Nope.

It means that it is a program to help develop young men who respect others, have values, serve their community and honor God.

Some folks on this board could have used some of that in their youth.

Walk Worthy,

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Yeah. Alr is pretty damn incorrigible

Among others.....

Walk Worthy,

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That play was a lot more than just a bad decision. It was a bunch of terrible ideas and bad decisions that led to that dumpster fire.

-First off it's the worst designed play in the history of football. Whoever drew it up should have been kicked in the nuts and fired immediately for being so unbelievably stupid.

-They actually wasted practice time on that piece of shit idea.

-He decided to try it against the best prepared and most disciplined team in the league. It still probably wouldn't have "worked" but it would have had a much better chance on a poorly coached, undisciplined team like the Bungles or the Raiders.

-The guy who had practiced not snapping the ball all week was injured and out of the game and replaced by someone who had not practiced it and had no idea what was going on, but dumb fuck Clappy McWoodchopper still decided to go ahead with it.

So while it didn't carry the same consequences that Belicheat's and Carroll's bad calls did, when you add up the amount of stupidity that actually went into it Clappy's was head and shoulders worse than theirs.

That's all a matter of opinion. My opinion is that if Pagano pulled a 2015 AFCCG Belicheat, everyone on this board would be more upset than they were over that play.

That's not support of anything. It's pointing out that literally no coach would ever meet the ridiculously high standard this board sets. Belicheat wouldn't (though I wouldn't want him because he's a cheater). Carroll wouldn't. No coach has ever lived up to the standard this board sets.

You are right.

And no coach has ever lived up to the standard Irsay has set either, which is a team that wins multiple SBs.

And with QBs like Luck and Manning, that is not an unreasonable standard. Lesser teams have done it with lesser QBs, in particular the Steelers and Giants.

And of the last 4 coaches that have been here in Indy, 3 of them IMO have sucked. Pagano, Mora and Caldwell.

Dungy came the closest to meeting the standard. ANd I would say he did. People complained about him, but its hard to argue too much about the results while he was here overall.

So 3 of the last 4 coaches, I would agree, the message board has not felt they lived up to the standard expected, but rightly so. Its a high, but not unattainable standard. ANd it was a standard set by the owner

People bitched about Dungy as well, said his game management and time management wasn't good enough and that he was always "outcoached" (see: outcheated) by Belicheat. Don't pretend the standard here is reasonable or set by the owner, because it is clearly neither of those things when there have been many years that the team has won divisions, conferences, etc. and the owner has indicated satisfaction with his coaching staff where many fans here were completely dissatisfied with the results and wanted rid of the coaching staff. Don Shula wouldn't have met this board's standard.

Does this seem like history repeating itself?

At the risk of repeating things other have already said, I just have to.

*stands on soap box*

From 1998 through today, this team has relied extensively on a star QB to win games with maybe a few (Freeney, Mathis etc.) defensive stars.
If Manning didn't play the assumption was a loss. No quality backup.
If Luck doesn't play, the assumption is a loss. No quality backup.
Sure we have had great offensive talent, but who would throw to them?

Have they not learned?

Not all teams have a good backup, I get that. But not all teams have the caliber of starting QB that we have been fortunate enough to have. So the drop in playing ability is not as severe for them. Those teams are more well rounded.

The new GM may be starting to correct that, it is a long process. But dangit!
Star QB backup up by a no name, low talent, low expectations, hope we never have to play him backup? WTF?

We open against the friggin' RAMS and it is assumed a loss without Luck at QB.

*you can have this soap box back*