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what avenue do we realistically have to get rid of him. I can't imagine anyone giving us more than a 3 for him.

we could keep him and have him compete with ehlinger and a new rookie. i can't imagine a free agent being brought in.

wentz has to go though. can't win with that clown

Yeah, he's pretty brutal. The fact he can't hit a receiver in stride is really, really bad.

Everyone loved him a few weeks ago.

You can't play great every game. Holmes sucked for 4 weeks in a row.

Next week is going to be a big struggle since the jags always play the colts tough.

Wentz was just awful from the very first snap today. Just brutal.

I’ve been one of his biggest defenders but today was almost as bad as the 2nd Titans game. He was THE reason Indy didn’t win today.

7 pro bowlers

1 mvp candidate

1 DPOY candidate

We can barely make the playoffs. Something is wrong here and I think it’s Wentz. The guy kills more drives with his inaccuracy and bad decisions. All we need is a game manager and he can’t even do that.

reich doesn't really trust him. which holds the offense back.


wentz is inaccurate, bad in the pocket and makes dumb decisions. any playoff wins will be in spite of him.

Reich has been wrong many weeks, too.

I have no idea how we can say Reich doesn't trust him? He let him throw the ball 26 times in a row in a game just a few weeks ago. In the 2 minute today he threw a bunch of passes in a row. Trying to get into the EZ late in the game today he was allowed to throw it. I think he trusts him, I think he trusts him way too F-king much actually.

Was in favor of the trade in the beginning. As he got healthier during the year his play didn't. Even though he wasn't completely responsible for some of our earlier losses (Defense was) He just was never the guy you could count on to drive us down the field. The game gets to big for him and he shrinks. I have never seen a quarterback miss high on throws as much as he does. The receivers constantly have to adjust to get his catches. This cost us so much yac during the year. Hitting a few in stride this year would have been sure touchdowns. Instead they had to come back for the throw, or go down to the ground and get it. Just rarely ever see him hit someone in stride on the numbers. Right now Philly fucking fleeced us out of a pick. Damn, sure wish I was right when I said good trade. Mustard on crow is not that bad.

With all those dudes, and with the number of losses that have come after dominating the TO battle. I see a much bigger problem than QB play.

Yep he was terrible today, blame practice or WTF ever but if he’s not ready might as well roll ellingher out there

Have 2-14 season and the right year of a draft making the right pick.

Unfortunately the Colts best chance at improvement is likely going to be Reich working with Wentz and trying to minimize the bad Wentz as much as possible. Let’s face it - Colts fans have been spoiled by Manning and Luck. This is what most franchises deal with season to season. The Colts can win SBs with Wentz, but it certainly won’t be because of him.

Minimize his mistakes and build a D that can get turnovers, but doesn’t require them to be effective. Add more help at WR and cut down the worst of Wentz. You can win that way. And at this point it is much more likely than finding a franchise QB.

Yeah, Wentz is god awful. What's really bad about the situation is that as he's gotten healthier and more time to gel with the offense he's just gotten worse.

Unfortunately it looks like we're going to be stuck with him for the next year+ :(

We're stuck with hin for at least one more year.

Yeah, as much as I detest him right now, the Colts will roll with him at least one more year. So the best hope is that Reich can correct some of the bad out of him.

That said, I'm not sure what Reich can do about the decision making. The most brain dead play I saw today was Wentz, who admittedly did a spectacular job of escaping out of a sure sack, had a huge lane to run and gain yards. Instead, for some stupid inconceivable reason he decides to pass the ball to a guy who was covered. At the best if that pass is made he's getting tackled for a 10 yard gain. Unless there was a different angle, he could have ran for 10 yards in his sleep at worst, and may have got 20-30 or so.

Yep that play was horrible. So was the throw to Hines in the flat on the final drive, and that, that looked like it was designed and he threw it to the intended WR.... if so, that's not on him, that's on coach for calling such a stupid play right there.

Probably more than 1 year, there wont be a first round draft pick for the coming year. Should the colts go fishing for a FA Qb?

I mean, maybe keep an eye out, but Carson, IMHO, deserves a full offseason/training camp in this system/with the coaches.

running on almost all 1st and 2nd downs. hardly using playaction

the playcalling doesn't show he trusts him fully

He's like the inverse of Rivers. Wentz has the physical tools but seems to lack the processing power. The processing is far more important. Luck thrived with both. People used to call Reich's pass game "state of the art", etc.

I never feel like Wentz has timing with his receivers, not throwing with anticipation. Rarely feels like they're in a flow.

I've loathed the hero ball shit from the jump. The throw to MAC was infuriating. And I'd rather shit in my own hands than see another scrambling, backhanded, 8yd pass attempt to nobody.

No, that's just Reich being a dumbass.

Something else that seems to be a pattern with El Obtuso.

