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AlwaysSunnyinIndy 08-30-2021 01:19 PM

More Colts added to COVID Reserve List - Wentz, Kelly, and Pascal
 
Not what I wanted to see today - this will not help Wentz and Kelly get ready for Week 1.

These moves may impact the final 53 man roster decisions - or rather, delay some decisions because the Colts will get an extra roster spot to replace each COVID reserve player.

https://twitter.com/Colts/status/1432391780675244032

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We have placed C Ryan Kelly, WR Zach Pascal and QB Carson Wentz on the Reserve/COVID-19 list.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...02821962518531

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The three players the Colts placed on the Reserve/COVID-19 list today -- QB Carson Wentz, WR Zach Pascal and C Ryan Kelly -- are all close contacts with a staff member who tested positive, per source. Back in five days as long as they remain negative and asymptomatic.
https://twitter.com/jimayello/status...93297302073351

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On Carson Wentz, this was supposed to be a big week for him in terms of his recovery. The Colts wanted to see him string together back-to-back days of full practice and gauge how the foot responded.

That can't happen now. Not this week.

Oldcolt 08-30-2021 01:47 PM

Maybe I’m just paranoid but the lack is vaccinated players is going to make a run at the title all but impossible. Wentz, if he isn’t vaccinated-and seeing him always in a mask makes me believe he isn’t- is going to be extremely difficult to overcome. Every time he comes in contact with COVID it’s 5 more days without practice-something he desperately needs. I am beginning to believe this team is going to go nowhere fast. Nelson isn’t vaccinated (if he had been he wouldn’t have been quarantined for 5 days) Leonard appears not to be either. Hard enough to deal with injuries much less this shit

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 08-30-2021 01:55 PM

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...00457423597580

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Asked Frank Reich on Friday night if Nelson's situation drove home the fact that being unvaccinated could cause guys to miss a game as a close contact.

His response: "I don't like to play that card, but it is what it is. So yes, it does show that."
https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...00950703104001

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More Reich: "We'll continue to educate the players. I still respect, greatly respect, the choice that each individual player has. We'll continue to educate and give whatever counsel we can. We recommend that every player should be vaccinated, but we respect individual choice."

rm1369 08-30-2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 200337)
Maybe I’m just paranoid but the lack is vaccinated players is going to make a run at the title all but impossible. Wentz, if he isn’t vaccinated-and seeing him always in a mask makes me believe he isn’t- is going to be extremely difficult to overcome. Every time he comes in contact with COVID it’s 5 more days without practice-something he desperately needs. I am beginning to believe this team is going to go nowhere fast. Nelson isn’t vaccinated (if he had been he wouldn’t have been quarantined for 5 days) Leonard appears not to be either. Hard enough to deal with injuries much less this shit

Not paranoid - realistic. It’s going to be a lost season.

nate505 08-30-2021 02:07 PM

Awesome, the least vaccinated team in the league strikes again!

Puck 08-30-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 200337)
Maybe I’m just paranoid but the lack is vaccinated players is going to make a run at the title all but impossible. Wentz, if he isn’t vaccinated-and seeing him always in a mask makes me believe he isn’t- is going to be extremely difficult to overcome. Every time he comes in contact with COVID it’s 5 more days without practice-something he desperately needs. I am beginning to believe this team is going to go nowhere fast. Nelson isn’t vaccinated (if he had been he wouldn’t have been quarantined for 5 days) Leonard appears not to be either. Hard enough to deal with injuries much less this shit

Nelson would have still been quarantined. Just like Reich was and just like Kelly is now

Puck 08-30-2021 02:18 PM

I am correcting myself. I thought Nelson tested positive. He was only in close contact. So he wouldn’t have missed time.

Hoopsdoc 08-30-2021 02:30 PM

I’m starting to get the feeling that this whole Wentz experiment is going to be a disaster. It’s sure as hell not starting out very well.

Jerryklimczuk 08-30-2021 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 200349)
I’m starting to get the feeling that this whole Wentz experiment is going to be a disaster. It’s sure as hell not starting out very well.

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup, not looking good thats for sure. I was so disappointed when I heard they picked him up. Mr. Glass.

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AlwaysSunnyinIndy 08-30-2021 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 200348)
I am correcting myself. I thought Nelson tested positive. He was only in close contact. So he wouldn’t have missed time.

