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Spike 03-03-2021 10:46 PM

2021 NFL Free Agents: Top available at each position
 
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/t...each-position/

Free agents who could potentially help our Colts. I have no clue who the Colts will be targeting, but there are some excellent players on the market.

Puck 03-04-2021 01:05 AM

QB's. none

RB's. Not on the list but I'd say Mack

WR. Hilton or Golladay on this list Godwin not on the list

TE. Jonnu Smith and not on the list Ertz Doyle maybe

Oline. Villanueva

Defense. Von Miller. Ingram and not on the list Rhodes and Houston


I obviously know they won't sign them all But I think this is a pretty good list

Oldcolt 03-04-2021 02:51 AM

Don't have any idea what Ballard is planning. If we are going to spend I would like it to be wide receiver or edge. Think Ballard and team is great at drafting offensive lineman.

Spike 03-04-2021 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 187985)
QB's. none

RB's. Not on the list but I'd say Mack

WR. Hilton or Golladay on this list Godwin not on the list

TE. Jonnu Smith and not on the list Ertz Doyle maybe

Oline. Villanueva

Defense. Von Miller. Ingram and not on the list Rhodes and Houston


I obviously know they won't sign them all But I think this is a pretty good list

As far as the line Puck, why Villanueva over Trent Williams? Williams is better. My only guess is that Villanueva would be cheaper than Williams, so that might be a better choice and might allow us to sign some of our younger studs. Damn, I would hate to be a fucking general manager! Having said that, I definitely would be better than what the Texans have or have had, even if I did it part time.

WR- I absolutely love Hilton, but maybe it's time to move on from him and sign a bigger receiver. Damn, I hate saying that.

TE- I agree with Jonnu but Cook would be ok too. Hell, I think keeping MAC would be fine. I think we need to keep Doyle and he shouldn't cost that much.

Chromeburn 03-04-2021 10:27 AM

Gabe Jackson is being released. He’s a monster guard. He will be at the top of that oline list.

Puck 03-04-2021 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 187989)
As far as the line Puck, why Villanueva over Trent Williams? Williams is better. My only guess is that Villanueva would be cheaper than Williams, so that might be a better choice and might allow us to sign some of our younger studs. Damn, I would hate to be a fucking general manager! Having said that, I definitely would be better than what the Texans have or have had, even if I did it part time.

WR- I absolutely love Hilton, but maybe it's time to move on from him and sign a bigger receiver. Damn, I hate saying that.

TE- I agree with Jonnu but Cook would be ok too. Hell, I think keeping MAC would be fine. I think we need to keep Doyle and he shouldn't cost that much.

I think Williams is going to be more expensive. I think it will be a stop gap fill anyway as a rookie can hopefully be found in the 1st couple rounds.

There could be some WR drop to us in the draft in the 1st. I think they may add a vet WR. I am also still not counting out Campbell.

I think Wentz uses TE's/RB's a lot to set up the deep ball so I think they will add a good TE there I don't think MAC is in the future unless its a really cheap deal. I also think Burton could be back.

Puck 03-04-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 188000)
Gabe Jackson is being released. He’s a monster guard. He will be at the top of that oline list.

I'm hoping you aren't insinuating grab Jackson and move Q to LT. That would be a horrible move IMO and only do that as an emergency.

Chromeburn 03-04-2021 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 188005)
I'm hoping you aren't insinuating grab Jackson and move Q to LT. That would be a horrible move IMO and only do that as an emergency.

Or maybe have Jackson not supplant our best player, but our weakest on the online? Just a thought.

rcubed 03-04-2021 02:53 PM

My feelings:

Sign Villanueva (or similar) to a 1-2 year deal but still use one of first two picks on OT. Maybe pick #2 since its supposed to be deep draft for OTs. Also this lets rookie learn under a good vet since they say sometimes it takes OL a bit of time to acclimate.

They will resign rhodes, but look to draft a corner in later rounds.

They will bide their time and watch market for TE, possibly another CB.

Look to add a solid-to-top WR without overspending. If not, resign TY assuming he is not priced out.

Other pick of first 2 picks that doesnt go to OT will be DL.

