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Racehorse 03-15-2019 06:43 AM

My issue with signing top free agents is two-fold. First, they typically get paid more than they're worth because they are highly sought after. Second, you have fewer years left of them playing well. Couple those two, and it usually doesn't pan out. Occasionally, it does, but it is more like 50/50, with a much higher price tag than a draft pick. Granted, draft picks are often 50/50 and need a learning curve, but the ones you hit on could be around much longer than any free agent.

Racehorse 03-15-2019 06:44 AM

On a side note, I do not want the NFL to become a mercenary league like the NBA is now. That game is hard to watch!

DrSpaceman 03-15-2019 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 113348)
On a side note, I do not want the NFL to become a mercenary league like the NBA is now. That game is hard to watch!

The players run the league in the NBA

In the NFL the owners still have most of the control.

I agree I like the NFL system better.

Luck4Reich 03-15-2019 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 113348)
On a side note, I do not want the NFL to become a mercenary league like the NBA is now. That game is hard to watch!

Very very true!

I will say I enjoy watching the Pacers continue to win without a star. They beat Paul George and Westbrook and the Thunder last night.

Plus watching Lebron and the Lakers miss the playoffs is pretty damn funny too.

Brylok 03-15-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 113348)
On a side note, I do not want the NFL to become a mercenary league like the NBA is now. That game is hard to watch!

I pretty much stopped watching after the Pacers lost to the Lakers in the 2000 finals. Seen a handful of games since. Still no championship for the Pacers... almost 19 years now. Never gonna win one.

Chaka 03-15-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 113335)
With a true franchise QB in place turn arounds don't take long. Its the single most important factor in winning. We've seen that now twice. If the Colts didn't have Luck I'd be much more on board with Ballard's approach..

That's funny, because I'm kind of the opposite (again). While I absolutely agree that a franchise QB is the key piece, without Luck I'd probably be more in favor of looking shorter term because it doesn't seem to me that teams without a franchise QB really have long, dominant periods. So in those circumstances it might make sense to me to try and make a surge, then to allow the team to reload for a season or two (where they might have a high draft pick to get a QB).

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 113335)
You keep talking about the alternative to Ballard's approach being high priced free agents, but the one I seem to value more than you and Ballard is veteran free agents. Not every player needs to be in his mid twenties.

I really don't disagree with this, nor do I think this is necessarily what the Colts are doing. They did bring in Slauson, for example. I just think that its treacherous to start signing skill position players in their late 20's/early 30's, because those skill sets need to be finely tuned and the stats suggest that they'll be on the downside of their career at that point. Plus you'll probably be paying them based upon performance while they were in their mid-to-late 20's.

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 113335)
I'm not advocating a balls out approach every season and I agree its a matter of degree. My focus would pretty much always be on this year and next. You obviously look much further out. I prefer a higher risk for what I see as a higher reward.

When you have a franchise QB you can have a dynasty. That's what I'm looking for.

Oldcolt 03-15-2019 10:44 AM

I'm not sure that there is any one best way to build a football team. To me, the most important thing is that you have A way, that you understand it and that you do not allow yourself to deviate much,if at all. Ballard/Reich (it is a great thing for this organization that they seem to work as one) have a plan and really seem to know where they want to take this team. So far it has worked about as well as I could have hoped for. One year ago everyone, and I mean everyone, thought we had the least talented team in football. Thru 6 games that seemed to hold (although you could see things, like the offensive line, start to jell if you looked beyond our record), then it started to turn. For the first time in years I find myself being comfortable watching someone who apparently knows what the hell they are doing build this team. I'm really enjoying this build.

rcubed 03-15-2019 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 113363)
Very very true!

I will say I enjoy watching the Pacers continue to win without a star. They beat Paul George and Westbrook and the Thunder last night.

Plus watching Lebron and the Lakers miss the playoffs is pretty damn funny too.

here in LA the local sports media is in pseudo-meltdown mode over the state of the lakers. kinda funny to listen to.

Chromeburn 03-15-2019 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 113369)
When you have a franchise QB you can have a dynasty. That's what I'm looking for.

Would you consider the Peyton led Colts a dynasty?

Chromeburn 03-15-2019 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 113385)
here in LA the local sports media is in pseudo-meltdown mode over the state of the lakers. kinda funny to listen to.

I enjoy it. Entitled fanbase. Sick of all the new Rams fans too. I was walking out of a game this year and some asshat tough guy was pissing on a tree in front of everyone. He saw me giving him a dirty look and tried to start a fight with me.

