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rm1369 02-27-2023 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 260405)
Find a GM in the NFL better at using draft capital to acquire talent. I'll wait.

I’ve said repeatedly that Ballard is a pretty damn good talent evaluator. Now show me proof he’s good at assembling a team. I’ll wait.

IndyNorm 02-27-2023 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 260390)
Yup the oline failed and that’s his baby. They put Pryor out there and it sabotaged the line. Guy fell on his sword at the end of the season. I’m good with it. He turned it into a top unit in the first place, more than I can say Grigson ever did.

He owned up to it, but time will tell if he actually learned from it or he was just blowing smoke. Hopefully he learned from it b/c I really don't want to see him do any more ricockulously stupid shit like pay your LG like he's a HOF LT (who BTW probably has back problems, but that's another story) and put someone like Pryor next to him.

Dam8610 02-27-2023 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 260407)
I’ve said repeatedly that Ballard is a pretty damn good talent evaluator. Now show me proof he’s good at assembling a team. I’ll wait.

You'll have to wait until after the draft because this is the first time he's had the ability to get his QB. This is his test. Either he gets it right and we'll enjoy another 2000s type of run or he gets it wrong and will likely find himself out of a job in the not too distant future.

rm1369 02-27-2023 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 260403)
Because tanking gets people fired. Players don’t want to do it, coaches don’t want to do it. They didn’t want to do it this year. It took the owner having to take control and sabotage the situation to make it happen. And I’m only half convinced he didn’t do it on purpose. Yeah that’s what happens when you are middle of the pack. Not good enough to win it all, not bad enough to get a top QB.

How pissed would you have been if they sold out to win it all with Carson? You would have been on here complaining that they put the team in cap hell and didn’t even know if the QB was good.

Bull shit. You want to argue that because I criticize something I’ll criticize anything. That is complete and utter BS. It’s a fucking straw man. I shouldn’t be surprised by someone blaming all Ballard’s mistakes on Reich though.

rm1369 02-27-2023 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 260409)
You'll have to wait until after the draft because this is the first time he's had the ability to get his QB. This is his test. Either he gets it right and we'll enjoy another 2000s type of run or he gets it wrong and will likely find himself out of a job in the not too distant future.

I find it strange that Ballard’s ardent defenders would be fine condemning him based off of one bad choice. Hell even I admit this is at best a 50 / 50 shot. I don’t believe Ballard’s tenure should be determined by one draft choice. Especially considering that by Chrome’s reasoning they only even have this shot thanks to Irsay. Ballard wouldn’t have gotten them here to have this choice.

IndyNorm 02-27-2023 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 260389)
It’s possible. Usually when you have these marriages end lots of little tidbits come out in the media. Grigson and Pagano was releasing stuff through different guys. Grigson through Dakich, and Pagano through Holder and the newspaper.

But Reich started Pryor forever. That’s not Ballard. It sucks Kelly was hurt early on, but Pryor didn’t really get benched till Saturday came on. But as Kray said, LTs are hard to find. You pretty much have to draft them. They don’t hit FA in their prime usually. Every guy was a stopgap. And Fisher wasn’t signed till December and I believe has been cut again after doing nothing. So maybe. Reich is an analytics guy and the analytics is why they asked Pryor to play tackle in the first place.

I'm not so sure it was analytics that kept Pryor in the lineup. I think Reich is too nice for his own good and wants to give guys every possible chance to succeed even if they're failing miserably and costing his team wins and (in the case of Pryor) getting other players injured.

And if Ballard understood the importance of LT we never would have been in the position to where we were starting someone like Pryor anyway. As I believe you've agree with, Ballard should have actively went about replacing AC when AC first stated he was considering retirement rather than waiting until he actually retired.

Chromeburn 02-27-2023 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 260410)
Bull shit. You want to argue that because I criticize something I’ll criticize anything. That is complete and utter BS. It’s a fucking straw man. I shouldn’t be surprised by someone blaming all Ballard’s mistakes on Reich though.

I didn’t blame all of Ballard’s mistake on Reich. That’s you taking what I said and reading into it. I asked you to point out what Ballard did that Reich didn’t want and you couldn’t, probably bc no one actually knows. Didn’t stop you from assuming Ballard was doing stuff Reich didn’t like and just running with it.

I think they went about roster decisions together personally. But the depth chart, I think that’s coaching staff territory.

Chromeburn 02-27-2023 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 260406)
Judging a GM by how his team performs is wanting a perfect GM? You are fucking retarded.

Judging him by his tasks, acquiring talent. Acquiring coaches. He’s not running practices or calling plays on game day. Fans like you want to scream about division titles bc you know he is doing well in other areas. So that’s what you talk about.

Chromeburn 02-27-2023 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 260408)
He owned up to it, but time will tell if he actually learned from it or he was just blowing smoke. Hopefully he learned from it b/c I really don't want to see him do any more ricockulously stupid shit like pay your LG like he's a HOF LT (who BTW probably has back problems, but that's another story) and put someone like Pryor next to him.

He was playing at a hof level till this season. If you dont want to pay him then don’t draft him. A rookie OT will help offset those costs along the line. Wouldn’t be surprised if the get a rookie OC as well.

Chromeburn 02-27-2023 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 260411)
I find it strange that Ballard’s ardent defenders would be fine condemning him based off of one bad choice. Hell even I admit this is at best a 50 / 50 shot. I don’t believe Ballard’s tenure should be determined by one draft choice. Especially considering that by Chrome’s reasoning they only even have this shot thanks to Irsay. Ballard wouldn’t have gotten them here to have this choice.

Are you really implying that it’s a negative in Ballard’s book that he didn’t personally engineer their losing season and resulting top five pick?


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