Keefer retracted his earlier comment - he now indicates that Kelly is not fully vaccinated.

So that means that Nelson, Kelly, Wentz and Pascal will all miss a mandatory 5 days due to being a close contact with someone and not being vaccinated.
Nelson was lucky - his timing included the last preseason game and the weekend so he didn't miss any significant practice time. Kelly, Wentz and Pascal weren't so lucky and will miss a significant amount of practice leading up to Week 1 - especially for Kelly and Wentz coming off their injuries.

CaliColtsFan 08-30-2021 03:38 PM

Arrrrgh! ....soo Frustrating!!

Oldcolt 08-30-2021 04:05 PM

What I find kinda bizarre is that so many of the so called team leaders, the vocal team first guys are unvaccinated. Makes me wonder about all this psychological stuff we do. What exactly are they looking for? Leadership like this ain’t for shit.

CaliColtsFan 08-30-2021 05:32 PM

Also bizarre is how NFL players will take some pretty strong, dangerous, toxic and addictive pain killers so readily and often; Drugs that show up in you liver and kidneys almost immediately after ingesting or injection. Drugs legal and otherwise that have been proven to cause long-term damage and cause addictions that have ruined careers and even lives, yet have such an issue with an FDA approved vaccination...

apballin 08-30-2021 05:50 PM

Good thing there’s an extra week after the last preseason game this year

Brylok 08-30-2021 05:57 PM

Nice leadership Wentz, ya shit.

daedge 08-30-2021 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 200337)
Maybe I’m just paranoid but the lack is vaccinated players is going to make a run at the title all but impossible. Wentz, if he isn’t vaccinated-and seeing him always in a mask makes me believe he isn’t- is going to be extremely difficult to overcome. Every time he comes in contact with COVID it’s 5 more days without practice-something he desperately needs. I am beginning to believe this team is going to go nowhere fast. Nelson isn’t vaccinated (if he had been he wouldn’t have been quarantined for 5 days) Leonard appears not to be either. Hard enough to deal with injuries much less this shit

Kelly also isn't vaccinated.

HoosierinFL 08-30-2021 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 200384)
Nice leadership Wentz, ya shit.

Lol I just got permabanned from the /r/Colts subreddit for saying he was an idiot.

rcubed 08-30-2021 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliColtsFan (Post 200381)
Also bizarre is how NFL players will take some pretty strong, dangerous, toxic and addictive pain killers so readily and often; Drugs that show up in you liver and kidneys almost immediately after ingesting or injection. Drugs legal and otherwise that have been proven to cause long-term damage and cause addictions that have ruined careers and even lives, yet have such an issue with an FDA approved vaccination...

cause the government is out to get you.

Oldcolt 08-30-2021 07:06 PM

Be interesting to see if this 5 day ban has any affect on Colt vaccination rate. This is going to be a tough team to root for if they lose games because of pure stupidity. The NFL has made it crystal clear that they are going to put you at competitive disadvantage for not getting vaccinated. Plus this Wentz idiot is now the face of the franchise. Jeez how shitty is that?

apballin 08-30-2021 07:17 PM

Once again I’ll quote the great Tony Dungy here “We’re gonna be fine”

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 08-30-2021 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 200397)
Be interesting to see if this 5 day ban has any affect on Colt vaccination rate.


The vaccination rate will likely be going down tomorrow. The Colts were at about 75% vaccinated at the 90 player roster limit. Once the team is down to the 53 man roster + 16 player practice squad, the vaccination rate will probably be around 70%, maybe even slightly below it.

Oldcolt 08-30-2021 10:20 PM

I was wondering if it might motivate these guys to get vaccinated once they feel the consequences and see the effect it will have in the team. COVID is rampant throughout the country. It seems impossible that players won’t come in contact with COVID positive individuals. It was theoretical, it isn’t anymore

JAFF 08-30-2021 10:22 PM

Unfortunately, the time to get a vaccination was 2 months ago, for Moderna, and a month ago for the J & J.

It takes time for a vaccine to stimulate the immune system and build resistance.

Gregg Doyle pitched a nutty on RATS abut these players and their choices

Oldcolt 08-30-2021 10:29 PM

[QUOTE=JAFF;200414]Unfortunately, the time to get a vaccination was 2 months ago, for Moderna, and a month ago for the J & J.