Oldcolt 03-15-2019 01:34 PM

Back to Funchess for a second. I'm very pleased to see that the 'experts' hate the signing. One guy gave it a D- and another had it as the third worst signing in free agency this year. To me this bodes extremely well for us. I remember D's for Nelson and Leonard being the 'worst" pick in the entire draft. Hoping Funchess reads what a crappy signing he was for us and it motivates him. He is huge, runs nice routes and will make people eat crow (they won't) with the way he is used by our staff here. I repeat, he is a great signing because this staff knows exactly what he brings to the table and knows exactly how they are going to use his skill set. It's no guarantee but it's as close as you can get.

Chaka 03-15-2019 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 113392)
Would you consider the Peyton led Colts a dynasty?

Of course not, we only won a single SB

Chromeburn 03-15-2019 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 113403)
Of course not, we only won a single SB

Yup, unfortunately. That team should have been a dynasty.

FatDT 03-15-2019 02:17 PM

Here is a Tweet about Funchess' contract.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoelAEric...99654080970752

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The details of Devin Funchess’ contract:

$3 million base salary
$7 million roster bonus,
guaranteed

Only the roster bonus is guaranteed.

Possible $3 million in incentives for receptions, receiving yards, TDs, Pro Bowl, All-Pro
Seems to be this is a $7M contract that becomes at least a $10M contract if he isn't cut during the season, with the possibility of becoming up to a $13M contract if he hits some or all of his incentives.

I suppose that is a bit better. But realistically, he's not getting cut. So that money is likely to be earned and it is functionally still a $10 mil contract with $3 mil in incentives.

Oldcolt 03-15-2019 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 113405)
Here is a Tweet about Funchess' contract.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoelAEric...99654080970752



Seems to be this is a $7M contract that becomes at least a $10M contract if he isn't cut during the season, with the possibility of becoming up to a $13M contract if he hits some or all of his incentives.

I suppose that is a bit better. But realistically, he's not getting cut. So that money is likely to be earned and it is functionally still a $10 mil contract with $3 mil in incentives.

We can afford that. May be 2-3 million more than we would have liked but with the amount of cap space we have it's not a huge overpay if an overpay at all

FatDT 03-15-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 113415)
We can afford that. May be 2-3 million more than we would have liked but with the amount of cap space we have it's not a huge overpay if an overpay at all

Yeah. We can afford a lot of things.

Luck4Reich 03-15-2019 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 113393)
I enjoy it. Entitled fanbase. Sick of all the new Rams fans too. I was walking out of a game this year and some asshat tough guy was pissing on a tree in front of everyone. He saw me giving him a dirty look and tried to start a fight with me.

Hes used to being pissed on so thought pissing on that tree would make him feel better... it didnt so he became pissed off.:cool:

VeveJones007 03-15-2019 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 113323)
When Polian first got here he went out and got FA's like Bratzke and Cota to shore up the talent differential. He only went solely to the draft after they signed their star players to contracts and did not have as much cap room. That strategy eventually failed because they were not drafting as well. Would Polian have sat on a hundred million in this case especially after getting spanked in the playoffs?

And after Ballard came on board, he signed Sheard, Hankins, and Simon. Neither went crazy in UFA; they just filled some gaps with short-term fixes.

VeveJones007 03-15-2019 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 113370)
I'm not sure that there is any one best way to build a football team. To me, the most important thing is that you have A way, that you understand it and that you do not allow yourself to deviate much,if at all. Ballard/Reich (it is a great thing for this organization that they seem to work as one) have a plan and really seem to know where they want to take this team. So far it has worked about as well as I could have hoped for. One year ago everyone, and I mean everyone, thought we had the least talented team in football. Thru 6 games that seemed to hold (although you could see things, like the offensive line, start to jell if you looked beyond our record), then it started to turn. For the first time in years I find myself being comfortable watching someone who apparently knows what the hell they are doing build this team. I'm really enjoying this build.

This is all I’m advocating. I’m not going hard against Ballard because his approach can work. And while I would have been more aggressive, I acknowledge that approach is not full proof. If you do either approach well, you’ll succeed.

