan Fitzpatrick, Washington Football Team
6.*Marcus Mariota, Las Vegas Raiders
7.*Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers
8.*Jacoby Brissett, Miami Dolphins
9.*Andy Dalton, Chicago Bears

Top WRs:
1.*Davante Adams, Green Bay Packers
2.*Allen Robinson, Chicago Bears
3.*Chris Godwin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4.*Mike Williams, Los Angeles Chargers
5.*Antonio Brown, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6.*Will Fuller, Miami Dolphins
7.*Michael Gallup, Dallas Cowboys
8.*DJ Chark Jr., Jacksonville Jaguars
9.*Emmanuel Sanders, Buffalo Bills

Top TEs:
1.*Zach Ertz, Arizona Cardinals
2.*Dalton Schultz, Dallas Cowboys
3.*Mike Gesicki, Miami Dolphins
4.*Jared Cook, Los Angeles Chargers
5.*Rob Gronkowski, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6.*Evan Engram, New York Giants
7.*David Njoku, Cleveland Browns
8.*C.J. Uzomah, Cincinnati Bengals
9.*Maxx Williams, Arizona Cardinals

Top OLine:
1.*Orlando Brown Jr., T, Kansas City Chiefs
2.*Brandon Scherff, G, Washington Football Team
3.*Terron Armstead, T, New Orleans Saints
4.*Duane Brown, T, Seattle Seahawks
5.*Riley Reiff, T, Cincinnati Bengals
6.*Laken Tomlinson, G, San Francisco 49ers
7.*Ben Jones, C, Tennessee Titans
8.*Jason Peters, T, Chicago Bears
9.*Cam Robinson, T, Jacksonville Jaguars
10.*Trent Brown, T, New England Patriots

Edited: I omitted RBs, as I don't see a need there. Oddly enough, Marlon Mack was not listed. He will come cheap to some team in need.

Colts And Orioles 01-23-2022 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 221929)



That was my source, but it isn't easy to have a discussion about this without the information right here. I tried to post all of the relevant stuff in the OP for easy reference.



o


C&O's neurotic posting habits may be rubbing off on you a little bit.

o

Racehorse 01-23-2022 03:00 PM

Top Interior Dline:
1.*Sebastian Joseph-Day, Los Angeles Rams
2.*Calais Campbell, Baltimore Ravens
3.*Austin Johnson, New York Giants
4.*Akiem Hicks, Chicago Bears
5.*Quinton Jefferson, Las Vegas Raiders
6.*Solomon Thomas, Las Vegas Raiders
7.*Linval Joseph, Los Angeles Chargers
8.*Sheldon Richardson, Cleveland Browns
9.*Jarran Reed, Kansas City Chiefs
10.*Malik Jackson, Cleveland Browns

Top Edge:
1.*Haason Reddick, Carolina Panthers
2.*Harold Landry, Tennessee Titans
3.*Randy Gregory, Dallas Cowboys
4.*Von Miller, Los Angeles Rams
5.*Jadeveon Clowney, Cleveland Browns
6.*Emmanuel Ogbah, Miami Dolphins
7.*Chandler Jones, Arizona Cardinals
8.*Derek Barnett, Philadelphia Eagles
9.*Charles Harris, Detroit Lions
10.*Dante Fowler Jr., Atlanta Falcons

Top LBs:
1.*Christian Kirksey, Houston Texans
2.*Kenny Young, Denver Broncos
3.*Ja’Whaun Bentley, New England Patriots
4.*Anthony Walker Jr., Cleveland Browns
5.*Reggie Ragland, New York Giants
6.*Dont’a Hightower, New England Patriots
7.*Jermaine Carter, Carolina Panthers
8.*Alec Ogletree, Chicago Bears
9.*Jayon Brown, Tennessee Titans
10.*Jon Bostic, Washington Football Team

Top DBs:
1.*Stephon Gilmore, CB, Carolina Panthers
2.*J.C. Jackson, CB, New England Patriots
3.*Darious Williams, CB, Los Angeles Rams
4.*Jessie Bates III, S, Cincinnati Bengals
5.*Tyrann Mathieu, S, Kansas City Chiefs
6.*Donte Jackson, CB, Carolina Panthers
7.*Levi Wallace, CB, Buffalo Bills
8.*Marcus Maye, S, New York Jets
9.*Casey Hayward, CB, Las Vegas Raiders
10.*Marcus Williams, S, New Orleans Saints

Racehorse 01-23-2022 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 221933)
o


C&O's neurotic posting habits may be rubbing off on you a little bit.

o

Well, Sherck left, so I have to do my own work these days. :D Figured I would share.