It takes time for a vaccine to stimulate the immune system and build resistance.



Agreed. However having folks vaccinated and immune by October is better than not.

Dam8610 08-30-2021 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 200414)
Unfortunately, the time to get a vaccination was 2 months ago, for Moderna, and a month ago for the J & J.

It takes time for a vaccine to stimulate the immune system and build resistance.

Gregg Doyle pitched a nutty on RATS abut these players and their choices

Every vaccine has a period of 2 weeks to be considered immune according to everything I've read and heard.

Workhorse 08-30-2021 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 200418)
Every vaccine has a period of 2 weeks to be considered immune according to everything I've read and heard.

Two weeks after the final dose.

Workhorse 08-30-2021 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 200364)
What I find kinda bizarre is that so many of the so called team leaders, the vocal team first guys are unvaccinated. Makes me wonder about all this psychological stuff we do. What exactly are they looking for? Leadership like this ain’t for shit.

Kelly said he is vaxed, just FYI.

rm1369 08-30-2021 11:22 PM

It is really hard for me to think this won’t have an affect in the locker room. I can’t look at someone the same way knowing they are so ignorant or selfish they refuse to get vaccinated. Got to wonder what a guy like Buckner REALLY thinks about shit like this. I can’t imagine being in a locker room with so many supposed “team leaders” risking the season. Especially knowing Covid cost them a division title last year.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 08-30-2021 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Workhorse (Post 200420)
Kelly said he is vaxed, just FYI.


However, Ryan Kelly was placed on the COVID reserve list for being a close contact.

That would indicate that either:
1) he has not received both doses of a two dose vaccine
2) he is not documented as fully vaccinated due to timing - 14 days haven't elapsed after the final dose
3) he is not vaccinated after all.

JAFF 08-31-2021 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 200418)
Every vaccine has a period of 2 weeks to be considered immune according to everything I've read and heard.

Partial immunity after two weeks for most. I got a second dose of moderna after a month, so that got me to full immunity two weeks later.

The Johnson gets you to partial in 2 weeks, but is only about 77% of total immunity on average,

Because of variants, booster shots will be necessary, and you will be elgible after 8 months

https://www.healthline.com/health/ho...are-you-immune

Ironshaft 08-31-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 200421)
... I can’t look at someone the same way knowing they are so ignorant or selfish they refuse to get vaccinated...

Because there is NO other reason that someone might be hesitant on getting the vaccine other than ignorance or being selfish.... :rolleyes: No legitimate medical concerns are valid.... :rolleyes:

The totalitarian nature of many on this board about the lives of their modern day gladiators is breathtaking.

nate505 08-31-2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Workhorse (Post 200420)
Kelly said he is vaxed, just FYI.

I'll automatically assume people who say they are, are, and those who won't say it at all are not.

I have a Measles/Mumps/Rubella vaccine. I can't remember a time where I was ever afraid to tell the world I had it.

HoosierinFL 08-31-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 200443)
Because there is NO other reason that someone might be hesitant on getting the vaccine other than ignorance or being selfish.... :rolleyes: No legitimate medical concerns are valid.... :rolleyes:

The totalitarian nature of many on this board about the lives of their modern day gladiators is breathtaking.

Not very many legitimate reasons.
I'm qualified to read the science and understand the data. The side effects are incredibly mild. Serious side effects are incredibly rare. It is not, as many want to say, some sort of "brand new technology" as it has been researched for 15 years since the first SARS outbreak.

And its worth pointing out that many who of the same people who want to distrust medical science on this are perfectly willing to take the dangerous and ineffective drugs like hydroxycholoroquine and ivermectin. This reveals that the real issue is not a legitimate scientific skepticism but partisan rejection based on some misguided notion of liberty. The fact that you invoked totalitarianism just because someone (me) might think another person is an idiot and fool for not getting the vaccine reveals the partisan and politicization of this. I'm not the government, I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything. But the mere fact that you don't *legally have to* take the vaccine is not a reason to not take the vaccine. You should do it because you choose to do it, because it is both the responsible and intelligent thing to do. And if you can't understand that, if you can't trust standard legitimate medical science, then your politics are leading you down a road of foolishness.