It appears that whenever the run is going good and we get a holding penalty, Obtuso reverts to a passing sequence for several plays thereafter. I don't have any kind of stats to back this but I seem to recall several instances this year, including in this game, where JT pops a nice run but there is a hold and boom we gotta throw some passes as some sort of counter?

I see Omaha's point but to me the bigger issue is trusting Wentz more than he does the line when the evidence is clearly to the contrary. Then again, that's my whole issue with Frank in a nutshell, the whole contrarian style he seems to love.

And for the love of God, yeah Wentz is not very good but why in the absolute F-K do we have such a hard time giving him more than 1.5 seconds of clean pocket to work with?

Well I posted in the game thread without seeing this thread, so I’ll repeat it here.

I don’t begrudge trading for him, we needed a QB, Stafford was too pricey. But we also have to cut our losses. He’s not the guy. You just can’t lean on him when you need a big play to win. He makes crazy plays here and there throughout the season, is a great scrambler and avoids sacks, but just doesn’t make the big throw when you need it. And if your QB can’t do that, then you can’t win consistently and you can’t go deep in the playoffs. That’s plain and simple.

We def don’t need another Manning or Luck, but any number of regular guys would be a big step up here, someone like Goff, Carr, Tannehill, hell even Minshew or Davis Mills would likely be improvements.

That was the second worst decision I remember him making - I was screaming at the TV it was so stupid. The worst however was the throw that ended up a TD to Hilton. Just a horrible decision that worked out.

I don’t think you can ever fully coach the stupid decisions out of him, but I think you can help him minimize them. A lot of his bad decisions come when he’s trying to extend plays. It is extremely rare to see him just truly throw the ball away. Not before he’s been contacted by the D and is throwing it left handed anyway. I think you have to treat him like a rookie and simplify the offense for him unfortunately. Quicker decisions, reading only half the field, etc.

We don’t. He holds the ball too long. He is at about 2.5 second average for holding the ball which is one of the longest in the league. He doesn’t process fast enough or get through his progressions.

Yeah he definitely holds it too long- which I think BOTH can co-exist; i.e= we don't pass pro well and he's too slow to process and I guess that reflects on just how shoddy he is at the job. I know this is a very tough and largely unfair comparison but I think to Peyton in the latter years when the line wasn't very good. Peyton became the most insanely fast read and throw guy I can ever recall seeing. He KNEW the line couldn't give him much time so he got rid of the damn ball. To some extent this is also a reflection on Reich being too effing pig headed to change things up. The PP is bad, the WR's aren't good outside of Pittman, but we still seem to have a ton of outside slow developing routes vs curls, slants, and crosses.

Wentz played like ass and was the biggest simple reason for the Colts loss. The guy is about as accurate as me throwing it with my dick.

Absolutely brutal over throws and under throws.

Like I'm not saying this to be a dick, but I just don't understand how you can constantly be so inaccurate same be an NFL QB.

Please tell me you have never tried that.

If he answers “yes” ask for video evidence

Poor, undisciplined mechanics. Accuracy is largely a function of consistency. Wentz doesn’t have it. Think of how often you see him throwing side arm or while back peddling, etc. He holds the ball and doesn’t throw in rhythm, so he makes too many throws without proper footwork or alignment.

Yes when he made the across the body-across the field throw- mid scramble to the biggest most uncoordinated player we have I was like WTF are you doing???????

I’m officially over the Allie cox experience he has regressed, he’s not a football player and definitely doesn’t wanna take a hit, that fumble after being hit by a DB half his size was pathetic

No, thanks

Jaff wants to see some man meat

I told my brother we win that game by at least 10 points with Philip Rivers. Wentz was just horrible today.

Which really makes me wonder why Reich would lobby to get him in the first place. I'm not going to come off as a Reich hater but really wonder how a guy who had prime Philip Rivers, caught lightning in a bottle for one season with Wentz/Foles, Andrew Luck for one season, and Rivers last year is seen as a QB fixer/guru? He couldn't fix Brissett and 16 games into a sixth season for Wentz he still looks like a rookie a lot of the time. Hope the Colts don't lock him into an expensive extension because he needs to prove it beyond this year's spotty play.

No sense asking you

I will need and ACME RUBBER BAND, but then I promise you I can get the job done!

Luck’s most efficient season was with Reich. Rivers was much better with Reich than he was the previous year in San Diego. Wentz’s best years have been with Reich. Hell, Brisetts best 1/2 season was with Reich. You can’t expect him take a shit starter and turn him into Peyton Manning. Shit don’t work that way. As frustrating as Wentz has been, he’s definitely improved from last year. You hope with a full offseason, no broken foot, and hopefully a full camp that he improves again next year.

As far as why Reich wanted him if he isn’t trusting him. I think Reich believes he can be tamed and the team was looking beyond just this year. He’s not as bad as this game. They can win with him. Time will tell if Reich can continue to mold him.