JAFF 01-23-2022 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 221929)
That was my source, but it isn't easy to have a discussion about this without the information right here. I tried to post all of the relevant stuff in the OP for easy reference.

It looked like it, just giving a source, so people know its accurate

Racehorse 01-23-2022 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 221936)
It looked like it, just giving a source, so people know its accurate

Someone shared that site on here a few years ago. It has become an invaluable source for me when discussing this stuff with ignorant people on Facebook.

Racehorse 01-23-2022 03:23 PM

Here are my thoughts on these free agents:
Eric Fisher LT I think he is serviceable, but never looked as good as before. If cheap, maybe sign, but there are a lot of OTs in free agency. It boils down to which ones actually hit free agency and are not tagged.
T.Y. Hilton WR I think he retires, but if he wants another year on a reasonable contract, I would pull the trigger. He was still getting open, but wentz couldn't hit him.
Mark Glowinski RG I think he will be let test the waters. I am okay with this.
Xavier Rhodes CB Might be time to move on. Injuries riddled him this year
Zach Pascal WR One of "our guys", but surely we will find a better replacement, right?
Mo Alie-Cox TE This comes down to two things; Does Dotle retire, and can we lure Ertz.
AQ Muhammad EDGE Dude has earned a new contract.
Sam Tevi LT Bye, Felicia
Isaac Rochell IDL Only if very cheap. Decent rotational piece, but not starter quality
George Odum S Sign him back already. Dude is a baller.
T.J. Carrie CB I am on the fence with him. I could take him or not.
Marlon Mack RB Let him get a contract elsewhere. He won't get snaps here, anyway
Kemoko Turay EDGE Should come fairly cheap, so why not. He can play, and should be totally healthy next year
Julie'n Davenport LT See Tevi above
Chris Reed LG Keep him here. Good team player, and can step in when needed. Those guys are hard to find
Tyquan Lewis EDGE Depends on his medical report. He was coming into his own before the injury
Andrew Sendejo S We looked different without him, so maybe sign him back
Jahleel Addae S Meh
Taylor StallworthIDL I would like to see him stay, if he is reasonable
Michael Badgley K Specs can do what he did, and is already on contract
Antwaun Woods IDL Maybe, maybe not
Ashton Dulin WR He is a ST demon, and showed flashes at WR. Bring him back
Nick Nelson CB Who?
Robert Windsor IDL Not interested
Quartney Davis WR Who?
Matt Pryor RG Like Reed, we need backups who can step in. He needs a contract
Matthew Adams LB Meh
Zaire Franklin LB yes, a new contract is in order
Skai Moore LB Meh
Ibraheim Campbell Pass

This would be approximately 12 guys returning. Add this to the 48 under contract, and we have a decent core. Free agents from other teams next

Hoopsdoc 01-25-2022 07:37 PM

The colts aren’t going anywhere without a quarterback. They’re in a conference with Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, and Jackson. It’s just not feasible.

Every player on the roster should be looked at as a potential chip to be used in acquiring a good quarterback. Nothing else matters.

apballin 01-25-2022 10:15 PM

Resign glowinski, Reed, Turay

Let the rest of them see what they can get but I wouldn’t pay any of them

Something tells me Muhammad gets paid somewhere else or wants more than Ballard is willing to give for him

Lewis injury= can’t pay him

Odum thinks he’s better than what he is let him go we can get a safety anywhere, the Rams just signed a 40 year old off the couch. Hell sendajo was decent and he’s 40 don’t pay any safety

Go get Aaron Rodgers

Butter 01-26-2022 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 222247)
Go get Aaron Rodgers

Lol, it is just that easy with the few chips the Colts have to put on the table. Besides fuck adding another anti-vax shithead to this team, we have enough.

