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kitekrazy 08-06-2017 06:54 PM

Another controversial Kravitz article.
 
Indy fans have spoken on the Kaepernick issue, and what they’re saying is: NO!!!

http://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-...e-saying-is-no


He reaches really hard for similarities.

Many articles are how there where an owner's words don't really match up with their wallet.


There is too much controversy to bring someone like this to a small market. Once again it's also a familiar name we confuse with actually having talent.

But the part that really made me laugh was in his previous article "Kaepernick’s presence would force the Colts’ offensive coaches to do what Jim Harbaugh did so brilliantly in San Francisco; namely, build a college-style offense around him".

Brilliant is not something I would confuse with this coaching staff.

omahacolt 08-07-2017 08:00 AM

He isn't a good fit here. I don't give a shit about his protests

Mr. Session 08-07-2017 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 19676)
He isn't a good fit here. I don't give a shit about his protests

Irsay does.

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Even if the guy's skill set did fit, Jim made it clear with Cromartie and Moore that using this organization as a platform, for that specifically, will not be acceptable.

It's not one of the most "progressive" things The Colts have done but I can understand where Jim is coming from business wise. Indiana is not an especially diverse state and having grown up going to school there, there is an awkward level of ignorance (possibly indifference, but probably probably both) there.

Brylok 08-07-2017 12:19 PM

I'd bet $ that he's better than Tolzien or Morris, but they can't change to a college offense for him. Although it certainly factors in, I'll keep my opinions about Indiana conservatism and racism to myself.

kitekrazy 08-08-2017 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 19706)
I'd bet $ that he's better than Tolzien or Morris, but they can't change to a college offense for him. Although it certainly factors in, I'll keep my opinions about Indiana conservatism and racism to myself.

I have to wonder if the guy wants to play anymore. If I'm his agent, ask him to apologize (no one cares if he means it), stand for the anthem and play some football.

But the coaching change their approach? We're still waiting on that during the Pagano era.

Mr. Session 08-08-2017 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 19706)
I'd bet $ that he's better than Tolzien or Morris, but they can't change to a college offense for him.

You would bet money that Kaepernick is a better professional than Tolzien or Morris, but only if Indianapolis was running a "college" (amatuer) offense?

VeveJones007 08-08-2017 09:19 AM

He's a better player than Tolzien, but let's be honest, aren't the Colts better off in the long run losing 9-10 games this year? Pagano would be gone and Ballard would have better picks to work with to continue rebuilding.

At a certain point you're better off with the semi-tank job than settling for a 3rd straight season of mediocrity.

Brylok 08-08-2017 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 19819)
You would bet money that Kaepernick is a better professional than Tolzien or Morris, but only if Indianapolis was running a "college" (amatuer) offense?

A "professional" Tolzien might win 2-3 games on this schedule. I think they'd get more production from Kaepernick. Tolzien sucks. Morris has some potential but isn't anywhere close to starting NFL QB level.

omahacolt 08-08-2017 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kitekrazy (Post 19812)
I have to wonder if the guy wants to play anymore. If I'm his agent, ask him to apologize (no one cares if he means it), stand for the anthem and play some football.

But the coaching change their approach? We're still waiting on that during the Pagano era.

He has nothing to apologize for

Butter 08-08-2017 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 19877)
He has nothing to apologize for

Maybe for some pretty mediocre QB play.

Pez 08-09-2017 11:50 AM

I think he should apologize to the 49ers for using their team for his own personal means to make a statement.

He could make the statement elsewhere and likely be more effective. Add to that he isn't that great of a QB but had a good season once.

Case in point, Spike Lee sent out a tweet for a "Kapernick" rally. So the guy that is trying to rally behind his cause doesn't even know how to spell his name. He's a tool and will be remembered for kneeling, not for playing. Is that really the legacy he wants?

At the end of the day, when he started this protest business, he was a misguided, rich, dumb 20 something kid.

VeveJones007 08-10-2017 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 20007)
I think he should apologize to the 49ers for using their team for his own personal means to make a statement.

He could make the statement elsewhere and likely be more effective. Add to that he isn't that great of a QB but had a good season once.

Case in point, Spike Lee sent out a tweet for a "Kapernick" rally. So the guy that is trying to rally behind his cause doesn't even know how to spell his name. He's a tool and will be remembered for kneeling, not for playing. Is that really the legacy he wants?

At the end of the day, when he started this protest business, he was a misguided, rich, dumb 20 something kid.

Did you read or listen to his comments on the subject? The guy is very thoughtful and it's hard to come away believing that he is "dumb."

IndyNorm 08-10-2017 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 20111)
Did you read or listen to his comments on the subject? The guy is very thoughtful and it's hard to come away believing that he is "dumb."

He was dumb enough (or hypocritical enough) to wear a Castro shirt while trying to speak out against oppression and then later on tried to praise the man rather than just admit he's a dumbass.

Anyway aside from all of that, as pointed out earlier in the thread Kravitz states why this would be a terrible move early in the column. You don't completely revamp your offensive scheme to cater to a stop gap QB.

VeveJones007 08-10-2017 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 20201)
He was dumb enough (or hypocritical enough) to wear a Castro shirt while trying to speak out against oppression and then later on tried to praise the man rather than just admit he's a dumbass.

Anyway aside from all of that, as pointed out earlier in the thread Kravitz states why this would be a terrible move early in the column. You don't completely revamp your offensive scheme to cater to a stop gap QB.

Totally fair to criticize him for Castro, the pig socks, etc. I just think calling him "dumb" about the protest is poor form.

dwilli57 08-11-2017 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 20230)
Totally fair to criticize him for Castro, the pig socks, etc. I just think calling him "dumb" about the protest is poor form.

He was dumb enough to jeopardize a one-in-a-million career with his personal agenda.

kitekrazy 08-11-2017 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dwilli57 (Post 20258)
He was dumb enough to jeopardize a one-in-a-million career with his personal agenda.

It seems like a lesson few learn in any entertainment industry.

IndyNorm 08-12-2017 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 20230)
Totally fair to criticize him for Castro, the pig socks, etc. I just think calling him "dumb" about the protest is poor form.

Fair enough.

Something that never gets brought up in the media when they go on about him getting black listed is that he opted out of $14.5M this year, which tells me that he thinks (or at least thought) that he was still a starter and should be paid starting QB $s. If he's not willing to take a lower dollar backup QB deal then he's going to have trouble getting onto a roster even without all of the other stuff factored in.


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