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Oldcolt 07-16-2021 10:27 AM
Vaccination rate
 
Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 07-16-2021 10:42 AM
Yeah, I saw that. I wonder if the Colts are planning a mass vaccination clinic at the start of training camp to improve those numbers.

The NFL and the Players association have adopted rules for this season that give some benefits and competitive advantages to the players / teams that are vaccinated.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-nflpa-a...camp-preseason

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With mandatory minicamps coming to a close around the NFL, the league and the NFL Players Association have come to an agreement for COVID-19 protocols for training camps and preseason games, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Wednesday via an NFL memo.

Foremost among protocols is how different the preseason will be for players and individuals who are vaccinated and who are not fully vaccinated.

For those fully vaccinated, there will be no daily testing, whereas those who are not fully vaccinated must be tested every day. It will be the same for face coverings, with none required if fully vaccinated and mandated at club facility and team travel if not.

Individuals who are not fully vaccinated, including players, will be prohibited from gathering outside club facilities or team travel. NFL players who are not fully vaccinated will be barred from going to nightclubs, bars, house parties, concerts, etc. Failure to follow the protocols could result in fines of $50,000 for a first offense.

One difference that Pelissero notes could have major competitive implications is that fully vaccinated individuals who have been exposed to a coronavirus-positive person will not be labeled a high-risk close contact, so they will not be subject to a mandatory five-day isolation.

Coaches and staff members who are not fully vaccinated -- and do not have religious or medical exemptions -- will not be eligible for Tier 1 or 2 status in training camp and will therefore not be allowed to work in-person with players. Strength and conditioning coaches, for instance, must be fully vaccinated to be in a weight room with players. If it's an indoor weight room, players who are not fully vaccinated must work out with their masks on. For coaches who are fully vaccinated, there will no longer be face coverings required, which was a hallmark of the 2020 season, such as Chiefs head coach Andy Reid's face shield or other coaches being fined for not always wearing theirs.

For all unvaccinated individuals during travel, gathering with outside guests in hotel rooms, seeing family and friends, etc. is prohibited.

There will also be significant changes for members of the media and fans.

Fully vaccinated media members will be allowed to conduct in-person interviews, which was prohibited throughout the 2020 season. In contrast, media members who are not fully vaccinated are disallowed access to the press box, field, sidelines and locker rooms.

Though fans will not be allowed to interact with players, they are allowed to attend training camps. They must remain more than 20 feet from Tier 1 staff, including players, and adhere to physical distancing.

omahacolt 07-16-2021 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 196709)
Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?
For sure it will

rcubed 07-16-2021 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 196709)
Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?

Agree. It will be an issue at some point.


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TheMugwump 07-16-2021 02:57 PM
Unless they get those vaccines, yeah, it's going to be a major issue.

Brylok 07-16-2021 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 196709)
Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?
I think it will, and I'll be pissed. Especially if it causes a loss or a loss of key players/personnel for significant amounts of time. The NFL should grow a set and tell everyone to get vaccinated or you don't coach/play. This being 'Murica, it obviously won't happen. Good luck out there.

JAFF 07-16-2021 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 196728)
I think it will, and I'll be pissed. Especially if it causes a loss or a loss of key players/personnel for significant amounts of time. The NFL should grow a set and tell everyone to get vaccinated or you don't coach/play. This being 'Murica, it obviously won't happen. Good luck out there.
Right now, the only people who are dying from covid is the unvaccinated. There are vaccinated people who get sick, but they are not being hospitalized.

Oldcolt 07-16-2021 05:17 PM
I want to be clear that I think these guys have the right to refuse a vaccine. If 50% of our guys are not vaccinated, and the predominant strain is this Delta variant, we would be incredibly lucky to only have one or two guys miss time. If one guy gets infected multiple are most likely. The chance someone getting infected, with all the travel involved, over the term of the season is not low. It will be interesting, once the team is together as one, to see if any pressure is placed on these guys. If it is close and one guy is vaccinated and the other isn't it could, and should, have an impact on who gets cut.

Ironshaft 07-16-2021 05:34 PM
It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?

apballin 07-16-2021 06:12 PM
I don’t like hearing that but I guess it depends on which players are in the 50% that are vaccinated. We lost game 2 vs the Titans because of 2 key guys being out for Covid protocol so yea to each their own but that’s leaving a lot of shit to chance, I know Buckner is on record saying he’s vaccinated so that’s good

Colts And Orioles 07-16-2021 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 196739)



It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?
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I have been vaccinated, and I would highly recommend vaccination for anybody who asked me about it ...... but I agree, it is their right not to do so. I wouldn't want a can of worms opened that would force any kind of medical treatment on a person who did not want it.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, that's for sure.

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apballin 07-16-2021 06:51 PM
Same here I got vaccinated after a lot of thought and as much research I could do and decided it was best for me. No side effects or anything I feel fine didn’t have to miss or leave work, no sick or weak feelings, I was fine

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 07-16-2021 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 196737)
If it is close and one guy is vaccinated and the other isn't it could, and should, have an impact on who gets cut.
Teams have to be careful about that, however.