Chromeburn 03-04-2021 02:59 PM

Usually what Ballard does is he rounds out the team as much as he can with FA. He will test a couple top flight FA he likes, but they usually get out bid. Then he can go more BPA in the draft.

apballin 03-04-2021 06:57 PM

Pass rusher has to be addressed, need someone that can run down Allen and Mahomes type QBs. The difference in the playoff game was Allen running circles around our defense

YDFL Commish 03-04-2021 08:34 PM

I'm an advocate of bringing in a veteran OF like Veldheer, who performed well for us, and drafting a LT early.

I wanna have options.

Puck 03-05-2021 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 188051)
I'm an advocate of bringing in a veteran OF like Veldheer, who performed well for us, and drafting a LT early.

I wanna have options.

He only comes out for the playoffs.

Ironshaft 03-05-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 188021)
Usually what Ballard does is he rounds out the team as much as he can with FA. He will test a couple top flight FA he likes, but they usually get out bid. Then he can go more BPA in the draft.

There are not many teams out there with cap space to "outbid" anyone this season. Sure, the top 10-15 free agents will get multiple offers but once those guys are past, there is just not enough cap space out there to pay premium prices on good to solid players.

rcubed 03-05-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 188093)
There are not many teams out there with cap space to "outbid" anyone this season. Sure, the top 10-15 free agents will get multiple offers but once those guys are past, there is just not enough cap space out there to pay premium prices on good to solid players.

We may see a larger number of short term deals so that players can get the bigger payday they seek when the cap goes back up in a year or two.

HoosierinFL 03-05-2021 06:50 PM

I suspect we don't sign a LT, but plan on drafting one. But a RG could be an option in free agency (but I could also see us drafting a guard).

Allen Robinson at WR is an interesting case. His last 2 years in Chicago he put up some pretty good stats despite having Trubisky as his QB. And you know that Reich likes tall receivers. 6'2-3" isn't huge, but still taller than average for WR.

I'm curious about Shaquil Barrett. Dude had 20 sacks in 2019. But I don't know if he would translate to the Colts defense, his numbers jumped tremendously going from Denver to Tampa, probably because he was a better fit in Bowles' weird 3-4 D.

Dam8610 03-05-2021 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 188043)
Pass rusher has to be addressed, need someone that can run down Allen and Mahomes type QBs. The difference in the playoff game was Allen running circles around our defense

Azeez Ojulari would be great for that if Trent Williams was signed or the Colts are comfortable with a 2nd round OT like Liam Eichenberg.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 188102)
I suspect we don't sign a LT, but plan on drafting one. But a RG could be an option in free agency (but I could also see us drafting a guard).

Allen Robinson at WR is an interesting case. His last 2 years in Chicago he put up some pretty good stats despite having Trubisky as his QB. And you know that Reich likes tall receivers. 6'2-3" isn't huge, but still taller than average for WR.

I'm curious about Shaquil Barrett. Dude had 20 sacks in 2019. But I don't know if he would translate to the Colts defense, his numbers jumped tremendously going from Denver to Tampa, probably because he was a better fit in Bowles' weird 3-4 D.

Expect Robinson to get tagged.

Shaq Barrett is going to get (over)PAID by some team, I hope it's not the Colts. I'd spend my cap dollars on Yannick Ngakoue, Bud Dupree, Carl Lawson, and/or Romeo Okwara were I pursuing pass rushers in FA.

Lawrence Owen 03-05-2021 08:34 PM

Just remember, The colts have 40-ish mill in cap space, and a CB1, LDE, RDE,LT and maybe a WR to fill.

All of these positions are expensive, and they absolutely need to extend Leonard and Smith before the end of the year! (Don't want either to hit free agency...)
You can fill 1 or 2 positions with the draft...maybe, if they hit. But still not as much money to go get top dollar Free Agents as people think.

I bet Ballard uses the team cap market (Only 8 teams have $30 mil or more to work with this year, and 7 are in the negatives) to get good players on frugal 1-2 year deals...

apballin 03-05-2021 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 188107)
Azeez Ojulari would be great for that if Trent Williams was signed or the Colts are comfortable with a 2nd round OT like Liam Eichenberg.



Expect Robinson to get tagged.

Shaq Barrett is going to get (over)PAID by some team, I hope it's not the Colts. I'd spend my cap dollars on Yannick Ngakoue, Bud Dupree, Carl Lawson, and/or Romeo Okwara were I pursuing pass rushers in FA.