VeveJones007 03-15-2019 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 113402)
Back to Funchess for a second. I'm very pleased to see that the 'experts' hate the signing. One guy gave it a D- and another had it as the third worst signing in free agency this year. To me this bodes extremely well for us. I remember D's for Nelson and Leonard being the 'worst" pick in the entire draft. Hoping Funchess reads what a crappy signing he was for us and it motivates him. He is huge, runs nice routes and will make people eat crow (they won't) with the way he is used by our staff here. I repeat, he is a great signing because this staff knows exactly what he brings to the table and knows exactly how they are going to use his skill set. It's no guarantee but it's as close as you can get.

That's the key point. Under Pagano's regime, this wouldn't have been a good signing. With Reich and Ballard on the same page, they know exactly how they are going to magnify his strengths.

Luck4Reich 03-15-2019 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 113428)
That's the key point. Under Pagano's regime, this wouldn't have been a good signing. With Reich and Ballard on the same page, they know exactly how they are going to magnify his strengths.

It seems there is good communication between head coach and GM now. Obviously before that wasnt the case at all. The staff as a whole seem more in sync.

And Pagano sucks.

Racehorse 03-15-2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 113392)
Would you consider the Peyton led Colts a dynasty?

If not for some bad luck and a cheating franchise, they easily could have been one.

Luck4Reich 03-15-2019 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 113459)
If not for some bad luck and a cheating franchise, they easily could have been one.

Robert Kraft pays whores.... you know hes paid the refs.
Here's 75k.... call a good game.. thanks!

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-26-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 113436)
It seems there is good communication between head coach and GM now. Obviously before that wasnt the case at all. The staff as a whole seem more in sync.

And Pagano sucks.



Seems Frank Reich wanted Funchess per Zak Keefer:

https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1110565484133376001


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I'm putting this lightly, but Frank Reich is **excited** to get Devin Funchess in his offense. When Chris Ballard asked for his interest in the wide receiver during free agency, Reich basically told him, "Go get him."

VeveJones007 03-26-2019 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 114599)
Seems Frank Reich wanted Funchess per Zak Keefer:

https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1110565484133376001

Rapoport had a quick interview with Ballard on his podcast. Ballard said what he's been saying for a while: with every player they bring in, the Colts have a plan to get them to their ceiling.

Reich knows exactly how he's going to use Funchess and the offense will have an easier picking up tough yards against man coverage this year.

VeveJones007 03-27-2019 07:24 PM

https://www.indystar.com/get-access/...F3279861002%2F

Suffice to say, Reich loves what Devin Funchess offers his offense.

Butter 03-28-2019 07:40 PM

Break down of routes Funchess ran and Luck threw in 18.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2wjpDuXQAAnezq.png:large
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/st...212600320?s=20

VeveJones007 03-28-2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 114902)

Saw that, but didn’t want to make too much of those rates when we’re talking about sample sizes of 10 or fewer targets.

Butter 03-28-2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114905)
Saw that, but didn’t want to make too much of those rates when we’re talking about sample sizes of 10 or fewer targets.

I agree, just found it interesting.

Chromeburn 03-28-2019 10:00 PM

Interesting, out routes are some of the toughest throws to make. Good to have a big receiver to throw it too. Anyone know how he is catching over his shoulder?

Discflinger 03-28-2019 10:44 PM

Why would the receiver be throwing the ball?

Butter 03-28-2019 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 114924)
Why would the receiver be throwing the ball?

Are you simple? It is matching Funchess routes with the routes Luck threw to.

smitty46953 03-28-2019 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 114924)
Why would the receiver be throwing the ball?

He is multi-talented ? :cool:

Discflinger 03-29-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 114922)
Interesting, out routes are some of the toughest throws to make. Good to have a big receiver to throw it too. Anyone know how he is catching over his shoulder?

Apparently you both get confused between "to" and "too", as well. Pfffft...idiots.

Chromeburn 03-29-2019 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 114957)
Apparently you both get confused between "to" and "too", as well. Pfffft...idiots.

Hahaha

JAFF 03-29-2019 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 114957)
Apparently you both get confused between "to" and "too", as well. Pfffft...idiots.

How long have you been here?

Luck4Reich 03-29-2019 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 114973)
How long have you been here?

There is a date in the top right corner.:cool:

JAFF 03-29-2019 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 115009)
There is a date in the top right corner.:cool:

Rhetorical. :rolleyes:

Luck4Reich 03-30-2019 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 115010)
Rhetorical. :rolleyes:

That's nice. You failed to see I was just being sarcastic again lol

JAFF 03-30-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 115011)
That's nice. You failed to see I was just being sarcastic again lol

You didn’t use italics :rolleyes:


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