ChaosTheory 01-26-2022 11:06 AM

Way too early, but interesting... Rodgers talked about future plans on McAfee's show. Seemed like he might try to make a decision before Free Agency starts which is March 16.

He mentioned potential options and said free agency wasn't an option. At first I took that as: he'll either decide to retire or come back to the Packers not another team.

In hindsight... actually I think he's simply saying he's not going to be a free agent, not that he wouldn't consider a trade. By the end McAfee half-joked about him coming to IND. And Green Bay is pushing $41m over the cap, so guys are going to get dumped (Colts are $41m under).

apballin 01-26-2022 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 222266)
Way too early, but interesting... Rodgers talked about future plans on McAfee's show. Seemed like he might try to make a decision before Free Agency starts which is March 16.

He mentioned potential options and said free agency wasn't an option. At first I took that as: he'll either decide to retire or come back to the Packers not another team.

In hindsight... actually I think he's simply saying he's not going to be a free agent, not that he wouldn't consider a trade. By the end McAfee half-joked about him coming to IND. And Green Bay is pushing $41m over the cap, so guys are going to get dumped (Colts are $41m under).

And Rodgers said “yea I’ll come to Indy…….. and make my announcement “

Racehorse 01-29-2022 09:06 AM

Hints are that Brady retires. If so, that makes the QB market favor the QBs and not the teams in need. If Rodgers goes to Denver, that leaves Jordan Love in G. Does that mean GB has their QB, or are they also looking? What if Rodgers retires? Then we have Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson. Do they get traded? If Watson ends up in Miami, do we have a shot at Tua? Do we want Tua?

Then we have these free agents:
Jameis Winston - 28 years old.
Cam Newton - 32 years old. ...
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 39 years old. ...
Teddy Bridgewater - 29 years old. ...
Geno Smith - 31 years old. ...
Tyrod Taylor - 32 years old. ...
Marcus Mariota - 28 years old. ...
Sean Mannion - 29 years old. ...


Winston and Bridgewater have been mentioned on this board as possibilities, but I am not sure either could take us to the SB. It would be really cool if we signed Fitzmagic, and the dude finally made it to the big game and won. However, that is just a band-aid, at 39 years of age.
Lots of QB questions. Should prove to be an interesting off-season.

IndyNorm 01-29-2022 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 221939)
Here are my thoughts on these free agents:
Eric Fisher LT I think he is serviceable, but never looked as good as before. If cheap, maybe sign, but there are a lot of OTs in free agency. It boils down to which ones actually hit free agency and are not tagged.
T.Y. Hilton WR I think he retires, but if he wants another year on a reasonable contract, I would pull the trigger. He was still getting open, but wentz couldn't hit him.
Mark Glowinski RG I think he will be let test the waters. I am okay with this.
Xavier Rhodes CB Might be time to move on. Injuries riddled him this year
Zach Pascal WR One of "our guys", but surely we will find a better replacement, right?
Mo Alie-Cox TE This comes down to two things; Does Dotle retire, and can we lure Ertz.
AQ Muhammad EDGE Dude has earned a new contract.
Sam Tevi LT Bye, Felicia
Isaac Rochell IDL Only if very cheap. Decent rotational piece, but not starter quality
George Odum S Sign him back already. Dude is a baller.
T.J. Carrie CB I am on the fence with him. I could take him or not.
Marlon Mack RB Let him get a contract elsewhere. He won't get snaps here, anyway
Kemoko Turay EDGE Should come fairly cheap, so why not. He can play, and should be totally healthy next year
Julie'n Davenport LT See Tevi above
Chris Reed LG Keep him here. Good team player, and can step in when needed. Those guys are hard to find
Tyquan Lewis EDGE Depends on his medical report. He was coming into his own before the injury
Andrew Sendejo S We looked different without him, so maybe sign him back
Jahleel Addae S Meh
Taylor StallworthIDL I would like to see him stay, if he is reasonable
Michael Badgley K Specs can do what he did, and is already on contract
Antwaun Woods IDL Maybe, maybe not
Ashton Dulin WR He is a ST demon, and showed flashes at WR. Bring him back
Nick Nelson CB Who?
Robert Windsor IDL Not interested
Quartney Davis WR Who?
Matt Pryor RG Like Reed, we need backups who can step in. He needs a contract
Matthew Adams LB Meh
Zaire Franklin LB yes, a new contract is in order
Skai Moore LB Meh
Ibraheim Campbell Pass