Carl Lawson seems like a great fit and Ballard type guy. I’d love to get that dude

Racehorse 03-06-2021 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Owen (Post 188112)
Just remember, The colts have 40-ish mill in cap space, and a CB1, LDE, RDE,LT and maybe a WR to fill.

All of these positions are expensive, and they absolutely need to extend Leonard and Smith before the end of the year! (Don't want either to hit free agency...)
You can fill 1 or 2 positions with the draft...maybe, if they hit. But still not as much money to go get top dollar Free Agents as people think.

I bet Ballard uses the team cap market (Only 8 teams have $30 mil or more to work with this year, and 7 are in the negatives) to get good players on frugal 1-2 year deals...

Say it again for those in the back.

YDFL Commish 03-06-2021 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 188107)
Azeez Ojulari would be great for that if Trent Williams was signed or the Colts are comfortable with a 2nd round OT like Liam Eichenberg.



Expect Robinson to get tagged.

Shaq Barrett is going to get (over)PAID by some team, I hope it's not the Colts. I'd spend my cap dollars on Yannick Ngakoue, Bud Dupree, Carl Lawson, and/or Romeo Okwara were I pursuing pass rushers in FA.

Liam Eichenberg in the 2nd would be an awesome addition. I could definitely see the Colts going that way. That would me we could get top Edge, CB, WR or TE in the 1st.

omahacolt 03-07-2021 10:52 AM

i think we should

1) bring back hilton. i don't think he will be that pricey

2) sign a pass rusher. lawson or that dude from the lions

3) mid range vet tackle. draft lt in 1st or 2nd

4) hopefully get rhodes but be prepared to let him walk

Dam8610 03-07-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 188145)
i think we should

1) bring back hilton. i don't think he will be that pricey

2) sign a pass rusher. lawson or that dude from the lions

3) mid range vet tackle. draft lt in 1st or 2nd

4) hopefully get rhodes but be prepared to let him walk

1) Hilton can stay or go. WR is once again pretty deep in this class, similar to last year when the Bills got Gabriel Davis in the 4th. I'd draft one and hope Parris Campbell's freak injury luck has run out.

2) There are 3 DEs to replace. I'd sign at least two (even if one is a resign). It might even be best to sign 3 given the current market and a not incredibly strong DE class.

3) Not sure what you mean by "mid range vet tackle", but I'm guessing you mean Alejandro Villanueva or Russell Okung. If the Colts are going stopgap, I'd prefer Trent Williams, but either way spending a 1 or 2 on a OT in a deep OT class would be smart.

4) I would expect the Colts to do something at CB in free agency, whether it's bring back Rhodes or sign another vet. My guess is Rhodes comes back or follows Gannon to Philly. If it's the latter, I'd expect the Colts to go after another guy like Rhodes was last season, maybe Patrick Peterson, Jason Verrett, or Ronald Darby. I hope they go after Shaq Griffin, but I think that's unlikely.

I think we'll learn a lot about the Colts draft strategy by what they do in free agency.

Chromeburn 03-07-2021 04:22 PM

https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl...yers-available

Top 101 FA

Spike 03-07-2021 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 188157)

Great list, my only issue is that I would have ranked many of those players differently.

Spike 03-07-2021 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 188147)
1) Hilton can stay or go. WR is once again pretty deep in this class, similar to last year when the Bills got Gabriel Davis in the 4th. I'd draft one and hope Parris Campbell's freak injury luck has run out.

2) There are 3 DEs to replace. I'd sign at least two (even if one is a resign). It might even be best to sign 3 given the current market and a not incredibly strong DE class.

3) Not sure what you mean by "mid range vet tackle", but I'm guessing you mean Alejandro Villanueva or Russell Okung. If the Colts are going stopgap, I'd prefer Trent Williams, but either way spending a 1 or 2 on a OT in a deep OT class would be smart.

4) I would expect the Colts to do something at CB in free agency, whether it's bring back Rhodes or sign another vet. My guess is Rhodes comes back or follows Gannon to Philly. If it's the latter, I'd expect the Colts to go after another guy like Rhodes was last season, maybe Patrick Peterson, Jason Verrett, or Ronald Darby. I hope they go after Shaq Griffin, but I think that's unlikely.

I think we'll learn a lot about the Colts draft strategy by what they do in free agency.