The fact that the mods of the Colts subreddit permabanned me for this sentiment is far more totalitarian than anyone trying to halt a significant public health threat.

Oldcolt 08-31-2021 05:49 PM

Reich had an interview today where he discussed vaccinations. He and Ballard are completely for the team getting them. They think it is good medically and give the teams with the most vaccinated players a competitive advantage. They have been clear with Colt players. The concern with requiring them is long term. They are trying to build to compete year in and year out. Player resentment can make that difficult (Green Bay). It appears they have chosen to take short term lumps (I read that as if they need to screw this season because of COVID so be it) to insure the long term happiness of the players. I understand their position. I don't think it will work out well for us either short term or long term. I don't know how players that are vaccinated like Buckner are going to be pleased with players like Wentz if and when he misses games because of his vaccine views. It is bound to cause turmoil.

I am commenting only on the effect vaccinationing or not will have on this team from a football standpoint. I don't think I am qualified to judge personal decisions of people I don't even know (and I've been a practicing physician for over 35 years). I am vaccinated as is my entire family. This harms the Colts from a football perspective, and that pisses me off.

JAFF 08-31-2021 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 200451)
I'll automatically assume people who say they are, are, and those who won't say it at all are not.

I have a Measles/Mumps/Rubella vaccine. I can't remember a time where I was ever afraid to tell the world I had it.

I can tell you that probably saved you a lot of health issues. I’m old enough to say I had the mumps and measles and they were horrible. A student in the school I attended in elementary died from the mumps.

I was never so sick in my life since having mumps and measles they were a motherfucker

JAFF 08-31-2021 06:00 PM

There are other reasons why a person should get the vaccine.

Love thy neighbor. The hospitals are full with Covid patients. People with other serious medical conditions are having problems getting care. The hospital workers from the doctors all the way down to the people mopping the floors are exhausted.

The nurses the doctors the people doing the paperwork are all at risk in a giant building filled with the virus. And if we can’t get people to go get vaccinated this will drag on.

And for those people who think taking a parasite drug meant for cows and horses, because some idiot on the Internet said it was a good idea, go fuck yourself. Going to the farm and fleet and getting medicine meant for a horse is about the dumbest damn thing I’ve ever heard. This is natural selection you’re too damn stupid to survive.

I know that’s harsh and I’m at the point now where I don’t care anymore.

Hoopsdoc 08-31-2021 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 200550)
There are other reasons why a person should get the vaccine.

Love thy neighbor. The hospitals are full with Covid patients. People with other serious medical conditions are having problems getting care. The hospital workers from the doctors all the way down to the people mopping the floors are exhausted.

The nurses the doctors the people doing the paperwork are all at risk in a giant building filled with the virus. And if we can’t get people to go get vaccinated this will drag on.

And for those people who think taking a parasite drug meant for cows and horses, because some idiot on the Internet said it was a good idea, go fuck yourself. Going to the farm and fleet and getting medicine meant for a horse is about the dumbest damn thing I’ve ever heard. This is natural selection you’re too damn stupid to survive.

I know that’s harsh and I’m at the point now where I don’t care anymore.

I’m by no means an anti vaxer(fully vaccinated), but I tend to have a little more sympathy for people who are hesitant.

Personally, I know 3 people who have had serious reactions to the moderna vaccine, including a co worker who nearly died from blood clots, which she was told were a direct result of the vaccine. FWIW, she’s 36 and in excellent health and now she’s on blood thinners for at least 6 months.

Brylok 08-31-2021 06:45 PM

I had chickenpox when I was a kid. The week I turn 50, I plan to get the shingles vaccine. It's still a few years away, but y'all are free to suffer from shingles if that's your choice.

nate505 08-31-2021 07:08 PM

This season is probably fucked. When the QB, aka the most pivotal position on the team, is an anti vaxxer, this most likely won't be the first time this happens.

If it does, hopefully he can at least miss 25% or whatever of the season so the Colts can use a first round pick and draft a QB with brains.

CaliColtsFan 08-31-2021 07:19 PM

I doubt that this is the only time all season Wentz misses time because of Covid-19.
With Elhlinger out 6 weeks, I'm surprised they cut Hundley.


*perhaps HotRod will come in at QB if Eason gets hurt :cool:


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