This would be approximately 12 guys returning. Add this to the 48 under contract, and we have a decent core. Free agents from other teams next

I mostly agree with what you're saying. We should definitely keep Hilton (if he doesn't retire), Muhammed, Odum, Reed, Stallworth, Dulin, Pryor, and Franklin assuming the money is right on all of them.

It'd be good to keep Turay, Carrie, MAC (if Doyle retires), Sandejo and Pascal (as a number 3/4 WR with an upgrade to at least a better WR2) as well if again the money is right.

Out of principle we should cut Banogu's worthless ass. It will save us $1.3M against the cap and it's absolutely ricockulous that he'll make ~$6M for doing nothing but sit on his ass as a healthy scratch for 4 years.

IndyNorm 01-29-2022 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 222266)
Way too early, but interesting... Rodgers talked about future plans on McAfee's show. Seemed like he might try to make a decision before Free Agency starts which is March 16.

He mentioned potential options and said free agency wasn't an option. At first I took that as: he'll either decide to retire or come back to the Packers not another team.

In hindsight... actually I think he's simply saying he's not going to be a free agent, not that he wouldn't consider a trade. By the end McAfee half-joked about him coming to IND. And Green Bay is pushing $41m over the cap, so guys are going to get dumped (Colts are $41m under).

The folks at ESPN went on and on earlier in the week on how the contract restructure Rodgers forced on GB during training camp gives him all kinds of flexibility to leave in the offseason. But looking at the numbers I just don't see it. He'll be ~$27M in dead cap space if they release/trade him prior to June 1st. Of course GB is $50M over the projected cap, so they're going to have to do something.

Dam8610 01-29-2022 04:41 PM

To me, Rodgers is the only option that will not see Wentz starting for the Colts in 2022, and that's only if his age is a large factor in the negotiation (meaning the price is low). Watson will cost your franchise for the next 3-5 years (especially for the Colts) and he might be suspended for an extended period. Wilson will also cost your franchise for the next 3-5 years and is coming off a very uncharacteristic season at age 32, making him very high risk. That leaves free agents, and while I'd be willing to give Winston a chance, the Colts had that option and opted instead for 39 year old arm falling off Philip Rivers, which says to me that they didn't see him as a starter at that time. The question is given his body of work since, has that opinion changed, and is he enough of an improvement over Wentz to yet again invest over $50 million of the cap into the QB position to hopefully find a somewhat long term solution at the position?

IndyNorm 01-29-2022 06:05 PM

Dam - Are there any Davis Mills types in this upcoming draft that we could target in the mid rounds?

Dam8610 01-29-2022 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 222544)
Dam - Are there any Davis Mills types in this upcoming draft that we could target in the mid rounds?

I haven't had much of a chance to look into the 2022 class yet and I don't know if I will be able to. Mills was an interesting case though, highly talented kid who showed promise on the field but had a bad injury history.

bigalbert 01-29-2022 10:20 PM

Houston has been an organization that seems to make stupid moves to help them dwell in the cellar. They might be dumb enough to trade Watson to a division foe. I want him above anyone else personally. He’s the only guy out there that gives us a chance In The AFC besides Rodgers. Something tells me no way Aaron wants to be in the AFC


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Racehorse 01-30-2022 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 222565)
Houston has been an organization that seems to make stupid moves to help them dwell in the cellar. They might be dumb enough to trade Watson to a division foe. I want him above anyone else personally. He’s the only guy out there that gives us a chance In The AFC besides Rodgers. Something tells me no way Aaron wants to be in the AFC


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I agree...if the legal issues are bogus.