Earlier this off season, Buffalo Bills GM Brandon Beane stated that he would absolutely release any player that was not vaccinated. He thought that if the majority of the team's players and staff were vaccinated, it would be a competitive advantage.

Well, the league was pretty quick to address those comments. They let Beane know that you cannot release a player because of vaccination status.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...19247400112140

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The NFL spoke with Bills GM Brandon Beane this week following his comments regarding releasing an unvaccinated player, per league source. A team may not release a player solely due to vaccination status.
The Players Association also made some comments shortly afterwards indicating that they would be watching teams to see if they make any such cuts.

JAFF 07-16-2021 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 196745)
Teams have to be careful about that, however.

Earlier this off season, Buffalo Bills GM Brandon Beane stated that he would absolutely release any player that was not vaccinated. He thought that if the majority of the team's players and staff were vaccinated, it would be a competitive advantage.

Well, the league was pretty quick to address those comments. They let Beane know that you cannot release a player because of vaccination status.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...19247400112140



The Players Association also made some comments shortly afterwards indicating that they would be watching teams to see if they make any such cuts.
Right now, the only victims of covid are the unvaccinated. Ron White made people laugh with, “you cant fix stupid”. Now, not so much

Chromeburn 07-16-2021 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 196709)
Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?
Yes. Covid already cost us a game and probably the division. This will be a pain next season.

Butter 07-16-2021 10:32 PM
Fuck Darius Leonard.

Racehorse 07-17-2021 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 196748)
Fuck Darius Leonard.
Am I missing something here?

Oldcolt 07-17-2021 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 196751)
Am I missing something here?
I think Leonard has been outspoken about his anti-vaccination belief.

YDFL Commish 07-17-2021 10:47 AM
Ballard always goes on about how he has a team of unselfish, team first players on the Colts.

Apparently that is a bunch of BS.

Racehorse 07-17-2021 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 196754)
I think Leonard has been outspoken about his anti-vaccination belief.
I guess it is okay for players to give opinions so long as they are the ones Butter agrees with.

rm1369 07-17-2021 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 196756)
I guess it is okay for players to give opinions so long as they are the ones Butter agrees with.
It’s ok for fans to give their opinion just as it is for players to give theirs. I won’t say fuck Leonard, but I will say I find his opinion ignorant and selfish (from a societal prospective even more than a sports one). And it is unfortunate such an outspoken “team leader” holds such views IMO. I fully expect it to cost the team. Leonard is certainly free to his opinion and control of his body. And I’m free to think less of him because of it. I’m sure he’s not concerned.

Oldcolt 07-17-2021 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 196755)
Ballard always goes on about how he has a team of unselfish, team first players on the Colts.

Apparently that is a bunch of BS.
That is one reason I will be interested in if there is any change in attitude once they all get together. I'm not ready to make any judgement just yet. Does anyone else think that this will be a test of this great locker room Ballard thinks he has built? If we remain the one of the lowest vaccinated teams that kind of says Ballard's idea of what a great locker room is isn't so great, at least in insuring you have the best chance at winning.

Butter 07-17-2021 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 196756)
I guess it is okay for players to give opinions so long as they are the ones Butter agrees with.
Or you know facts and science.

Spike 07-18-2021 10:35 AM
Posting this just for the hell of it. Dumb asses!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nUn1_uVTxo

apballin 07-18-2021 12:45 PM
So are they still gonna get daily testing?

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 07-18-2021 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 196772)
So are they still gonna get daily testing?
Under the current rules, if the player is not vaccinated, he will need to take daily COVID tests and wear masks 100% of the time during team activities.

If the player is fully vaccinated, he doesn't need to take daily COVID tests and is not required to wear masks.

JAFF 07-18-2021 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 196771)
Posting this just for the hell of it. F the democrats and the republicans. Dumb asses!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nUn1_uVTxo

The vaccine isnt perfect. You can still catch it. The chances of hospitalization and or death drops into single digits with the vaccine. They were right about getting. Vaccinated, should have been more careful about distancing.

Right now, all over the country, people are still dying of covid, and 99% of them are unvaccinated.

Cant fix stupid

Oldcolt 07-18-2021 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 196776)
The vaccine isnt perfect. You can still catch it. The chances of hospitalization and or death drops into single digits with the vaccine. They were right about getting. Vaccinated, should have been more careful about distancing.

Right now, all over the country, people are still dying of covid, and 99% of them are unvaccinated.

Cant fix stupid
All of us suffer from believing our thoughts. Can't fix being human.

Chromeburn 07-18-2021 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 196776)
The vaccine isnt perfect. You can still catch it. The chances of hospitalization and or death drops into single digits with the vaccine. They were right about getting. Vaccinated, should have been more careful about distancing.

Right now, all over the country, people are still dying of covid, and 99% of them are unvaccinated.