I like Williams too, but damn, how much is he going to cost?

JAFF 03-07-2021 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 188160)
I like Williams too, but damn, how much is he going to cost?

A lot. What difference does it make? The Colts need a LT, I doubt the can find one at the Dollar General. I havent a clue about Ballards value system on players, but he does have a good running game and a LT will go along way in protecting a QB.

And Tampa Bay proves what we already know. Protect your QB and knock down the opposition QB. The Colts need DEs. I would bet that WRs and LBs will be sacrificed to sign or draft replacements.

Spike 03-07-2021 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 188163)
A lot. What difference does it make? The Colts need a LT, I doubt the can find one at the Dollar General. I havent a clue about Ballards value system on players, but he does have a good running game and a LT will go along way in protecting a QB.

And Tampa Bay proves what we already know. Protect your QB and knock down the opposition QB. The Colts need DEs. I would bet that WRs and LBs will be sacrificed to sign or draft replacements.

It makes a hell of a lot of difference. We have studs we have to pay in the next year or two. We have more than a few holes to fill this year. As much as I like Williams, we can't pay the mother fucker as much as he is projected to ask for.

Dam8610 03-07-2021 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 188160)
I like Williams too, but damn, how much is he going to cost?

Probably just about what Castanzo would've cost, $16 million in 2021 and a lot more in 2022. I'd sign him and draft someone like Liam Eichenberg or Jalen Mayfield in Round 2 to be groomed for the role and provide stability and depth on the OL in the short term.

JAFF 03-07-2021 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 188164)
It makes a hell of a lot of difference. We have studs we have to pay in the next year or two. We have more than a few holes to fill this year. As much as I like Williams, we can't pay the mother fucker as much as he is projected to ask for.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...es/6877027002/

1. Its all funny money. IF the fans can be back, the cap will jump. You wanna win, its going to cost you

2. Every team has the same problems

3. Its not your money. Its Jim’ and he has never been cheap.

Chromeburn 03-07-2021 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 188160)
I like Williams too, but damn, how much is he going to cost?

Arguably the best LT in the game while recovering from brain cancer? Gonna cost a lot.

apballin 03-07-2021 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 188168)
Arguably the best LT in the game while recovering from brain cancer? Gonna cost a lot.

What’s a lot? What Jim was paying Brissett to be the backup? Imagine that line with Williams at LT good god

Chromeburn 03-07-2021 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 188170)
What’s a lot? What Jim was paying Brissett to be the backup? Imagine that line with Williams at LT good god

20-25 million a year. Baktiari is 23 million. Tunsil is 22.

apballin 03-07-2021 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 188174)
20-25 million a year. Baktiari is 23 million. Tunsil is 22.

Yea that’s too much

Dam8610 03-08-2021 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 188174)
20-25 million a year. Baktiari is 23 million. Tunsil is 22.

Tunsil is an outlier. I don't think he'll get Bakhtiari money because he's 33 and Bakhtiari will be 33 at the end of his current deal. Maybe something like 5/100 with 3 fluff years and most of the guarantees in the first 2 years.

Chromeburn 03-08-2021 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 188178)
Tunsil is an outlier. I don't think he'll get Bakhtiari money because he's 33 and Bakhtiari will be 33 at the end of his current deal. Maybe something like 5/100 with 3 fluff years and most of the guarantees in the first 2 years.

He’s not getting 15 million. Tackles can go into their 30’s and play well. A couple years at 20 million maybe.

albany ed 03-08-2021 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 188174)
20-25 million a year. Baktiari is 23 million. Tunsil is 22.

It's all supply and demand. Which teams besides the Colts have a lot of cap room and a huge need at LT?

Butter 03-09-2021 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 188183)
It's all supply and demand. Which teams besides the Colts have a lot of cap room and a huge need at LT?

Look at the BS contracts being used to kick the cap hit down the road. You can't just look at this years cap when so many GMs are willing to sell the furure in the hopes to keep their job a few more years.

Chromeburn 03-09-2021 04:31 PM

Romeo Okwura will not be tagged by the lions and will hit FA. He could be an underrated option at DE. 61 pressures last year. Tied for fifth in the league.

rcubed 03-09-2021 06:31 PM

Allen Robinson and Godwin tagged.

Hunter Henry and Golladay NOT tagged.


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