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IndyNorm 03-25-2022 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 227272)
I'm not sure how we'll do with getting quality WRs, but I sure as hell hope there are more receiving opportunities for Hines. He is IMO a game changer if used correctly. A modern Lenny Moore.

Getting Hines involved will help, no doubt. But we have 0 WRs on the team outside of MPJ who have 200 yds receiving in their careers. Ballard needs to bring at least 1 vet in and probably 2, and the pickings are getting pretty damn slim. We should be in win now mode and not rely on raw late round draft picks making hug leaps in the offseason. Even if we just bring TY back (saw where he was talking to the Cowboys) that will help.

ChaosTheory 03-25-2022 01:09 PM

Hines was actually tied for #2 on the team in receptions. He and JT both had 40. JT blowing up ate up a lot of his touches. He went from 156 touches to 96 touches the last two years. His per-touch averages were actually better last year which surprised me.

I'm trying to remember off hand... did Hines ever just play straight up slot-receiver at all last year? I know he would line up there, but they would do the motion-sweep/misdirection run. But did he ever run routes from the slot?

Puck 03-25-2022 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 227486)
Hines was actually tied for #2 on the team in receptions. He and JT both had 40. JT blowing up ate up a lot of his touches. He went from 156 touches to 96 touches the last two years. His per-touch averages were actually better last year which surprised me.

I'm trying to remember off hand... did Hines ever just play straight up slot-receiver at all last year? I know he would line up there, but they would do the motion-sweep/misdirection run. But did he ever run routes from the slot?


Hines is a RB. He does not run the whole WR route tree. Not saying he can't learn it. But he is not a slot receiver

JAFF 03-25-2022 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 227486)
Hines was actually tied for #2 on the team in receptions. He and JT both had 40. JT blowing up ate up a lot of his touches. He went from 156 touches to 96 touches the last two years. His per-touch averages were actually better last year which surprised me.

I'm trying to remember off hand... did Hines ever just play straight up slot-receiver at all last year? I know he would line up there, but they would do the motion-sweep/misdirection run. But did he ever run routes from the slot?

Not the worst idea, put him outthere with JT and put Hines in motion

ChaosTheory 03-25-2022 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 227496)
Hines is a RB. He does not run the whole WR route tree. Not saying he can't learn it. But he is not a slot receiver

No, I know. And far be it from me to compare him to Marshall Faulk or even pretend like I'm thinking of something his coaches haven't considered... But I just started wondering after seeing how his touches went down...

He's super fast both straight-line and short-area quickness. He mostly catches out of the backfield, but they also line him up at wide-out and I know I've seen him catch like 10yd digs and stuff like that. I don't remember much out of the slot, though.

IndyNorm 03-25-2022 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 227486)
Hines was actually tied for #2 on the team in receptions. He and JT both had 40. JT blowing up ate up a lot of his touches. He went from 156 touches to 96 touches the last two years. His per-touch averages were actually better last year which surprised me.

I'm trying to remember off hand... did Hines ever just play straight up slot-receiver at all last year? I know he would line up there, but they would do the motion-sweep/misdirection run. But did he ever run routes from the slot?

I'm sure JT blowing up had everything to do w/ Hines rushes being down. It also probably had some effect on Hines' reduction in targets, but I'm sure Wentz ignoring him out of the backfield had a lot to do with it too. Either way, I think we can all agree that Hines needs to be more involved in the passing game this year, and he probably will be with Ryan at QB instead of Wentz.

JAFF 03-25-2022 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 227501)
No, I know. And far be it from me to compare him to Marshall Faulk or even pretend like I'm thinking of something his coaches haven't considered... But I just started wondering after seeing how his touches went down...

He's super fast both straight-line and short-area quickness. He mostly catches out of the backfield, but they also line him up at wide-out and I know I've seen him catch like 10yd digs and stuff like that. I don't remember much out of the slot, though.

When Ballard says “ make the layups” he is talking about Wentz not checking down to Hines or the TEs. The offense production changed when wentz wouldnt take a 7 yard gain on a flair to Hines and screw up a pass down field into coverage

omahacolt 03-25-2022 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 227245)
I don't believe covid had anything to do with costing us in the end. Personally, that's just an excuse I can't and won't buy. We had a shitty QB and it killed us, plain and simple. But you are not alone on this covid excuse, there are many others.

something seemed off the last couple weeks and that was when they all got hit with covid. i can see where the dots are connected


i just chalk it up to piss poor leadership of the players

Oldcolt 03-25-2022 07:47 PM

I think a ton of blame for Hines last year is on Wentz. The best thing I heard from Ryan in his press conference is that he sees himself as a facilitator for his teammates. I took it to be like a point guard, seeing your teammates success as yours. I think he gets the ball into the hands of playmakers like Hines, makes it a priority. I’m hoping for a much more complete offense with this guy leading. Rose colored glasses in March, I know.

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A year and-a-half after this heavily-posted thread was started, the author of this article ponders what the Kansas City Chiefs would look like today had Chris Ballard remained on-board there and been hired as their GM instead of taking over the Colts' job in January of 2017.



The Alternate Reality of Chris Ballard as Chiefs General Manager

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