Cant fix stupid
We politicized a epidemic. It should be a medical argument only. The unvaccinated are at the highest risk, but this variant attacks children as well and we are about to start the new school season. Which means children of unvaccinated will be mixing with other children.

Also, the longer we drag this out, more chance a new mutation will pop up that the vaccine won’t cover. We are our own worst enemy.

Dam8610 07-18-2021 04:56 PM
The NFL is a collective of private businesses that can refuse service to any customer and release any employee, just like any other business. It's smart business for them to put a vaccine mandate in place, as it is going to protect their business interests the most. This falls under player conduct, and we all saw the enforcement muscle Goodell flexed when he first became commissioner in regards to player conduct. He should grow the balls to do it again (and ban Brady and Belicheat while he's at it), but he won't.

Oldcolt 07-18-2021 05:17 PM
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The protocols the NFL has in place for unvaccinated players will impact this team. We will be playing at a huge disadvantage compared to vaccinated teams. They include

Testing required every day

masks required at club facility and during travel

Quarantine after high risk exposure to COVID

Travel restrictions in effect

15 player limit in weight room

Physical distance in meal room; may not eat with team.

No social/media/marketing sponsorship activities permitted

May not use sauna/steam room

May not leave team hotel to eat in restaurants; may not interact with anyone
outside of Team Traveling Party during team travel

JAFF 07-18-2021 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 196777)
All of us suffer from believing our thoughts. Can't fix being human.
That is not true. Believing evidence and health officials who as physicians have sworn to do no harm, is intelligence. Its what we strive for as a species. Being intellectually lazy is not an excuse.

YDFL Commish 07-18-2021 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 196779)
We politicized a epidemic. It should be a medical argument only. The unvaccinated are at the highest risk, but this variant attacks children as well and we are about to start the new school season. Which means children of unvaccinated will be mixing with other children.

Also, the longer we drag this out, more chance a new mutation will pop up that the vaccine won’t cover. We are our own worst enemy.
The longer we can drag this out, means the more it can politicized into future elections.

It's really sad that we can't come together as a country at a time of need. I'm fairly certain that the current generation could not have polarized and in a non-bipartisan way to do the right thing, during trying times like WW II, or any other crisis we have faced in the last 60+ years.

JAFF 07-18-2021 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 196784)
The longer we can drag this out, means the more it can politicized into future elections.

It's really sad that we can't come together as a country at a time of need. I'm fairly certain that the current generation could not have polarized and in a non-bipartisan way to do the right thing, during trying times like WW II, or any other crisis we have faced in the last 60+ years.
And its over vaccinations? The only cases of mumps or measles in this country over the past 10 years has been brought in from outside the country. Polio and small pox have managed and eradicated by vaccination. Indiana kids are required to have over 10 vaccinations to attend school.

We have gone backwards as a civilization. Next thing the GOP will claim is that they saw Lizzy Proctor speaking with the devil.

Colts And Orioles 07-18-2021 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 196785)



And its over vaccinations? The only cases of mumps or measles in this country over the past 10 years has been brought in from outside the country. Polio and small pox have managed and eradicated by vaccination. Indiana kids are required to have over 10 vaccinations to attend school.

We have gone backwards as a civilization. The next thing that the GOP will claim is that they saw Lizzie Proctor speaking with the Devil.
o


Change that to Lizzie Borden, and they may be onto something.


o

HoosierinFL 07-19-2021 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 196739)
It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?
Sure, it just happens to be a choice that isn't just personal. it affects others. Its a demonstrably *bad* choice.

woodyscolts 07-19-2021 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 196739)
It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?
Yeah except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors!

JAFF 07-19-2021 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by woodyscolts (Post 196804)
Yeah except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors!
I have an adult daughter with an auto immune issue. She has been vaccinated, but is still high risk.

No vaccination, ok. Wear a mask, every choice has a cost.

HoosierinFL 07-19-2021 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 196777)
All of us suffer from believing our thoughts. Can't fix being human.
There is always a significant difference between knowing and believing. We may know that the earth turns, but we believe, as we say, that the sun rises. We know by evidence, or by trust in people who have examined the evidence in a way that we trust is trustworthy. We may sometimes be persuaded to believe by reason, but within the welter of our experience reason is limited and weak. We believe always by coming, in some sense, to see. We believe in what is apparent, in what we can imagine or "picture" in our minds, in what we feel to be true, in what our hearts tell us, in experience, in stories - above all, perhaps, in stories.

Colts And Orioles 07-19-2021 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by woodyscolts (Post 196804)



Yeah, except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors !!!
o

This line of thought reminds me somewhat of the argument in regard to smoking cigarettes around other people ...... having the right to smoke cigarettes should not include the right to smoke them in front of other people, especially within indoor public environments. I'm glad that the smoking laws are much stricter now than they were 40 years ago.

It's not entirely the same exact thing as the COVID vaccination argument, but it is similar.

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