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JAFF 12-24-2018 09:58 PM

The Broncos undrafted running back made the pro bowl this year. I'm sorry, but why would the Colts sign Bell when you can get someone younger and cheaper. Like Michael of the Pats. He was the 31st pick.

Mack has done a very good job for the Colts. They have 3 guys who can play, finding another back like Mack who can also catch the ball, you have options, all of which will cost less than one Bell.

Dam8610 12-24-2018 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 100764)
You make a good point about the domino effect that adding Bell would have upon the entire roster of RBs, but can you explain why you disagree with items 1 and 2? Those are the ones that to me are most concerning.

1) Getting the same level of production out of two players as you previously did out of one player illustrates the one player's value to me rather than negating it. For example, if player A produces 16 sacks, then the next year players B and C produce 9 and 7 sacks each, that tells me that if I still had player A, then players A, B, and C would likely all be more effective.

2) Who cares? Even if he peaked at 25, a player's prime is longer than one year, and anyone who would be counting on Bell for more than 3-4 years is foolish.

Chaka 12-24-2018 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 100768)
1) Getting the same level of production out of two players as you previously did out of one player illustrates the one player's value to me rather than negating it. For example, if player A produces 16 sacks, then the next year players B and C produce 9 and 7 sacks each, that tells me that if I still had player A, then players A, B, and C would likely all be more effective.

2) Who cares? Even if he peaked at 25, a player's prime is longer than one year, and anyone who would be counting on Bell for more than 3-4 years is foolish.

Sorry Dam, I see now that I wasn’t clear in my original post. Conner was generating more offense than Bell on his own, then got injured. Samuels came in next and is doing the same. They weren’t doing it at the same time. So my concern is that Bell has been easy to replace, so maybe it’s the offense, not the player.

I do care about whether he’s peaked, not because I was hoping he’d get better, but because he might not be able to deliver what we’d be expecting. We’d be paying $15M+ to a player on the downside of his career, which doesn’t seem wise to me. Take a look at the career stats of some of the great RBs and you’ll see what I mean. I had a link to an article about this in another post.

Puck 12-25-2018 01:40 AM

If it means we don’t have to rely on Mack each week sign me up

HoosierinFL 12-25-2018 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 100759)
I have to believe there is more to it than this one incident and there is probably some truth to that report.

Supposedly he was released in Houston for behavioral issues, same in Tampa, and now Washington. He was cut in Arizona apparently for cap reasons, but it’s telling that he was among their cuts despite being a young player. He has had 4 teams in 5 years, and is looking for his fifth. Is he the only pro bowler to ever be cut mid season? There is def more to this than the one incident. And that’s enough for me to say hell no.

FatDT 12-25-2018 12:15 PM

After reading up on Swearinger I don’t think there’s any way Ballard would even consider it. Wrong mindset for this team, and not THAT good.

Chromeburn 12-25-2018 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 100790)
Supposedly he was released in Houston for behavioral issues, same in Tampa, and now Washington. He was cut in Arizona apparently for cap reasons, but it’s telling that he was among their cuts despite being a young player. He has had 4 teams in 5 years, and is looking for his fifth. Is he the only pro bowler to ever be cut mid season? There is def more to this than the one incident. And that’s enough for me to say hell no.

Yeah, something is up there. I like the chemistry the team has currently. Don't want to throw a poison pill in there next.

Chromeburn 12-30-2018 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 100766)
The Broncos undrafted running back made the pro bowl this year. I'm sorry, but why would the Colts sign Bell when you can get someone younger and cheaper. Like Michael of the Pats. He was the 31st pick.

Mack has done a very good job for the Colts. They have 3 guys who can play, finding another back like Mack who can also catch the ball, you have options, all of which will cost less than one Bell.

Phillips is an outlier though. He is the first to ever do it. We could spend a top 60 pick on a RB. Another guy I kind of like is Josh Jacobs of Alabama, he has been buried under the depth chart some and splits carries but he gets rave reviews by scouts who attend bama practices. He might be around that range and he would have very low mileage coming out of college.

If they signed Bell they could then use all their picks on making the defense better. I don't think there is a right way or wrong way. I do think they need another weapon on offense and some more talent in the defensive line and secondary. Just multiple ways to go about it.

I bet Tevon Coleman is released this year also, might be an option.

DrSpaceman 12-30-2018 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 101370)
Phillips is an outlier though. He is the first to ever do it. We could spend a top 60 pick on a RB. Another guy I kind of like is Josh Jacobs of Alabama, he has been buried under the depth chart some and splits carries but he gets rave reviews by scouts who attend bama practices. He might be around that range and he would have very low mileage coming out of college.

If they signed Bell they could then use all their picks on making the defense better. I don't think there is a right way or wrong way. I do think they need another weapon on offense and some more talent in the defensive line and secondary. Just multiple ways to go about it.

I bet Tevon Coleman is released this year also, might be an option.

Dominic Rhodes was undrafted and in 2001 ran for 1000 yards in basically 10 games or so for the Colts.

Not so rare, even for this team

ALso on a side note........Rhodes only rushed for about 3200 yards in his NFL career. Thought it would be more.

And he was the United Football League offensive player of the year in 2011 for the Virginia Destroyers. They won the title that year, out of 4 teams.

Dam8610 12-30-2018 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 101494)
Dominic Rhodes was undrafted and in 2001 ran for 1000 yards in basically 10 games or so for the Colts.

Not so rare, even for this team

ALso on a side note........Rhodes only rushed for about 3200 yards in his NFL career. Thought it would be more.

And he was the United Football League offensive player of the year in 2011 for the Virginia Destroyers. They won the title that year, out of 4 teams.

Running the ball is not the only job of a RB, especially in this offense. Multidimensional RBs are a lot more difficult to find than RBs who can run the ball well.


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