Colts And Orioles 01-30-2022 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 222537)



To me, Rodgers is the only option that will not see Wentz starting for the Colts in 2022, and that's only if his age is a large factor in the negotiation (meaning the price is low.) Watson will cost a team's franchise for the next 3-5 years (especially for the Colts), and he might be suspended for an extended period. Wilson will also cost a team's franchise for the next 3-5 years, and is coming off a very uncharacteristic season at age 32 (making him very high risk.) That leaves free agents, and while I'd be willing to give Winston a chance, the Colts had that option and opted instead for a 39 year-old , arm-falling-off Philip Rivers, which says to me that they didn't see him as a starter at that time. The question is, given his body of work since, has that opinion changed, and is he enough of an improvement over Wentz to yet again invest over $50 million of the cap into the QB position to hopefully find a somewhat long-term solution at the position ???




o


I'm sure that Aaron Rodgers would love nothing more than to make it back to the Super Bowl for only the second time in his career with a new team, which (at least in his own mind) would fuel the argument that his lack of multiple Super Bowl appearances throughout his career was more of a reflection on the teams that he played for than of himself.

o

Dam8610 01-30-2022 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 222565)
Houston has been an organization that seems to make stupid moves to help them dwell in the cellar. They might be dumb enough to trade Watson to a division foe. I want him above anyone else personally. He’s the only guy out there that gives us a chance In The AFC besides Rodgers. Something tells me no way Aaron wants to be in the AFC


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They've turned down offers of 3 first round picks AFTER the allegations to a non-division foe. No way the Colts can get him for anything reasonable.

IndyNorm 01-30-2022 07:44 PM

Well McDickface is going to Vegas. Maybe he'll dump Carr like he did Cutler, and we can benefit from his dumbassness.

Lov2fish 01-30-2022 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 222636)
Well McDickface is going to Vegas. Maybe he'll dump Carr like he did Cutler, and we can benefit from his dumbassness.

Allegedly... See if he shows up.

JAFF 01-30-2022 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 222572)
I agree...if the legal issues are bogus.

How many women need to make an accusation?

This thing stinks, and Watson is a train wreck. Some of those women cant be bought off.

Dewey 5 01-30-2022 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 222549)
I haven't had much of a chance to look into the 2022 class yet and I don't know if I will be able to. Mills was an interesting case though, highly talented kid who showed promise on the field but had a bad injury history.

Carson Strong

Hoopsdoc 01-30-2022 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 222636)
Well McDickface is going to Vegas. Maybe he'll dump Carr like he did Cutler, and we can benefit from his dumbassness.

Rumor is McDouche is a huge Carr fan so this hire means he’s staying. Unless he wants out.

JAFF 01-30-2022 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 222665)
Rumor is McDouche is a huge Carr fan so this hire means he’s staying. Unless he wants out.

Carr is not much of an improvement

IndyNorm 01-30-2022 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 222667)
Carr is not much of an improvement

While Carr might not be great, he's still a significant improvement over Wentz.

Chromeburn 01-31-2022 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 222636)
Well McDickface is going to Vegas. Maybe he'll dump Carr like he did Cutler, and we can benefit from his dumbassness.

I find it fascinating they hired him considering they had front row seats on his dismantling of the broncos.

Chromeburn 01-31-2022 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 222667)
Carr is not much of an improvement

Carr is in the 10-15 range. Wentz is in the 20-25 range.

Racehorse 01-31-2022 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 222644)
How many women need to make an accusation?

This thing stinks, and Watson is a train wreck. Some of those women cant be bought off.

There was a lot of speculation that a lot of these were bought off to make the story appear. The timing is so suspicious. Doesn't make them all untrue, just suspicious, given the timing.

bigalbert 01-31-2022 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 222704)
There was a lot of speculation that a lot of these were bought off to make the story appear. The timing is so suspicious. Doesn't make them all untrue, just suspicious, given the timing.


And if I remember correctly every one of them had the same lawyer? That always reeks. I’ve always thought you should be innocent until proven otherwise and so we wait


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Racehorse 01-31-2022 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 222759)
And if I remember correctly every one of them had the same lawyer? That always reeks. I’ve always thought you should be innocent until proven otherwise and so we wait


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Yes, very fishy!

Brylok 01-31-2022 06:55 PM

Any interest in Leighton Vander Esch?


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