Originally Posted by Pez (Post 34816)

I agree, Pags didnt cause Moncrief to miss the wide open TD, he didn't cause Doyle's fumble, he didnt miss an extra point.

He has failed to instill a culture of accountability. He's failed to instill a culture that respects and nurtures veteran leadership. He's failed to adequately prepare his team for games, he's failed to adequately manage games, he's failed to accurately weigh risk (the bullshit trick plays). He's failed to take individual talent and mold it into a cohesive unit. He's failed to recognize and nurture talent.

Those are Pagano's jobs, and he is not successful. How can a coach instill a culture of accountability when he is not willing or not able to do his own job?

So no, Pagano didnt cause the ball to slide through Donte's hands. He did create a culture where Donte is not accountable for it, no one will step up and rip Donte's ass for it because there are no such leaders on this team.

Intangibles matter. These are the things that let a team like the Patriots turn UDFAs into superstars.

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 35114)

Yes, we all want Pagano out because he isn't worth a shit. If you and dam can't see that, I don't know what to say to you. If it wasn't for Luck saving his ass numerous times, he would have been fired long ago. He is one clueless bastard on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 35169)

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 34950)

I can understand a guy who will take the opposite side of a debate to make counterpoints for clarity. I do it all the time. However, Dam does not do it right if that is what he is trying to do. He fails to acknowledge any valid points, so he is obviously being intentionally obtuse. Otherwise, he would say that Pagano has flaws, but there are other flaws keeping us from being a contender, too.

My thoughts are that even when we get the ILBs and the younger guys develop, we will still have a HC who cannot win the SB because he is sub-par. That is why you have to move on sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by Pez (Post 35321)

Wait, what?

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 35353)

That IS what I'm saying, however, due to your stated inherent bias, you ignore that fact. Of course Pagano has flaws, every head coach does. I don't like his general offensive strategy or his typical use of offensive personnel. You keep saying he isn't getting the job done, but the reality of the situation is he hasn't been given the roster to get the job done with, and the performance of the rosters he has been given has outstripped their talent level. Isn't that what you look for in a head coach? That's the primary objective of a head coach to me, taking the parts and making the sum greater.